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Rose Xeon CDX 3100 Di2
It's here at last !! I will update this thread again once I've had chance to put some mileage on the bike, this is really my experiences of it arriving and setting up.
Firstly for completeness I should say that I placed my order on the 3rd June and it arrived on the 18th August.
Delivery. Rose ship the bike via DHL in Germany, but then it is handed off to ParcelForce in the UK. You watch the website to find out when your delivery date will be and once PF have it they do not give any delivery estimates / updates, so you must simply wait in all day until it arrives.
When the bike arrived it had shifted in the box. The rear hub was no longer against the small protective pad which it must have started its journey against and had left a big impression in the side of the box. There seems to be no damage to the hub. The right brake covers were also imbedded in the side of the box and covered in dust from wearing against it. A damp cloth has removed all the dust and the remaining damage is very small. Finally the plastic spacer (I assume) designed to fit in the front disc brake callipers had fallen out and was in the bottom of the box. This is worrying as the brake levers are shipped fully depressed and cable tied.
On unpacking everything a few things strike the novice bike builder (me!). There is a manual for every component part (so a big pile of manuals). There is a no "quick setup guide" for idiots for my specification of bike. There is a big bag of spare parts which was split open.
Due to there being no idiots guide I used the Rose book and the dummies video on the website. However the video doesn't mention Disc brakes on a road bike, Thru Axles or Di2. The later isn't even mentioned in the Rose guide at all. I suspected in advance that this might be an issue so had emailed Rose to make sure everything was covered, I was assured it was all dead easy and fully covered by the instructions.
First issue was putting the front wheel on. The video / web assume you have QR on a road bike. All Thru Axle fittings I'd seen / used previously have a "flick" close mechanism like QR does, however these DT SWISS do not, after finding the manual for Wheels this confirmed that they simply twist tight ! Job done. Both wheels spin totally true and there's no rubbing from the brake calipers during my testing.
Next task was the disc brakes. After releasing the levers and fitting the front wheel they seem to work correctly. I do notice that there is a very small space between the Rotors and the Forks (1 or 2mm) and hope that as these become very hot this won't be an issue. There's also a fair amount of travel (levers) before the brakes bite, but I have nothing to compare against and haven't actually ridden it fully yet.
Then the big one. Di2. I obviously had not managed to connect the battery as the system was dead. Let me explain that there's actually nothing telling you that you need to connect the battery or how to do it, but I knew the battery was in the seatpost and the wire hanging out of the bike seemed logical to fit into the post. This time I had to call Rose. Got through to someone in 5 minutes and they explained that everyone with a Di2 bike calls them with this issue (!) and my attaching the battery with my fingers wasn't good enough I needed to use the tool. A tool I couldn't find (searched everywhere). All very good service and they offered to send me a new too.
So. Plan B. Bike into the car and over to the LBS. They quickly attached the battery very firmly with fingers and you heard it click home. Di2 fully operational! I simply hadn't forced it hard enough in because I'm new to this and Di2 components might be fragile and expensive. Whilst at the LBS I also purchased and had fitted the Shimano wireless Di2 transmitter. Very neat job ! The LBS explained that the tool wasn't much use for connecting the battery because the cable used on the connector was very thick and later I found the tool in the bottom of the box / doh !!
Back home and immediately the Di2 transmitter paired with the Garmin 1000 and displayed the information. Flawless ! Note the Di2 software was already current enough and didn't require updating to do this, which is a common issue. However I noticed that the Di2 is not setup correctly in terms of knowing the gears fitted. So it thinks it has a 53 / 39 up front (Compact actually fitted) and thinks that the rear cassette is off a TDF day on the flat not my 11-32, this probably doesn't make any difference to the workings and very few people would ever care or notice. Something people might care about is that the Di2 battery level is 40% (the Garmin reports it) so if not charged in a few weeks you risk running to 25% and the FD locking onto the small ring.
So now it's setup and ready to go - I hope. Although I may well nip down to the LBS again before I ride it far to make sure everything is as it should be. I would have done this last night, but they were all looking to go home.
How does it look ? Beautiful. But please beware that this is a Raw Carbon finish. Not a Matt painted uniform finish. So it looks mean, industrial and very cool. I'm not sure if I can imbed pictures here but will look into that later if anyone is interested.
So, after 1 day and no riding I'm relieved it's all delivered, setup and now looking forward to seeing how it rides. Sods law it's set to raid tonight !!
