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Live blog: Floyd Landis to open cycling-themed cannabis shops (+ great PSA from USADA), Neil Campbell sets new European cycling speed record + more
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Simon joined road.cc as news editor in 2009 and is now the site’s community editor, acting as a link between the team producing the content and our readers. A law and languages graduate, published translator and former retail analyst, he has reported on issues as diverse as cycling-related court cases, anti-doping investigations, the latest developments in the bike industry and the sport’s biggest races. Now back in London full-time after 15 years living in Oxford and Cambridge, he loves cycling along the Thames but misses having his former riding buddy, Elodie the miniature schnauzer, in the basket in front of him.
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Rendel Harris 15 minutes ago
@the little onion Yes, I have modified my opinion somewhat in the light of the evidence that came out in sentencing. One would still imagine that it wouldn't have been beyond her just to make an anonymous 999 call to the ambulance service and say there's someone in trouble at such such a location but then I've never been in such a situation and hopefully never will be and there's no accounting for what fear might make us do or not do, I suppose.
chrisonabike 18 minutes ago
@flowboy "expensive cycle lanes rarely n used" ... "colossal expense of public money" ... cyclists without lights or bells ... Bingo? Or should they have eg. "stops them getting in the way of drivers at least" in addition? Painted lanes - ignored by "I'm alright Jack" current cyclists, no reassurance to "I might cycle/ might let my kids cycle but won't currently" types, ignored by drivers (until the paint wears off anyway). So cheap, and also a massive waste of money!
Rendel Harris 26 minutes ago
@dave atkinson In any case, there is no reason a man shouldn't know best about safety for women any more than there is any reason that a woman shouldn't know best about safety for men, an expert is an expert. Whether or not that applies in this case I have no idea but attempting to insinuate that someone has less right to speak on safety issues due to their gender is a pretty weak argument.
Rendel Harris 30 minutes ago
@mdavidford Although it should be noted that pedantry without any qualifier ("A bunch of pedantic points") can only come in greater or lesser quantities, it cannot be served in bunches.
the little onion 36 minutes ago
@Rendel Harris fair. But worth noting that in sentencing a lot of detail came out about how he was intimidating her, making her write a false account on her phone shortly after the event. There is a lot of evidence that she was being threatened by him.
Paul J 42 minutes ago
@eburtthebike The friend is his cousin. The next morning she broke down in work and got her manager to call the police apparently. Though, when she went to the police, she would only read a prepared statement - so it seems she had time to make a pit-stop at a solicitors on the way to the police station. She was initially arrested, but then police changed her status from suspect to witness. She testified against Richardson at the trial.
jaymack 48 minutes ago
There is a straight forward way to begin to address bad drivers. Professionals such as Doctors, Lawyers etc. have to undertake a certain amount of annual post-qualification training. Driving should be the same; X-hours of driving training every so many years. Not completed the hours? Provisional license 'till you've passed a driving test. It would keep driving schools in business and wouldn't just improve standards it would be a constant reminder to those who sit both on juries and in judgment what good driving looks like.
Rendel Harris 51 minutes ago
@jaymack Potatoes are vegetables, chips are made of potatoes, QED.
mdavidford 52 minutes ago
This kind of vegetable: https://www.warwicksbutchers.com/products/vegetable-roll
MountainsofSussex 56 minutes ago
@robgru76 I agree with this take - yes, drivers should pay attention. But they don't, so if you ride dressed in all black with no lights, perhaps don't act shocked if you get hit by a car or a pedestrian walks out in front of you. It's a bit like saying burglars shouldn't rob houses so I'll leave my doors unlocked
18 thoughts on “Live blog: Floyd Landis to open cycling-themed cannabis shops (+ great PSA from USADA), Neil Campbell sets new European cycling speed record + more”
When you go out in high wind
When you go out in high wind with the express intention of capturing kotms, you’re measuring the weather and wind, not your performance.
At least 80% of all KOM’s are
At least 80% of all KOM’s are done if favourable weather of course.
If I target a KOM, obviously
If I target a KOM, obviously I’m going to give myself the best chance of success. For a particularaly difficult segment this may include one or more of the following:
Removing unneccessary gear from my bike and person; checking Google street view for exact start and finish markers; making my attempt when there is less trafic about; waiting for favourable wind conditions!
