A judge has said that cyclists and dog owners both “have a sense of absolute entitlement” as he allowed an appeal in a case brought after a bike rider won £50,000 compensation after a Cocker Spaniel ran into his path, causing him to crash and sustain a brain injury.
Publishing executive David Crane, aged 71, was thrown over the handlebars of his bike when he hit the dog belonging to investment banker Carina Read, 49, on Acton Green Common in West London in March 2016.
> Cyclist left with brain injuries when dog ran into his path wins court case
Ms Read has now been given leave to appeal against the judgment, by Judge Alan Saggerson, reports Mail Online.
The judge said: “We all know that cyclists whether on path, road or common, have a sense of absolute entitlement to do whatever they want to do and we all know that dog owners also have a similar sense of entitlement to do exactly what they want to do irrespective of anybody else.
“It’s quite a conundrum.”
Mr Sanderson had sued Ms Crane for negligence, as well as being in breach of the 1971 Animals Act for failure to control her dog.
In October last year, Judge Patrick Andrews refuted Ms Read’s defence that since her dog was not “dangerous,” it was not subject to the provisions of the act, and said that she should have restrained it.
The act provides, among other things, that where an animal that does not belong to a dangerous species causes damage or injury, its keeper may be held liable for injury or damage.
“After considering all the facts and evidence, I find that on the balance of probabilities, in failing to call back Felix, which she clearly had time to do, Ms Reid exposed Mr Crane to risk of injury,” the judge said.
Mr Crane, who was riding to work when the crash happened, had said in evidence: “The first time I was aware of the dog was when it was right in front of me.”
He sustained what his lawyer told the court was a “not insignificant brain injury,” which has affected his concentration, hearing and memory, as well as his senses of taste and smell.
Ms Read’s barrister, Nigel Lewers, had insisted that his client believed the path was clear when she threw the ball for Felix, and that it had bounced off his head.
“At that point, she became aware of Mr Crane cycling at speed with his head down,” although the plaintiff insisted that he was riding at no more than 5mph.
“She tried to warn him, but Felix chased the ball across the path and was struck by the front wheel of the bicycle,” Mr Lewers continued.
“She was doing what she and no doubt many others had done in the same or similar areas of the common – throwing a ball for her dog down an open strip of grass and not in the direction of the path.”
But Judge Andrews said that Ms Read should have restrained her dog, adding, that Mr Crane “had no time to take any evasive action when Felix ran across his path.”

102 thoughts on “Judge says cyclists – and dog owners – “have a sense of absolute entitlement””
“We all know that cyclists
“We all know that cyclists whether on path, road or common, have a sense of absolute entitlement to do whatever they want to do and we all know that dog owners also have a similar sense of entitlement to do exactly what they want to do irrespective of anybody else.”
Is this something judges are expected to rule on? Whether cyclists or dog owners are overly “entitled”? Is there any legal relevance? Does the judge also have any opinions on old people, women, poor people, gingers, or immigrants that he’s also sure “we all know” to be the case? Not fit to be a judge.
How many 71-year-olds bike to work “at speed” with their heads down?
And we all know that judges
And we all know that judges who hold opinions like this shouldn’t be allowed to serve as judges any more.
That is nothing compared to
That is nothing compared to what a judge said to me fairly recently (nothing to do with cycling and, fortunately, not a final ruling). But good luck trying to find anyone to hold a judge to account.
Absolutely spot on. So many
Absolutely spot on. So many bike riders assume that they have the god given right to do what they like. I ride with them. Same with dogs. Sadly it is many times worse in the cities.
Just because you don’t like what some one says it doesn’t make it wrong.
What the judge believes some
What the judge believes some/many/most cyclists do and believe should have no bearing on the facts of this case. This case should be about whathappened in this incident.
Did this cyclist feel overly entitled? did this dog walker feel overly entitled?
You have this muddled. It’s
You have this muddled. It’s not a case of not liking something and therefore it’s wrong. We don’t like it because it is wrong.
Tinbob49 wrote:
No you have this muddled, this is a case about what happened in this event, not a case to decide whether dogs should be kept under control or cyclists should be allowed to ride through the park. What cyclists as a group do is irrelevant.
If the judge had commented that THIS cyclist was entitled expecting to ride through the park without considering unexpected actions fro children or dogs and THIS dog walker was entitled allowing the dog to run free heedless of cyclists using the path nearby. I wouldn’t take issue.