If anyone finds this vaguely interesting please let me know and I'll post more / if you have any questions ask away.
If you're new please join in and if you have questions pop them below and the forum regulars will answer as best we can.
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Its a long wait.... your F5 key will be pressed alot...
Woo Hoo!, mine has been shipped and is on its way. Watching the DHL tracker will be fun. Really should be out on my current bike but it's a bit (very) wet at the moment. Might have a beer instead
I think I'm reverting to childhood, not been this excited in ages.
My 'problem' wasn't a problem.
With disc breakes the breake force is released on the hub; the fork has to have a bit of flexibility.
Well mine has finally arrived. Looks absolutely terrific in the flesh. Has a quick run out and apart from a little brake squeal it runs beautifully. The front brake bracket is the one that stands out (the one everyone else seems to have rather than the one on the website), I've e-mailed Rose to see why and if I can change it (I've a feeling its because the front is fitted with 160 rotors but we'll see). ParcelForce managed to get it to me without damage and I'm now the owner of a substantial box, surprised how little actual packing Rose use but it seem to work. They included a bottle and cage which was nice but I could not find the tool which is supposed to be used for connecting the battery (I just pushed it in until it clicked with my fingers). Also got a Rose mug which is a bit small but will do for the garage. Overall very impressed and you can't complain about the value.
Happy bunny
Spoke too soon, I thought the brakes felt different (well they would being discs), just realised that I specified front brake on the left (checked my order confirmation), guess what, front brake is on the right. Can't be arsed to send back so might try to see if they will pay to have it changed locally.
Great to hear the wait is over and the beast has arrived. Although that does mean that mine is now ever so slightly less exclusive. As long as though there aren't 2 in the same county at the same time I guess it's ok.
The brake squeal is likely to go away after a short while of use, probably just got something chemical on the discs. When I gave mine it's first good clean, I degreased the rear cassette / chain and some vapour must have made it to the rear rotor as it squealed badly for 5 miles after.
Sorry to hear about the brake mix-up. By default the Front brake will be on the left as that's the European standard. But you can specify to have it on the right (UK Standard) by selecting the option during purchase. I ticked the box and my Front Brake is therefore switched to the right. Hopefully you can get it sorted.
Keep looking for that Di2 tool, took me half an hour to find mine.
Been out today and the brakes seem to be a non issue (I adapted very quickly). I've decided to swap my other bike to match (cable so easy to do). Rose came back and said they will pay for it to be done or I can send it back and they will do it (so to be fair they have done everything I would have wanted). So pretty impressive support. The squealing has stopped and the brakes seem to be getting progressively stronger as they bed in.
As others have said the bike feels very quick, steering must be good because I did not really notice it, just went where I wanted to go. I thought the Kit Carbonio saddle might be a bit harsh but once again it must be OK as I did not feel it. Completely different shape to the Arione on my other bike but just as comfy. The flat top to the bars are also a brilliant choice, together with the gel tape they make a very nice easy to use cockpit. Di2 is a revelation but still not quite used to the button locations (only to be expected as my other road bike is Campagnolo with a thumb button).
The Di2 tool is definitely not in there
, I've ordered one in case I need one.
In the bag there were some interesting bits of plastic which had me wondering. Fortunately they has reference numbers which turn out to be for pipe clamps to use in a vice when trimming or putting inserts into the hydraulic pipes.
I've also got a bag of 4 rubbery tubes about 30mm long with a slit running from end to end. They obviously go over a wire or something but I have not yet figured out what they are for. The German on the packet says 'Kabelhuellenueberzug' whatever one of those is (does not seem to translate). I'm sure they are not that important but I'm glad I've got a bag of them just in case
Mine shipped with a bag of Jagwire cable protectors, tbh I only needed one for the Rose (rear hydraulic cable) so the others went on my other bike
I also looked up the translation of that on Google
bit of a road test by Marcel Wust here http://bike-channel.tv/film/test-rennrad-rose-xeon-cdx-rennrad-mit-disc-...
Finally got fed up with the ugly bracket holding the post mount front brake. Got a flat mount and swapped over. I think it looks much better. Will keep old calliper as a spare as I'm not planning on changing the rear (looks OK as is). The pads are different so the old ones will go on the back whenever they wear out. The swap is easy providing you have the relevant bleed kit and a new olive and insert. The brake line needs to lose about 3 inches off its length and looks much neater as there is hardly any on show at the bottom of the fork leg.
