Judge Simon Tonking of Stafford Crown Court has written to The Times urging that cyclists be banned from riding on many A-roads.
Judge Tonkin suggests that it would improve safety “to remove all cyclists from any dual-carriageway which is not subject to a speed limit of 30, or possibly 40, mph.”
He goes on to say, “This would not prevent cyclists from using dual-carriageways in urban areas but would take them away from some of our more dangerous trunk roads where traffic is both heavy and fast moving.
“Any cyclist, particularly a lone cyclist who is not wearing high-visibility clothing, is at huge risk on such roads from vehicles approaching from behind at a (legal) closing speed of up to 60 mph. At such a closing speed a relatively small and very vulnerable “object” is coming into view at the rate of 60ft per second and in a moment’s inattention irreparable damage is done.”
As Carlton Reid has pointed out, there are a few problems with this idea. Even if it only applies to dual-carriageway A roads, in some places such a road is the only way to get fro A to B. Judge Tonkin is effectively saying that non-urban cycling should be banned from such areas.
He also overlooks that it's already possible for A-roads to be restricted so that cyclists cannot use them, via traffic regulation orders.
What's more worrying than a judge forgetting that particular bit of the law, is his use of language. Judge Tonkin speaks of “huge risk”' but in fact the number of deaths of cyclists as a result of being hit from behind on an A-road is small. To solve the problem by banning cyclists from such roads, and to therefore set the precedent of overturning cyclists' general right to use the public highway, is using an atom bomb to crack a walnut.
Judge Tonkin mentions a “lone cyclist … not wearing high-visibility clothing” but presents no evidence that when he has had “the painful duty of sitting on cases involving the death of or serious injury to cyclists caused in road traffic accidents” any of them have been caused or made worse by the lack of high-visibility clothing.
In fact, in the opening paragraph of his letter, he judge admits that “several (but not all) of [these cases] have been accepted or found to have been caused by dangerous or careless driving of motor vehicles.”
It's peculiar then, that Judge Tonkin isn't calling for better driver training or more severe penalties for drivers who kill or injure.
The judge concludes his letter by saying: “Lest it be said that cyclists have a right to use such roads and it is up to other road users to be vigilant, the fact is that no cyclist, or even motorcyclist with a machine of small capacity, is permitted to use any motorway. As a matter of logic and realism the same should apply to dual carriageways where the speed limit is not significantly restricted.”
It hardly needs to be pointed out that motorways are purpose-built for motor vehicle use (the clue is in the name) and are almost never the sole route between two points a short distance apart, whereas even dual-carriageway A roads often have numerous minor junctions.
In some jurisdictions, Australia for example, cyclists are permitted to use motorways while in others such as Holland and Germany fast and congested A-roads are usually accompanied by high-quality bike paths that obviate the need for a ban by providing a far more appealing option.
In response to the same Times article on the rise in cyclist deaths that prompted Judge Tonkins' letter, a letter from the All-Party Parliamentary Cycling Group said:
“The economic and social benefits of cycling in improving public health, tackling obesity and reducing congestion and pollution are being lost through inaction. And the splendid Olympic cycling legacy risks being overshadowed by an unacceptable death toll.
“Leadership, commitment and investment across government in new policies and infrastructure are all that can reverse this trend of innocent lives lost and encourage more people to ride their bikes on Britain’s streets.” [emphasis ours]
That surely is a far better idea than a blanket ban on cyclists using any class of public road.







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49 thoughts on “Judge wants to ban cyclists from some A-roads”
After Abu Hamsa gave the
After Abu Hamsa gave the judicial system the run around for over eight years at a cost of millions I think a judge should have better aims than targeting Cyclists.
Given Judge Tonkings apalling
Given Judge Tonkings apalling track record for sentencing in careless and dangerous driving cases (Google him), the best thing he can do for road safety is put his own house in order.
Can we complain about him?
Can we complain about him? Strikes me as kinda inappropriate for a judge to be making remarks like this – he’s not an expert on road safety and it isn’t up to him to set the law, just to adjudicate on it. If he wants to right letters like this, fine, but he should do so as a member of the public rather than trying to gain false credibility using his title.