But the judge is projecting his opinion of the actions of all cyclists and all dog walkers into this case, which is the very opposite of impartial. Whether he doesn’t like cyclists because they are entitled, or whether he feels they are entitled because he doesn’t like them is not material to what happened here in this event.
Was the dog under control? Did it cause injury due to not being under control? was there contributary negligence from the cyclist?
It is wrong, though.
It is wrong, though.
Anyone who thinks that riding a bike or owning a dog in itself bestows certain characteristics on people is a prejudiced idiot.
BikeJon wrote:
You can’t leave us hanging like that! Spill!!! 😉
andystow wrote:
At the time of the incident, Mr Crane’s excuse for riding at walking pace was that “I was very overweight and cycling fast was not something I did. I was 18 stone at the time.”
It’s therefore possible, infact likely, that the man simply didn’t see the spritely Cocker Spaniel. This wasn’t because the dog wasn’t visible, or due to negligence on the owner’s behalf, but because Mr Crane’s bulbous belly protruded out into his field of vision. This would also explain why the lady thought the man’s head was down; it may have simply been hidden behind his balloon-like paunch.
I hope the appeal judge investigates this line of enquiry as a matter of priority.
You being ever so courteous
You being ever so courteous again?
Stone me, you’ve changed your
Stone me, you’ve changed your name AGAIN?! What is that, your sixth new username? You do know that everyone knows this, as your username for all your previous comments is changed too? The joke that is you gets less funny by the day.
Rendel Harris wrote:
— Rendel HarrisNo; his funniness stopped completly five iterations ago.
Rendel Harris wrote:
Why? Did you say “Jehovah”?
TheBillder wrote:
Stone me
— TheBillder Why? Did you say “Jehovah”?— Rendel Harris
No doubt it was a particularly fine piece of halibut…
TheBillder wrote:
Stone me
— TheBillder Why? Did you say “Jehovah”?— Rendel Harris
You just did – get him!
Rendel Harris wrote:
That a fake beard?
Jesus christ, that level of
Jesus christ, that level of prejudice displayed , considering the outcome of this case in particular.
What a
Captain Badger wrote:
But since he appears to be prejudiced against both parties, don’t they cancel out each other?
eburtthebike wrote:
I thought ‘Cancel Culture’ was meant to be a Bad Thing, though.
eburtthebike wrote:
Nah, bigot squared.
Your blasphemy is pretty
Your blasphemy is pretty insulting. Not sure why you felt the need to throw that into your statement
Rua_taniwha wrote:
It’s a very common expression of surprise here in the UK, so I’m pretty sure it wasn’t meant to insult.
(More importantly, I now can’t read “taniwha” without thinking of the Wellington Paranormal episode and I’m now wondering if that was at all blasphemous to the Māori.)
hawkinspeter wrote:
Whatever. Just don’t call him a cretin; some people get very wound up about that.
eburtthebike wrote:
True. I can only aspire to achieve the quiet dignity of those given intermediate yet finite bans on popular social media platforms for the use of ableist pejoratives, but if I reach for the moon, who knows, I might just grasp a star.
Hm. Life goals….
Blasphemy? Did I die in the
Blasphemy? Did I die in the night and wake up in the 17th century in a new body (Quantum Leap goes to the witch trials, that type of thing)?
bobbinogs wrote:
Don’t forget long-bow practice after church on Sunday. See you in the butts.
Rua_taniwha wrote:
Guessing you’re a Christian…so in a world full of cruelty and starvation and pain and misery and injustice you’re going to get upset at someone blaspheming (in a way that most Christians I know frequently do, incidentally)? Jesus H.Christ on a bicycle.
Why the insults? Have I
Why the insults? Have I offended you?
Rua_taniwha wrote:
How have I insulted you? I’m asking why a Christian would make an issue out of such a minor thing when there are a billion and one more important things to be addressed.
You doubled down on the
You doubled down on the insult. I can be interested in cycling and world hunger at the same time.
Rua_taniwha wrote:
Sorry you feel that way. But well done for focusing on the nub.
Out of interest who gave you ownership of the term, and how does your claim outweigh mine?