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For that they may be interested, a link to the Bikeradar forum and a page dedicated to Rose
http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40044&t=12988016
Had this bike for over a year. Would be interested if anyone has ever found a fix to the buzzing front end - drives me nuts on a long ride - pity good bike otherwise
They might be cable frame protectors, like these
http://www.fibrax.com/fibrax-frame-protectors-for-4mm-gear-outer-casing-x-4
I use some spiral Fibrax ones - quite like them, others prefer heli-tape, either work.
Well done
, so in case anyone was wondering a 'Kabelhuellenueberzug' is probably a cable protector noodle thingy.
@BBRAP
You didn't misread my question.
English isn't my mother tongue.
I already tried to adjust the headset without significant aprovement.
But maybe I have the impression that the front isn't stiff and are the front disc pads the issue like you said in your second answer? After work I will inspect the bike more thorough.
Thnx.
I'm a little bit concerned about the fork.
Keeping the front brake pressed and moving the bike forwards the fork vibrates a bit...
Has someone the same 'problem'??
You might need to adjust the headset a little. I'm assuming you are applying the front brake (to lock the wheel) and then rocking the bike back and forth and feeling a knock/vibration. The following link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P4dYsxazTU will show you how to do it. Loads of other tutorials available on YouTube just search for "headset adjustment".
Can't say I've ever tried this. When the front brake is on (whilst stopped) the front wheel doesn't move. When braking on the road I don't get any noises / vibrations that cause me reason to worry.
Sorry Frans, I misread what your issue was. I think what you are experiencing is the front disc pads having not fully bedded in yet. I had the same issue with my Van Raam Tandem trike (front hydraulic discs). Once the pads were fully bedded the vibration ceased (took about 2 or 3 hours riding for it to stop).
Not sure what the bar to PSI conversion is; I've got 23mm Conti GP4000 II on mine, I weigh 63kg and run mine at 80psi front, 90psi rear.
1 bar is 14.503psi so 80 psi is 5.51 bar and 90psi is 6.20 bar.
HTH
Not sure what the bar to PSI conversion is; I've got 23mm Conti GP4000 II on mine, I weigh 63kg and run mine at 80psi front, 90psi rear.
Cheers,
Same tyres, but 25mm version. I weigh around 74Kg and run the pressures at 110 - 115 front and rear (7.5 - 8 bar).
6 bar stil to much for my 66 kgs.
Over cobblestones max 5,2 bar?!
He is here my new bike.
Looks even better then on image. Did a first small ride. Is he comfortable?
Yes he is but my old bike (Cube Agree GTC) is that also.
I started today with 7 bar in both 25 mm tires; too much! Tomorrow I start with 6 bar.
The bike has 2 cm spacers. I only kept 0.5 cm and the stem is upside down. This for a more racy position.
I will keep you all informed...
Thursday. Bike shipped on Tuesday.
DHL tracker says: 'The shipment has left the import parcel center in the destination country (Belgium)' today on 13:57.
Hopefully tomorrow. So I can do a first ride this WE.
Fingers crossed for you
Mine is now one week away according to the system. Original date on the confirmation e-mail was 9th Oct so looks like could be spot on.
Did the l'Etape London 115 miles on Sunday and again the bike was a dream.
The power transfer and gear change is phenomenal, when I needed a burst to get past some other riders it always seems to respond perfectly.
On the drops with my head down the bike feels really efficient at maintaining a fast speed especially on the flats.
Still feel excited about going out riding 4 month after getting the bike.
It was an answer over email.
I ordered a 55 cm but changed the default stem (9 cm) to 11 cm. Also the stem has a more sportive position (upside down). I ride for almost 10 years on a cube agree gtc with 172.5 cranck length. My new bike has also 172.5 mm crancks.
I'm very curious... This will be my second race-bike ever ....
Matt. Good choice !
Delivery next week means that it's now made and waiting for the courier to take it away. Are you sure that's the case ? Sometimes Roses's website is misleading, I only trusted the responces over email from their team.
I regret not ordering it earlier. But seriously if I had to go back and choose another bike right now then I honestly believe I'd choose the same bike in the exact same specification, that's the biggest recommendation I could give.
Matt and just received mail from Rose. My bike will be deliverd next week!!!
I like this !!!!! I also like the wheater forecast for next week !!!
I'll keep you all informed.
No regrets so far of your purchase?
Mines just changed from 'being prepared for assembly' in two weeks to
'in backorder' in approx 3 weeks.
Ho hum!
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