Here’s an even better idea…
😕 Here’s an even better idea… Any road like this should have a decent tarmac surfaced cycle path alongside it.
Municipal Waste wrote: Here’s
Quite, couldn’t agree more. What a negative argument from the judge. Every fast and dangerous road in Britain with significant cycle use should have a high quality surfaced wide cycle path alongside it.
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100% agree
Totally agree -this the real
Totally agree -this the real issue. This is what they’ve done on the new bits of the A46 in Notts when they dualled it Z- it’s great 🙂
Municipal Waste wrote: Here’s
Sorry, this is what my previous comment refers to – still getting my head round this modern tech 🙂
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Very much agree. Or even make use of the (often rarely used) footpaths that exist beside these roads by designating them as dual-use.
On one thread, people are
On one thread, people are arguing against cycling on shared use paths, and then here we’re suggesting we should use a path. I’m struggling to understand where my place is when cycling, not all of us have the luxury of a ‘good’ traffic free alternative to using A roads, but where there are good traffic free alternatives, cyclists are often criticised for using them..
Municipal Waste wrote: Here’s
[[[[ Now then….seeing as how cars present such a danger to cyclists, perhaps Judge Stonkin’ought to be proposing that cars be banned from all A-roads, at least until drivers have learned to drive safely….
P.R.
bloody judges really don’t
bloody judges really don’t live in the real world.
Office for judicial
Office for judicial complaints, just google it and complain online.. Spread the word.
He is sort of correct about
He is sort of correct about the dangers of fast A-roads for cyclists, particularly whenever the conditions are anything other than ideal. How many stories of cyclist deaths here on road.cc (outside of London ones) have been about fast A-road fatalities. Personally, I really hate them. I’ll go out of my way to avoid fast A-roads on my rides (and I’m a fairly confident cyclist).
If an alternative, high-quality (as judged by cyclists, & this includes maintenance & cleaning) cycle path were available for any route served by some section of fast A-road, I could easy live with being barred from that A-road. Generally, if the former was the minimum requirement for a ban, I could live with that.
In the Netherlands, cyclists are banned from autowegen, the dutch equivalent of A-roads. Belgium has something similar – though Belgium also has an exception for peolotons of cyclists over a certain number (14 to 16 or thereabouts iirc).
Returning to my car from a
Returning to my car from a walk in the hills on Saturday I walked three miles on country A roads. Most of the time on the road as there was no pavement. Using this idiots logic this also should have been against the law. Slightly off topic but the strange thing I noticed on my walk was that all the cyclists that passed me gave me more room than the cars.
Without sounding as if I am
Without sounding as if I am agreeing with Judge Simon Tonking (Stafford Crown Court) he does have a point that many of us will have seen on all categories of roads (excluding motorways) – those cyclists trying to win Darwin awards by having neither hi-viz clothing nor lights while cycling in low light conditions.
His conclusion or at least suggestion that banning cyclists from “any dual-carriageway which is not subject to a speed limit of 30, or possibly 40, mph.” is wrong – what he should have said is that all these dual carriageways should have dedicated cycle paths running beside them!
Now we all know that’s not going to happen any time soon so the best step forward is increased education for both cyclists and motorists….though that is as likely as a snowball lasting more than 30secs in hell!
I commute to work by bike,
I commute to work by bike, rural area their is no choice but to use the A46 in places. Admittedily it isn’t dual carriage on the section i use but IMO a dual carriage way would be easier and safer simply because there is more room and less chance of motorists trying stupid overtakes.
video of judge Simon Tonking
video of judge Simon Tonking in action this week
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VgwxKW0J6I
Loads of time trial courses
Loads of time trial courses use DCs, for better or worse. Even our club ’10’ uses a short section of the A5 where it is dualled and it feels to me the safest section – surface is great, no blind corners and drivers give me plenty of room.
While I can imagine that some DCs are not safe to cycle on at certain times that does not justify banning one class of road users (the one that poses the least danger to others, naturally).
While camouflaging yourself to appear indistinguishable from your surroundings isn’t the best idea for self-preservation, hi-viz is no panacaea. Most deaths and injuries to cyclists on these and other roads are caused by driver inattention.