Again, it’s possible to focus
Again, it’s possible to focus on more than one thing at once. So both the main story, and the insulting language. You are of course free to speak how you want. For example you could go into Brixton and shout racial slurs and claim no one has ownership of such words. Or maybe just accept that some words you might use are insulting to others and it’s easy to moderate your language in a public forum
Have any of your comments so
Have any of your comments so far been anything to do with the article, or have they all been you having a go about the Captain’s alleged blasphemy? (All he said was that that piece of halibut was good enough for …)
Which church denomination are you, anyway, and in what country? Its been a very long time since I’ve seen anyone take offence at what is, in the UK, a common sweary expression.
Catholic. One post to say the
Catholic. One post to say the term is offensive. The rest are in reply to others asking questions or suggesting I couldn’t be offended and interested in cycling both at the same time.
I apologise to you on his
I apologise to you on his behalf – you were completely right to call out his Christianophobia.
Garage at Large wrote:
I don’t think you can do that without consent…
Rua_taniwha wrote:
Except that the only person who said anything even vaguely similar* to that was brooksby, in the post immediately before this one. That just seems to be a strawman you’ve invented.
[* brooksby didn’t actually say that – just asked if you’d posted anything related to the article – but you could read it as implying that.]
Rua_taniwha wrote:
Nobody said that. I asked why with so much wrong in the world (and particularly in your own abuse-riddled church) you would bother getting offended by such an unimportant issue.
Rua_taniwha wrote:
Racism and blasphemy are not regarded as equivalent either socially or legally, however much you wish they were. We’ve had nearly two millennia of coercive control of thought and speech by religion, we don’t need that resurrected, here or anywhere, thanks.
Rendel Harris wrote:
Racism and blasphemy may not be equivalent, but both race and religion are protected characteristics under the Equality Act. I also think it’s an over-reaction to get offended by some saying ‘Jesus Christ’ in the way you did; however, I’m not sure it’s helpful to re-use a term which someone has said they find offensive. At the risk of sounding like our Nigel, it’s not very courteous.
Steve K wrote:
In fairness to Rendel, I think I was the original blasphemer (on this thread at least….)
Religion is protected under the act as a practice or characteristic. However religious ideology is not protected. In any case I certainly don’t believe that this falls anywhere close to that, as Rua or their community has not been singled out, harmed or discriminated against by my post.
This, as Rua has mentioned themselves, is an objection against blasphemy, otherwise summed up as “You can’t say that, it’s against my religion”.
Captain Badger wrote:
I don’t disagree with that. However, I do think if someone says “I find that term offensive” then to use it again (or for someone else to use it) without a good reason is rather unnecessary, whether or not you agree that the term is offensive.
Steve K wrote:
Interesting points, and certainly a sound code of conduct.
Would it be fair to demand another person modify their everyday behaviour or language to suit you (where it is not objectively offensive*, harmful or otherwise discriminatory) without also providing a demonstration of good reason supporting the demand?
* clearly I accept that offence is subjective by its nature. However the term Jesus Christ is commonly used in literature, (religious or otherwise), everyday speech, in church, out of church, across the media. It is not taboo by any stretch of the imagination.
Rua_taniwha wrote:
No, you showed no interest in teh story.
You still have failed to explain how the words Jesus Christ are insulting, to you or anyone for that matter
And that of course is where the matter should end…
oh
Are you seriously conflating pointed use of poisonous, derogatory slurs that were initially coined with the sole aim of dehumanising, invalidating and enabling the enslavement of entire groups of people based on the colour of their skin…
…with the general use of a neutral pair of words that are freely used by most people that have been brought up in a culture imbued with the ideologies surrounding those words?
Really?
No, I’ll not “accept”. You explain why words that are as much part of my culture as yours are owned by you, and how their neutral use can in any real way hurt or harm you. Or Him for that matter…..
Very well said, Cap’n.
Very well said, Cap’n.
“Thou shalt not take the name
“Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain”. Ring any bells? Anyway, I’ve apologised, let’s move on as this isn’t a healthy topic of conversation.
Garage at Large wrote:
Ah, yes, Exodus 20:7. One of the versions of the ten commandments of the Judaeo-Christian tradition. Which does of course refer to the name of ‘the Lord’/Yahweh/Jehovah and not Jesus.