Who goes out to get a KOM with a headwind?!
I wholeheartedly agree with
I wholeheartedly agree with the family of the cyclist killed and I wish them success. The British justice system is a disgrace!
If you’re targeting a KoM on
If you’re targeting a KoM on anything but the most obscure segment, yes you do have to give yourself the best chance of success. Around here there are some very strong riders so to avoid them hoovering up all the KoMs you have to be ruthless and sneaky.
I wish that family success in their legal action.
Is there any point in
Is there any point in pursuing a civil action if a jury has already acquitted someone? Rightly or wrongly, they have been found not guilty and unless there is any new evidence then surely that is the end of it from a legal perspective?
On a lighter note, all sorts goes on with KOMs… drafting, etc. Lets be honest you are unlikely to take a KOM in a headwind. Fair game I say.
PRSboy wrote:
Yes there is, the standard for criminal prosecution is “beyond reasonable doubt”, i.e. there is no other logical explanation can be derived from the facts except that the defendant committed the crime.
However, civil cases only require “balance of probablities”, which basically means there is >50% chance that the defendent is responsible for the death, even though other logical explanations may be possible. This is obviously substantially lower a burden to prove.
In effect, he could be forced to financially compensate them for any negligance in causing the death, even if the bar for a criminal conviction cannot be met.
FlyingPenguin wrote:
Yes there is, the standard for criminal prosecution is “beyond reasonable doubt”, i.e. there is no other logical explanation can be derived from the facts except that the defendant committed the crime.
However, civil cases only require “balance of probablities”, which basically means there is >50% chance that the defendent is responsible for the death, even though other logical explanations may be possible. This is obviously substantially lower a burden to prove.
In effect, he could be forced to financially compensate them for any negligance in causing the death, even if the bar for a criminal conviction cannot be met.— PRSboy
A good explanation of the difference between criminal and civil cases, to which I would add one further distinction; in a civil case, the decision is made by aa judge, not a jury.
Gail Purcell killed Mick
Gail Purcell killed Mick Mason, killer driver Helen Measures killed Denisa Perinova and Vincent Doyle killed Janina Gehlau. The vehicle of which they were operating killed the cyclist. The courts may not have convicted them of causing death by dangerous/careless driving, but the cyclist was killed by the vehicle they were operating. For me if anything you are doing results in someones death then that must be dangerous, but that’s the law.
To add to the comments above
To add to the comments above – in addition to the standard of proof required it is worth bearing in mind that, for a civil case it will be a judge making a decision – as this is in London and one would assume a high value claim then this will likely to be a High Court Judge or one with similar standing and legal experience – therefore the person tasked with determining if the 50+1% standard has been met will not be a bunch of self righteous motorist incapable of thinking beynd “well it was a dumb cyclist and could have happened to anyone so not negligent/dangerous etc” but instead a highly qualified specialist – now admittedly the “dumb cyclist” view may still be ingrained in that individuals psyche but these are individuals who’s job is to separate a personal opinion from a legal fact – and such finding of fact can be appealed to the Court of Appeal (i.e. even more specialist and experienced).
As can be seen from the OJ case in the use, it is very possible to be guilty “on the balance of probabilities” but not “beyond reasonable doubt” its a 50% vs 95% type of equation.
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Anyone else getting some weird adverts appearing on this site lately, or is it just me?..
a1white wrote:
Isn’t that Celine Dion?
best ad ever
best ad ever
But how are horses supposed
But how are horses supposed to dial the 0800 number? Their hooves are too big for the teeny buttons
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I wonder why you keep posting
I wonder why you keep posting those speed records. It has nothing to do with cycling nor sport.
Maybe if more drivers saw
Maybe if more drivers saw civil action it would make them act more responsibly, especially if the chances of the decision going against you are a lot higher. I hope it sets a precedent, there’s little argument against him driving the vehicle, and being involved in the accident, there were certainly more steps he could have taken to prevent the collision, whether he was guilty of the crime, he was certainly guilty of not doing enough to avoid a collision.
I wonder if Floyd’s Fine
I wonder if Floyd’s Fine Cannabis delivers by hand, internationally, in a sealed jiffy bag?
Looks like someone has had a
Looks like someone has had a bad case of the munchies