Absolute classic stupidity.
Absolute classic stupidity. Such a ban would mean that (possibly) the most famous cycling cafe in Britain, The Eureka, would be inaccessible to all cyclists as it sits on a non-urban dual-carriageway main trunk road (A540) with a 50mph limit.
Many people have been fighting for years to get a cycle path/lane built along the length of the A540 but without any success or even a prospect of success, and this dual-carriageway is possibly the most used by cyclists on Merseyside.
The ban won’t happen and the cycle paths won’t happen.
At 60 mph a car does 89 feet
At 60 mph a car does 89 feet per second not 60 (a rule of thumb is to multiply the mph by 1.5 to get feet per second)
As for banning bikes from A roads, that’s simply wrong. I did, however suggest o my local authority that all roads with a sped limit in excess of 40 should have a segregated facility next to or parallel to it, should people want to use it without having to mix with traffic. They apparently think it’s an interesting idea but I’m not expecting a raft of new paths in my lifetime
He is right.
I already avoid
He is right.
I already avoid dual carriageways because of the speed involved and the volume of traffic. But as we all know some ‘bike users’ have no sense of their vulnerability.
what planet is this guy from?
what planet is this guy from?
“momentary inattention”?
“momentary inattention”? That’d be Careless, then. It’s almost as if the law had already considered the question (albeit it’s barely enforced).
There are dangers, we can all
There are dangers, we can all appreciate that .. and I understand where he’s coming from .. but don’t agree
I toured Eire a few years back and the vast majority of “A” roads or their version thereof had very adequate cycling provision – a good width of well surfaced tarmac ….
I came back singing their praises … the drivers had WAY MORE RESPECT also..
As a general principle it has
As a general principle it has merits but so many loopholes and possible errors that practically it may not work. How ever I can think of places where it would make perfect sense for both cyclists and car drivers. After all cyclists don’t moan about being banned from motorways. Banning mopeds as well would be good.
In my view, the
In my view, the half-way-house that is the dual carriageway A-Road is a dangerous anachronism- they’ve often (from a driving point of view) got horrible dangerous junctions, many are cramped and narrow etc. Really, they should all be Motorways, with properly engineered junctions etc- and both a local access road and a seperate, non-shared-use (segregated) cycle route roughly paralleling them.
It would be unpopular in many places, yes, and hideously expensive, but the end result would be a much more pleasent driving and cycling experience.
If you support banning on A
If you support banning on A roads why not any road?? A dual-carriageway has lots of room to overtake and visability is amazing. Small country lanes have poor visability, hedges, farm animals crossing, mud on the road etc. Sounds far too dangerous. B roads often are much more twisty with a speed limit of 60mph. They are narrower- cars give little room to overtake. Urban roads- there is so much going on, how could the poor drivers be expected to see every little bike on the road.
Lets just get those pesky bikes off the road once and for all. Maybe we should let them do the odd sportive a couple of times a year.
Perfect cycle lanes would be fine- I have never seen one that allows me to get from A to B at a decent speed safely.
“A dual-carriageway has lots
“A dual-carriageway has lots of room to overtake and visability is amazing.”
Personally I think this is one of the most misperceived points of dual carriageways. When the road is quiet the above may be true but as a daily driver on a 70mph DC (on which I would never ride) I can confidently state that when the road is busy the exact opposite is true: it is very often, for a number of reasons, *extremely* difficult to spot cyclists. I would choose a 60mph rural road over any busy dual carriageway with even a 40mph limit, any day of the week.
I agree 100% with the statement that “the half-way-house that is the dual carriageway A-Road is a dangerous anachronism“. Horrible things for drivers but even more so for cyclists. Time we built good cycling alternatives alongside them and perhaps made more use of the “An (M)” classification.
I have to admit that I hate
I have to admit that I hate using and try to avoid using dual carriageways, but I’d be loathe to agree to a cycling ban on their use.
As mentioned, in reality, these roads should offer high levels of safety, being straight, wide, with great visibility and loads of overtaking room. Only challenge is vehicle volume and speed, which apart from being no fun at all to be around, shouldn’t jeopardise safety.
