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Ok so "nearly hit" is a bit of an overstatement, but now I have your attention....

Travelling to work by car this morning (I know, I know - but it was raining...), I was approaching a set of traffic lights (on green - my right of way), when a cyclist dressed all in black, on a black bike with not a light in sight ambled out across the road. I say ambled as he was in no hurry, despite the cars - this particular stretch of road is a 60 mph limit. 

It was about 8:10 in the morning so not exactly daylight yet but he did have two small reflective patches on his shoulder....

Anyway, a tap of the brakes and the world kept turning. My point fellow readers - is a reminder that self preservation is the order of the day! Remember lights and reflectives on these murky mornings!

Oh, and regardless of who has legal right of way - remember Newtons third law, paraphrased; in a collision, the smaller object usually loses!

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cougie [21 posts] 5 days ago
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I had a pedestrian walk out in front of me as I rode in today.  It was lashing with rain and he couldn't hear any cars so he assumed it was safe to cross.

Luckily I assumed he'd do that so there was no risk to either of us.

Idiots in cars, bikes, on foot  - they are everywhere !

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ChrisB200SX [861 posts] 5 days ago
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"It was about 8:10 in the morning so not exactly daylight yet but he did have two small reflective patches on his shoulder...."
Sunrise was at 07:48 this morning.
"on green - my right of way"
You mean you had priority.

I'm not sure what the cyclist's attire or speed limit has to do with anything, but, cool story bro.

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Freetime101 [31 posts] 5 days ago
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ChrisB200SX wrote:

"It was about 8:10 in the morning so not exactly daylight yet but he did have two small reflective patches on his shoulder...."
Sunrise was at 07:48 this morning.
"on green - my right of way"
You mean you had priority.

I'm not sure what the cyclist's attire or speed limit has to do with anything, but, cool story bro.

 

Nothing really, wear what you want and cycle where you want, bro  1 

The only point to my story is a friendly reminder that in the interests of self preservation - be safe be seen!

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Freetime101 [31 posts] 5 days ago
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cougie wrote:

I had a pedestrian walk out in front of me as I rode in today.  It was lashing with rain and he couldn't hear any cars so he assumed it was safe to cross.

Luckily I assumed he'd do that so there was no risk to either of us.

Idiots in cars, bikes, on foot  - they are everywhere !

Rain never helps - hood up, face down and dash for it!

Whatever happend to stop, look and listen? From all modes of transport!

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Simon E [3474 posts] 5 days ago
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Highway Code Rule 113:

Night (the hours of darkness) is defined as the period between half an hour after sunset and half an hour before sunrise).

Rule 126:

Drive at a speed that will allow you to stop well within the distance you can see to be clear.

Rule 146:

Adapt your driving to the appropriate type and condition of road you are on. In particular

- do not treat speed limits as a target. It is often not appropriate or safe to drive at the maximum speed limit
- take the road and traffic conditions into account. Be prepared for unexpected or difficult situations, for example, the road being blocked beyond a blind bend. Be prepared to adjust your speed as a precaution
- where there are junctions, be prepared for road users emerging
in side roads and country lanes look out for unmarked junctions where nobody has priority
- be prepared to stop at traffic control systems, road works, pedestrian crossings or traffic lights as necessary

Rule 147:

Be considerate.

- try to be understanding if other road users cause problems; they may be inexperienced or not know the area well
- be patient; remember that anyone can make a mistake

Rule 163:

take extra care at night and in poor visibility when it is harder to judge speed and distance

(although this is the rule for overtaking it should be applied in all conditions)

Rule 170:

Take extra care at junctions. You should watch out for cyclists, motorcyclists, powered wheelchairs/mobility scooters and pedestrians as they are not always easy to see. Be aware that they may not have seen or heard you if you are approaching from behind

Rule 204:

The most vulnerable road users are pedestrians, cyclists, motorcyclists and horse riders. It is particularly important to be aware of children, older and disabled people, and learner and inexperienced drivers and riders.

Rule 205:

There is a risk of pedestrians, especially children, stepping unexpectedly into the road. You should drive with the safety of children in mind at a speed suitable for the conditions.

(N.B. this is not an exhaustive list)

Freetime101 wrote:

regardless of who has legal right of way - remember Newtons third law

Very clever </sarcasm> but remember - you don't own the road! There are silly people on the road (the majority of them inside motorised vehicles) but if YOU bear in mind the above rules then it should not be difficult for you to deal with the scenario you described.