However – if you’re saying that applies to everyone regardless of their belief, does that mean everyone else’s commandments apply to everyone too? No more representation of human figures, cows as representative of the sacred, no hot dog buns on a Friday, that sort of thing?
Garage at Large wrote:
So those who choose to live by the rules of that superstition can follow that one if they like. If that Lord isn’t thy God, one has no duty in that regard.
There are several problems with rules against blasphemy. Countries which have them enshrined in law tend to be repressive dictatorships, dressed up to a greater or lesser extent as theocracies. It is pretty easy to detect the use of Christianity and other religions as a systems of social control. Blasphemy laws are commonly used to enforce this, either by the state or less formally. Murders have been committed in many countries using blasphemy or apostasy as a pretext.
There’s also an assumption inherent in blasphemy that the deity you are trying to protect, usually one of the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and exclusive ones (there’s a choice of these), is so insecure that even a mention of their name wounds deeply.
The reality is that those who take offence at blasphemy are assuming that it is an attack on their belief system, and they are hence on the defensive.
I believe that cycling is a wonderful way to reduce climate change, stay fit, make friends and enjoy my surroundings. You can tell me that it’s awful, I’m an idiot lycra-ist and shout “Sir Chris Boardman” as an epithet. I’ll think you are wrong and argue against the idea. But I will not think that merely saying those words should be punished, nor that you have uttered a terrible insult, because I am secure enough in my belief to know that you are just wrong.
Hmmm….
Hmmm….
first of all, I am dreadfully sorry to hear about Mr Crane’s injuries and i hope for his fullest recovery.
secondly the thing about him being thrown over the handlebars then saying he was only going ‘no more than 5mph’ doesnt quite make sense.
To be thrown over the handlebars as claimed he would have been going at quite a speed otherwise the laws of physics and gravity wouldnt of carried his body over the handle bars when his bicycle came to an abrupt stop when hitting the dog.
Worst case scenario is he would have toppeled over to one side and maybe hit the floor if he couldnt stick his foot down in time to steady himself but definitely not over the handlebars.
Ive been over the handlebars once before and almost one other time. So know about the amount of speed/energy that one person has to be carrying to be flung like that.
my walking pace is between 3-5mph, I probably jog at 5-8mph. When i stop abruntly in the middle of a jog or walk. my body doesnt get thrown into front somersault or barrel roll because the amount of energy and speed that I generated isnt enough to keep carrying me forward.
Even abruptly, there is the ever so smallest chance that i might topple over ever so because my feet are too close together. but 5mph doesnt turn me into a complete ragdoll.
So I think someone is telling porkies.
70 year old, not likely to be
70 year old, not likely to be agile, likely to be a slow reactor, hearing not as it was.
Brakes too hard, loses control and goes forward over the bike as it falls under him. Seems pretty plausible to me.
RoubaixCube wrote:
Have you never tripped over a raised paving slab when running?
Tripping over a raised paving
Tripping over a raised paving slab isnt like hitting a wall
RoubaixCube wrote:
no, but is it like hitting a medium sized dog with your front wheel?
wycombewheeler wrote:
Not really, last I checked dogs weren’t drilled into an immovable position in an object that weight c. 5.9 x 10^24 kg so that when you hit a dog, the dog moves/ absorbs some momentum too rather than throwing you an abrupt halt.
He tripped over a dog, why
He tripped over a dog, why are you writing about a wall?
As I put in the original thread my MiL has sustained breaks at a speed of 0-1 mph.
This is what easily happens with older folk.
RoubaixCube wrote:
It is. Just at right angles….
RoubaixCube wrote:
Not necessarily. Bike stops on contact with dog, rider doesn’t. Even at 5 miles an hour if their centre of mass is now over the bars, there’s only one way for them to go. Physics satisfied, no need for a review of relativity.
Were they travelling at exactly 5mph? dunno, who knows? How would that be demonstrated to any degree of certainty? does it actually matter? If what they mean is “I was going facking slowly” and they were going less than 10 I really don’t think splitting hairs on estimates or figures of speech is particularly relevant.
Captain Badger wrote:
I see an inelastic collision here, momentum is conserved.
Assuming bike and dog each weigh about the same at 10kg a piece, and the dog is stationary at impact, the speed of the bike-dog combo will be half the original speed of the bike. So the assertion that the bike stops dead is incorrect.