I see this ban being for less about safety and far more about convenience for the judge and other car drivers. As has been said many times before, the rage felt by many car drivers is intact a knee jerk reaction to being made aware of their own incompetencies… Oh shit a cyclist, what do I do… Do I overtake now, is it safe… Oh shit…. Terre fecking cyclists!
I digress.
Why not just include a wider path at the side of these dual carriageways like in other countries… Problem solved.
Imagine the furore if a judge
Imagine the furore if a judge wrote to a national newspaper saying that it is dangerous for black people to walk alone in certain areas, so they should be excluded from any borough or constituency where, to draw a similarly arbitrary line without consideration for the practicality for those affected, racially-motivated attacks exceed 10% of crimes reported.
I am a big fan of riding on
I am a big fan of riding on busy A-roads and dual-carriageways – for me I find it the obvious choice for longer rides.
I am lit-up like a Christmas tree and I am inside the white line and pose zero risk to traffic unless they are driving along the hard shoulder!
Generally traffic passes at a safe distance, partly due to the light I emit, but I think also because of the unusual nature of seeing a cyclist on that road – some douchebag drivers come too close – but that can happen on any road.
I wouldnt however ride these roads without lights or wearing non-refelctive black, I think thats just asking for trouble – and in the event of a collision then the newspaper would report that I wasn’t lit up or visible and bad driving would be excused!
Martin, dual carriageway
Martin, dual carriageway A-roads don’t always have a hard shoulder . Indeed, that’d be unusual up here in Scotland. Having to cycle *in* a lane with 60+ mph traffic is not fun. Close passes at that speed can be terrifying, especially if by larger vehicles.
Martin, this is not atypical
Martin, this is not atypical for the A1: http://goo.gl/maps/u7uJ8
There is though a very narrow cycle/footpath (fgood luck if there’s a cyclist coming the other way) on the opposite side of the road. Enjoy!
PaulJ – I actually got pulled
PaulJ – I actually got pulled off the A1 just outside Edinburgh by the police as you cant cycle on it, I had managed to not see the road-signs informing me of such thing! Even then though I had no fears about cycling to the left of the solid line despite some of the larger vehicles passing.
re the A1 in England, i regularly ride along it as part of my training rides, from peterborough way (where it turns to the A1M) up to Doncaster, I really enjoy it as a good road to ride on!
I’ve probably done a 1000 miles on in and never had any issues – but I am always lit up well – normally 2 or 3 lights on the back to alert drivers!
I think we should ban Judges
I think we should ban Judges from talking to the media…. 👿
Was one of m’learned friends
Was one of m’learned friends comments mis-reported. It says “60mph dual carr…”, where in fact the national speed limit as we all know being responsible road users and familiar with the Highway Code, is 70mph, as another poster has noted. The same as a motorway.
Interesting approach, ban the victim and the crime stops. None of which helps someone hit from behind by a driver paying insufficient attention to conducting his 600kg-44 tonne piece of machinery along the road in a safe way.
Hey I have good idea, Why
Hey I have good idea, Why don’t we have a Highway Code? Oh we do. Why don’t we use it, I see more drivers texting and using there phones then ever before, not seen a cyclist doing this yet. I see cyclists jumping red lights cars sitting in cycle lanes the list goes on. Yes we need more and better cycle lanes but more importantly we need to pay care and attention and mutual respect on her majesty’s highways. We don’t need another judge getting above his station he should stick to applying the laws correctly and sentencing those who break the law. Not to difficult is it and yes I do cycle on dual carriageways and 99% of motorists give you plenty of room but there’s always an idiot or someone not paying attention. Keep safe.
around Cambridge there’s huge
around Cambridge there’s huge numbers of cyclists texting and making calls on their phones. Morons the lot of them. Often swerving all over the place. Makes life dangerous for other cyclists- but not as dangerous as motor vehicle drivers doing likewise.
A blanket ban would be
A blanket ban would be stupid.
There are several road near my hometown where the only direct route is a dual-carriageway A road.
If you really can’t see and react to an object in front when driving at 60mph you either need to slow down or mail your licence back to the DVLA.