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alansmurphy [1946 posts] 5 days ago
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Freetime101 wrote:

 

Nothing really, wear what you want and cycle where you want, bro  1 

The only point to my story is a friendly reminder that in the interests of self preservation - be safe be seen!

 

You saw him/her, so much so you had time to check out their bike and attire and adjust your seed accordingly.

 

So... what was the point again?

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Freetime101 [31 posts] 5 days ago
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I think perhaps my point has been missed... nevermind...

I had no difficulty in dealing with this mornings scenario, but it's a situation that as a cyclist I would try and avoid where possbile. I'm not the only driver on the road and there are many stories out there of cyclists coming off worse on the road and I'd rather not add to it, from either side.

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don simon fbpe [2700 posts] 5 days ago
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alansmurphy wrote:
Freetime101 wrote:

 

Nothing really, wear what you want and cycle where you want, bro  1 

The only point to my story is a friendly reminder that in the interests of self preservation - be safe be seen!

 

You saw him/her, so much so you had time to check out their bike and attire and adjust your seed accordingly.

 

So... what was the point again?

Eye bleach, please????

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Simon E [3474 posts] 5 days ago
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Freetime101 wrote:

I think perhaps my point has been missed... nevermind...

I had no difficulty in dealing with this mornings scenario, but it's a situation that as a cyclist I would try and avoid where possbile. I'm not the only driver on the road and there are many stories out there of cyclists coming off worse on the road and I'd rather not add to it, from either side.

Another road user caused you to use your car's brakes. I can't work out what you want us to say or do. There is surely no-one here who ambles across a 60mph road without looking or does not use lights when they feel appropriate, even well beyond the times indicated by the HC (mine were in use until 8:30 this morning and I'm no fan of daytime lights).

Do you post this kind of thing on car forums every time someone pulls out on you, overtakes on double white lines, tailgates you, goes through a light as it changes to red etc etc etc?

Thought not.

If you're just venting then you'd be better off writing to the letters pages of your local newspaper, they love that kind of thing, or Twitter.

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hawkinspeter [2761 posts] 5 days ago
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That doesn't sound like anyone that I know of. Good luck trying to find him though.

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Freetime101 [31 posts] 5 days ago
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Fair enough, my bad - consider this thread abandonned....

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Shades [439 posts] 5 days ago
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You can 'lump' cycling without lights/reflectors in with ignoring red lights, cycling up one-way streets etc. It's not really 'helping the cause' when (some) motorists are anti-cycling and looking for any reason to point the finger.

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hawkinspeter [2761 posts] 5 days ago
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Shades wrote:

You can 'lump' cycling without lights/reflectors in with ignoring red lights, cycling up one-way streets etc. It's not really 'helping the cause' when (some) motorists are anti-cycling and looking for any reason to point the finger.

Was he in Kensington/Chelsea, as that might be allowed (and I definitely wouldn't know him if he's from around there): https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/parking-transport-and-streets/getting-around/cyc...

Possibly also Cambridgeshire: https://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/residents/travel-roads-and-parking/tra...

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alansmurphy [1946 posts] 5 days ago
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don simon wrote:
alansmurphy wrote:
Freetime101 wrote:

 

Nothing really, wear what you want and cycle where you want, bro  1 

The only point to my story is a friendly reminder that in the interests of self preservation - be safe be seen!

 

You saw him/her, so much so you had time to check out their bike and attire and adjust your seed accordingly.

 

So... what was the point again?

Eye bleach, please????

 

I was looking to start a helmet debate!

 

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Morgoth985 [158 posts] 5 days ago
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The pitchforks are out today!  Maybe I’m easily taken for a ride (so to speak) but I got the impression that our OP friend was actually a cyclist who on this particular occasion happened to be driving, and was offering friendly advice.  The Highway Code quotes would seem to be at least arguably satisfied by the fact that he did in fact see the cyclist in time and reacted accordingly; nonetheless it sounds like the cyclist hasn’t done himself any favours.  Whilst I agree we shouldn’t bear anywhere near the duty of care that motorists should, due to the balance of risks etc, that doesn’t mean we have no responsibility at all.