So far we have ignored the rider, as if he were perched on a zero-grip saddle and he had no purchase on the handlebars, and sailed on at his original speed frictionlessly parting company with the bike braking beneath him.
This seem unlikely. In practice there is friction from the saddle, and he has a grip of the handlebars, so his momentum is part of the equation. Therefore the retardation of the bike upon impact with the hapless dog is reduced yet further.
Sriracha wrote:
Possibly. Cycloid’s response further reminded me of a situation I found myself in heading up Dunkery Beacon on my MTB. I was in teh lowest gear poodling up the hill – would have been around walking pace. Stone fixed under front wheel, and I really can’t give the physics to this, but my weight shifted forwards, rear wheel gracefully lifted off the ground (I remember I kept pedalling for some reason…). I went right over teh bars, ended up on my back with bike on top – thankfully no lasting pain though.
Try to explain that using Newton’s laws….
The ballistics that happen in
The ballistics that happen in a collision are extremely complex.
I recently came off after hitting a small potohole
I hit the road at a bad angle and separated my collar bone from my shoulder blade.
After three months I am still in pain and have limited movement.
I estimate I was doing about 8mph, I think the pothole turned my bars through 90 degrees sending me over the bars.
Collisions are Totally Unpredictable
RoubaixCube wrote:
So I think someone is telling porkies.
— RoubaixCubeThe problem is you haven’t looked at what happens when you stop from speed when jogging; you extend one foot in front of you to stop; if you didn’t do that, you would fall forward. Bit difficult to do on a bike.
Are you part of that corrupt nation that the PM keeps claiming doesn’t exist?
Purely anecdotal of course,
Purely anecdotal of course, but in my many years of cyling, the crashes that have resulted in the worst injuries (with one exception involving a tree!) have actually been ‘slow’ ones! Less sliding, more impact!
Prejudiced judge. It should
Prejudiced judge. It [i]should[/i] be an oxymoron, but apparently not. Clearly the Bar was set too low for some.
At first, I also thought that
At first, I also thought that judge was a judgemental c8nt. But isn’t he just saying “we’re all c8nts, just as bad as each other?”
Daveyraveygravey wrote:
Nah, just dog owners and cyclists….
Bad luck.
Bad luck.
An accident.
Things happen.
Sounds like nanny state bullsh@t to me.
As a cyclust myself I’m sick and tired of being tarred with the tw@t brush because, if we’re honest, too many cyclists are exactly that: tw@ts.
I see so many cyclists being obstructive band ridiculous when out riding that it breaks my poor, little, teeny, tiny heart.
Just like seeing all the near-miss posts where a cyclist then gets into all sorts of problems because they ride after the culprit and cause a physical, face to face ‘conversation’ because they can get it in camera.
The poor, innocent cyclist fella has fallen off his bike and been horribly injured in a freak accident where a poor, innocent dog walker has been walking her dog. An accident. That’s all.
This smells too much of world gone wrong and lawyers and money for money’s sake to me.
Maybe dog Walker should have been mindful of the cyclists in the area in which she was walking her dog.
Maybe the cyclist should have been more aware of the dog-walking area in which he was cycling.
Have some dignity, have some pride and have some common sense instead of an eye upon financial gains from misfortune.
£50k is hardly financial gain
£50k is hardly financial gain worth a brain injury. It’s clear that you already have one, but how much would someone have to pay you to take another which left you with noticeable effects to your concentration, hearing and memory, as well as your senses of taste and smell?
You must have missed that
You must have missed that this is a civil case.
The rider ended up with a brain injury and at his age needs compensation for the costs he incurred and the likely higher future costs he will incur as a result of the injury.
That’s why people take out insurance for accidents (or in this case negligence).
Rawstron1 wrote:
6 posts in and you’re already coming out with this shit?!?
Back in my day fuckwit trolls made an effort. Gentlemen they were, they’d at least post a dozen of normal posts or so then talk troll…sad times…
Yes, even Nige makes a token
Yes, even Nige makes a token effort at making one in fifty of his posts about cycling gear. The way this one’s come in at 100mph makes one think it’s probably a PBU taking up where they left off.
EddyBerckx wrote:
The Nigelov Garageski bot may have spawned. The AI learning files don’t always map across, so it can take time for it to build up the sense of being credible or having a ‘tone of reason’ cloak. Sometimes they launch straight in without building up a background history.