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hawkinspeter [2761 posts] 5 days ago
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Morgoth985 wrote:

The pitchforks are out today!  Maybe I’m easily taken for a ride (so to speak) but I got the impression that our OP friend was actually a cyclist who on this particular occasion happened to be driving, and was offering friendly advice.  The Highway Code quotes would seem to be at least arguably satisfied by the fact that he did in fact see the cyclist in time and reacted accordingly; nonetheless it sounds like the cyclist hasn’t done himself any favours.  Whilst I agree we shouldn’t bear anywhere near the duty of care that motorists should, due to the balance of risks etc, that doesn’t mean we have no responsibility at all.

I'm going to need to know how to find him though to pass the message on.

Was he from around Bristol?

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don simon fbpe [2700 posts] 5 days ago
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Nearly hit a cyclist this morning!

In all fairness, there's one or two 'round here where a bit of a slap would do no harm.

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alansmurphy [1946 posts] 5 days ago
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Morgoth, but as some of the sarcastic (or not) responses point out, when we here the daily incidents of a mass pile up on the M6 it rarely tells us whether people went above and beyond the requirement.

 

"7 people killed in mass pile up on M6 after a black car, without reflective wheel trim, travelling below the average speed of 20mph above the limit collided with another vehicle that could be seen containing an occupant wearing black jeans and no hat" 

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don simon fbpe [2700 posts] 5 days ago
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alansmurphy wrote:
don simon wrote:
alansmurphy wrote:
Freetime101 wrote:

 

Nothing really, wear what you want and cycle where you want, bro  1 

The only point to my story is a friendly reminder that in the interests of self preservation - be safe be seen!

 

You saw him/her, so much so you had time to check out their bike and attire and adjust your seed accordingly.

 

So... what was the point again?

Eye bleach, please????

 

I was looking to start a helmet debate!

 

No! No! No! No! No! No! No! Fingers in ears! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! That's not working. No! No! No! No! Fingers in eyes!

 

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LastBoyScout [496 posts] 5 days ago
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Saw another example of your ninja cyclist going the other way to me this morning - all in black, on a black bike, with hood up, no lights, in the rain.

Couldn't help thinking "Muppet!" - would be quite easy for someone to miss them in the spray and cause another statistic.

I find it so hard to comprehend why people don't use lights when decent ones are so cheap and widely available.

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CygnusX1 [1075 posts] 4 days ago
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A muppet ninja? Think I know who you are looking for...

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Yorkshire wallet [2363 posts] 4 days ago
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His point is pretty easy to get unless you're one of the non-driving cycling militia. 

We keep hearing about drivers should be ready to do this and that but how about cyclists get ready not to do stupid shit whilst dressed like ninja's. 

Seems to be some strange onus or heirarchy of attention that must be paid. 

Drivers - pay attention at all times, have ESP and the ability to predict the future 

Motorcyclists - still pay attention but filter as fast as you want and be ready to be in the right when someone changes lanes as you 120 between them. You're vulnerable and must be treated as such....even at 120. 

Cyclists - you're smaller and will rarely kill anyone apart from yourself so you pretty much can do what you want unless you're riding a fixie. Ideally you should be wearing hi-viz, have lights and be sober but any or all of those above can be ditched and anything that happens to you probably won't be your fault. Drunk though a railway crossing....sad and tragic, trains need to slow down. 

Pedestrians - do what the hell you want. Best form is to never break eye contact with a mobile phone and think about hazards for even a second. You have the moral highground, so off you go....."pedestrians have the right of way" THAT'S THE  LAW YEAH!

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Duncann [1441 posts] 4 days ago
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I think the OP's self-stated point "a reminder that self preservation is the order of the day" is fair enough. 

We know that others don't always honour their Highway Code obligations to preserve us from their two tonne tin cans, so it's sensible to take some basic precautions, even if not legally-required.

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JackBuxton [47 posts] 4 days ago
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Goodness, more people should jump down OP's throat and quick! How dare he post a light hearted safety reminder for those that may need to reconsider their attire for riding in low-light/low visibility conditions!!!!!!!

If cyclists want to stop being victimised for no apparent reason, stop treating others the same f*****g way, otherwise no progress will be made

 

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Griff500 [312 posts] 4 days ago
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Freetime101 wrote:

I think perhaps my point has been missed... nevermind...

I had no difficulty in dealing with this mornings scenario, but it's a situation that as a cyclist I would try and avoid where possbile. I'm not the only driver on the road and there are many stories out there of cyclists coming off worse on the road and I'd rather not add to it, from either side.

I think your point was well made, the only mistake you made was suggesting on this site that a cyclist did something wrong. You should know by now that this is against the site rules.  

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ktache [1016 posts] 4 days ago
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Earlier this evening, as I was crossing the Caversham bridge, whilst on the bollard protected cycle route, I saw a small red 4x4 coming the other way, in the middle lane, who had no lights on, not even day light running lights, bit of an older car.  He appeared to be lighting up what I took to be a cigarette.  I think he put his headlights on when I mentioned it to him.  It was not an Audi and no one got hurt.

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Morgoth985 [158 posts] 4 days ago
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alansmurphy wrote:

Morgoth, but as some of the sarcastic (or not) responses point out, when we here the daily incidents of a mass pile up on the M6 it rarely tells us whether people went above and beyond the requirement.

 

"7 people killed in mass pile up on M6 after a black car, without reflective wheel trim, travelling below the average speed of 20mph above the limit collided with another vehicle that could be seen containing an occupant wearing black jeans and no hat" 

Yes, OK, I take your point, but I think we are slightly at cross purposes.  I will be the first to agree with you that drivers are crap, the media are crap, the law is crap and the way even the crap laws that we do have are enforced and applied is the crappiest of the crap.

But if it was me, I'd have some lights, I might or might not worry too much about what I was wearing but would probably not go all in black, and I wouldn't be ambling across a road in low light in the rain.  The law and the environment we live in "should" allow this, I agree, but in practice at the moment I don't think it's wise to assume that all drivers will be as alert as our OP.

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Simon E [3474 posts] 4 days ago
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Morgoth985 wrote:

The pitchforks are out today!  Maybe I’m easily taken for a ride (so to speak) but I got the impression that our OP friend was actually a cyclist who on this particular occasion happened to be driving, and was offering friendly advice.

Who needs the advice? The errant individual he encountered, not people reading road.cc.

Pointless posts like the OP's promote the erroneous idea that people who sometimes cycle are a homogenous collective (we are not) and we all need reminding about these things (we don't).

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hawkinspeter [2761 posts] 4 days ago
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Simon E wrote:
Morgoth985 wrote:

The pitchforks are out today!  Maybe I’m easily taken for a ride (so to speak) but I got the impression that our OP friend was actually a cyclist who on this particular occasion happened to be driving, and was offering friendly advice.

Who needs the advice? The errant individual he encountered, not people reading road.cc.

Pointless posts like the OP's promote the erroneous idea that people who sometimes cycle are a homogenous collective (we are not) and we all need reminding about these things (we don't).

That's why we need to find this errant cyclist. Unfortunately, no-one's telling us where this happened.

Also, don't forget about the physicists that need reminding about Newton's Third Law - they get so bogged down with relativity/quantum mechanics that they forget about the much easier to use approximations. Though why that is here on a cycling forum is puzzling.

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peted76 [1208 posts] 4 days ago
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Simon E wrote:
Morgoth985 wrote:

The pitchforks are out today!  Maybe I’m easily taken for a ride (so to speak) but I got the impression that our OP friend was actually a cyclist who on this particular occasion happened to be driving, and was offering friendly advice.

Who needs the advice? The errant individual he encountered, not people reading road.cc.

Pointless posts like the OP's promote the erroneous idea that people who sometimes cycle are a homogenous collective (we are not) and we all need reminding about these things (we don't).

 

I disagree, the OP raises an issue. Yes it's an obvious issue and one which regular readers of this site most likely will not need reminding of. 

However I believe it is worthy of a post and or a discussion. If only to open this up from us, to other non road.cc readers by proxy.

I too almost hit a cyclist the other day to my horror! It was dark, raining and the cyclist was a yoof on the road with no lights, dressed in dark (black?) clothes with his hood up. My immediate thought was that I'd have hardly noticed if he'd bounced off my front off-side wing, but it'd could have been life threatening for him. 

It's not just me a bit shaken by it, happens all too often and people get hurt. It's an issue, which we in a local cycling club are trying to address, we're currently in the process of sourcing some of those cheap front and rear led light sets offa China. We are hoping we can get them in bulk for less than a quid each a set, the idea is that we'll buy a load with our club 'dues' and contact some local secondary schools, with the police, to hand them out to kids who cycle. 

It won't stop the issue, but it should get some people thinking and it might just stop an accident happening. (The police near us did something similar a couple/few years ago).

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