Perhaps you should offer your
Perhaps you should offer your services to the court as you clearly know exactly what happened and all the circumstances that led up to it?
Rawstron1 wrote:
If you find yourself frequently tarred with the tw@t brush, it might not be cos you’re a cyclist. It might just be because you are, in fact, a……well, y’know…..
Not likely you’ll spout these
Not likely you’ll spout these views
if you, or your family member, were similarly injured in similar circumstances and, no doubt, end up eating your own words.
Perhaps you may suprise us and
forgo any claim or compensation offered to you?
Projectcyclingfitness wrote:
It seems like anyone could be seriously injured cycling “less than 5mph” which is this chaps argument along with “its not my fault I didn’t see the dog”.
So first up, how many time on this forum have we lambasted drivers using the latter excuse? That everyone seems to assume that not seeing an obstacle is perfectly reasonable as long as you’re a cyclist this rather whiffs of a double standard.
Secondly, I struggle to believe that an impact at less than 5mph would be capable of flinging him over the bars (or leaving him unable to stop). Have a little ride a long at less than 5mph and see how easy it is to put you’re foot down and stop.
It seems pretty clear that he either a) wasn’t looking or b) was going substantially faster than 5mph. (and we shouldn’t rule out both). That doesn’t mean he wasn’t wrong but lets not pretend this chap’s s**t smells like roses just because this is a cycling website.
How is it that you know where
How is it that you know where the dog came from?
The dog could have come from any direction and he may not have been able to hear it coming nor see it until it was too late. You write as though he is travelling along a road with obstructions in the distance he should see.
Plenty of scenarios where you are going at the speed you can see is safe but you cannot accommodate things coming into the road from the side.
maybe you would have avoided this one
https://road.cc/content/news/video-deer-jumps-across-road-and-crashes-cyclist-287179
Seems the dog caused him to lose control and he fell off – quite plausible for an older person.
hirsute wrote:
Can’t speak for everyone, but I learned that at school
When a mummy dog and a daddy dog love each other very much, they sometimes give each other a special cuddle….
I thought it came from the
I thought it came from the shop window, it had such a waggly tail.
Who let it out, though?
Who let it out, though?
AlsoSomniloquism wrote:
Woof woof
Captain Badger wrote:
How is it that you know where the dog came from?
…..>— Captain Badger Can’t speak for everyone, but I learned that at school When a mummy dog and a daddy dog love each other very much, the sometimes give each other a special cuddle….— hirsute
Totally irrelevant but one of my favourite Noel Coward quotes: his goddaughter asked him what that doggy was doing to the other doggy, and he said, “Oh, the doggy in front has just gone blind, poor thing, so his friend is pushing him to St.Dunstan’s [home for the blind]”.
In her words, the cyclist
In her words, the cyclist travelling at speed with his head down hit her dog. Yet I’m pretty sure she never offered vets evidence about the damage her dog had from being struck at considerable speed. However, in his evidence (from original articles) he actually came off when he turned his wheel and braked suddenly to avoid the dog. So how about trying at 5-6mph turning your front wheel almost sideways when braking at the same time and see what happens. I do think he might have been doing more then 5mph, however I’m also aware that when I’m doing 7-8mph in a shared space, I feel slow but I “zoom” past peds so they would feel I’m zooming. Without Strava or bike computer, they probably could both be “right” in their speeds estimates.
Edit: I will also point out that their original defence was that he shouldn’t have been riding there because of bylaws stating no bikes. Unfortunately for them, that didn’t apply to Acton Green Common but a nearby similar sounding park. So if she did nothing wrong and it was all the cyclists fault, why try a desperate and apparently totally wrong defence.
I fell off my bike hopping up
I fell off my bike hopping up a kerb and broke both arms. I was doing less than 5mph. If I’d hit my head it might have been worse.
Rawstron1 wrote:
I tOo aM cYclUSt. Bike go brrrrrrrm!
That’s what we’re all picturing right?
There We Are Then.
There We Are Then.
I’m pretty sure I have a
I’m pretty sure I have a sense of entitlement not to be put at risk by the careless actions of others whatever my mode of transport or activity. Likewise I accept my own responsibilities to avoid harming others. Accidents happen, mistakes are made, most of the time a polite “Sorry” fixes the transgression but occassionally the fates conspire to make what might have been a trivial incident a million other times into something where someone suffers harm or financial loss. The law provides a process to ask for recompense and be entitled to that claim if justified and reasonable.
If you own a bicycle or a dog then you can mitigate your potential losses by means of insurance. If you decide not to make such arrangements then don’t expect others to give up their entitlement to redress in the event of mishap.
That was my immediate thought
That was my immediate thought too.
In addition, as a BC member I have public liability cover should I do something stupid that injures others.
As a dog owner I refuse to pay the extoritionate premiums to insurance companies, but I am also aware that my dog (a bassett) has very selective hearing when she picks up a scent so for everyone’s safety (including hers) I don’t let her off the (short, non-extending) lead, so as long as other road users give me a metre plus of space we will cause you no trouble.
Chapeau! Especially for the
Chapeau! Especially for the short non-extending lead!
“The judge said: “We all know
“The judge said: “We all know that cyclists whether on path, road or common, have a sense of absolute entitlement to do whatever they want to do and we all know that dog owners also have a similar sense of entitlement to do exactly what they want to do irrespective of anybody else.”
This judge should recuse themself from the case since they’ve demonstrated bias against both parties. The cornerstone of legal action is that it will be a fair hearing, and this is not possible with this judge.
Jenova20 wrote:
I’ll agree that he has expressed prejudice, appears to be an idiot, and should be put out to pasture; but, as an aside, if he has expressed ‘bias against both parties’, isn’t that a description of balance?
GMBasix wrote:
You’d have to measure his bias against the two parties to make sure that it matches – maybe a biasometer?
Whether or not his opinions are balanced, I don’t like the idea of judges just jumping to conclusions based on their own prejudices rather than, you know, doing their job to listen to the evidence impartially.
GMBasix wrote:
Balance would be to not show bias against either in this case, since the judge is supposed to be impartial and their judgement beyond question. Whoever loses will just appeal now and claim that the judge expressed their hatred towards them before the case even started. It’s a waste of time before it even starts.
His words do appear crass. It
His words do appear crass. It’s the same as saying something along the lines of….
“As everyone knows, High Court judges are old, senile, white blokes from privileged backgrounds who have a huge sense of entitlement drummed into them from an early age by a private education system, family contacts and an old boys network which gives them access to lucrative careers in the legal profession, not to mention priority membership at the golf club.”
What a dinosaur judge!?
What a dinosaur judge!?
I’m bewildered by this case.
I’m bewildered by this case. I can’t help feeling that there is exaggeration on allsides.
I’m unconvinced he was doing 5mph. I’m also unconvinced by the ladies somewhat bizzarre defenses.
I’m also confused that if the ball bounces randomly off the dog after it was thrown away from the path how it can be anything other than an accident. Which is a far better defense
I’m also unconvinced by the first judges conclusion and the second judge’s random prejudices.
It all seems lawyers at dawn in the hope and defense against compo.
It wasn’t an accident though.
It wasn’t an accident though. There is no need to work out the precise trajectory, just that a ball can bounce randomly so throwing it by an adjacent cycle path is not a good idea.
Animals behave erratically, so that can’t be put down as an accident hence the HC saying keep dogs on a short lead.
Just a quick note to let Road
Just a quick note to let Road.cc readers know that legal expert and lawyer to A-list celebrities Nick Freeman has come out with his verdict on why the judge used the “entitlement” wording in court.
Writing on Twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/TheMrLoophole/status/1458837591743160320), Mr Freeman eloquently argues that the reason some cyclists show “a sense of absolute entitlement” is because they are essentially unidentifiable, and therefore have a misguided sense of impunity.
Just a quick warning to let
Just a quick warning to let road.cc readers know that top self-publicist and rent-a-quote shit-stirrer N*** F****** has been spraying tripe across the internet again, and it’s likely to end up tediously polluting these pages.
Splurging on tw*tter, he cried “LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME!!!”
mdavidford wrote:
N. F. … Could Nick Freeman be a sockpuppet of Nigel Farage d’you think? Never seen them together…
It seems judges have a sense
It seems judges have a sense of entitlement to say whatever garbage comes into their head
Anyone want to give this a go
Anyone want to give this a go?
https://www.gov.uk/complain-judge-magistrate-tribunal-coroner