Martin Porter QC has written
Martin Porter QC has written a response to The Times:
http://thecyclingsilk.blogspot.com/2012/10/cycling-on-dual-carriageways-open.html
‘….The whole thing was made
‘….The whole thing was made completely out of matchsticks!’……. ‘took it off below the knee’….’a rather striking mustache..’…… ‘SNAKE, SNAKE!’… ‘well I did laugh I’m afraid…’ ….. ‘Her husband had been entombed in ice.’…..’Like this.’… ‘but I’m afraid that I was very, very drunk.’
It doesn’t mention it but I
It doesn’t mention it but I presume the judge is a regular cyclist – I mean he’s not likely to be some arrogant buffoon that thinks he’s an expert on cycling while being chauffeur around in a jag!
Good for the judge. Totally
Good for the judge. Totally independently and to much derision from some cyclists like Carlton Reid, I have been, with the welfare of cyclists in mind, been raising the self evident: For humans to mingle, mix, often compete with and be in the path of large fast moving essential machines operated by any Tom Dick & Harry, has to be daft. May I say that I do it too and I am daft because it is a mad lottery.
Carlton is far too tunnel visioned to be a cyclist’s best advocate and predictably spoils his contribution by blaming drivers and seeking more punishment for them too. But it is not they who are creating this dangerous scenario. Politicians, trying to deal with their own economic failures, green agendas, and in some case from ideology are irresponsibly donning convenient cycle clips & exploiting cycling for their own ends.
Carlton’s blame stance doesn’t alter the fact that when dead you may well have right on your side. Worse yet: If crippled or turned into a vegetable state, you may well have been in the right too. Wonderful Carlton. Completely missing the point as usual.
Well, of course the judge is
Well, of course the judge is right, and showing the good commonsense of so many judges of his ilk.
People who injure or murder others should be given full control of their environment and those that are injured, upset or killed by those dangerous individuals should have their freedom circumscribed for their own protection.
In the same spirit of common-sense, I look forwards to any person with a history of GBH or who arm themselves with guns being given control of the high-streets and anyone who might suffer injury to be confined to their own houses.
If people who DON’T cause injury were to venture outside their houses, they must be subject to the full force of the law for exposing themselves to danger.
Yes, that should stop accidents nicely.
Better still:
It would be good for the gun and 4×4 industry too.
if you restrict cyclists to
if you restrict cyclists to roads with 30 or 40 miles an hour limit you might as well make cycling illegal as many of the minor roads we use are covered by national speed limit which is 60 anyway. Dual carriageways should be safer as although the speeds are greater the roads are generally straighter so unless the cyclist is wearing camouflage there should be no supprises encounters, but how often have you been passed on a empty dual carriageway, whilst riding side by side, by a fist waving motorist inches off the bars
I ride 10 miles each way
I ride 10 miles each way along the a256 into margate . It has what many might regard as a high quality cycle path alongside it but it is in fact crap because the Tarmac is corrugated and littered with broken glass fragments ( something you don’t realise unless you try to ride on it with road tyres). I use the main carriageway and its fine …perfectly safe because its straight and all the vehicles are travelling the same way. My other route is a country lane route and I have a near death experience on it at least once a week or so. There is no way this judge has any idea of the actual risks to cyclists per km cycled on different road types. A roads are the safest type of road to cycle on statistically.
Another thing, ban cycles then also ban 30mph mopeds. What is the difference ?
Think long and hard…..if bicycles start to loose the right to use all roads cycling is in trouble and ceases to be a viable means of transport.
I also wanted to add that in 4 years of cycling on a 50mph dual carriageways day In day out, the only events that could be construed as dangerous that have happened to me have been deliberate acts of aggression by drivers who have seen me but clearly thought I shouldn’t be there. I shall expect a bit more of these from times readers I suppose. Thanks judge. FYI this dual carriageway is the only way I can make it in time to pick up my daughter from after school club on time. 10 miles takes me 29 minutes on the dual carriage way, 40 minutes using the toy town path next to it(with daily punctures), and 55 minutes on my far more dangerous country lane route )15 miles). And I frequently overtake mopeds btw.
Maybe a dangerous thing to
Maybe a dangerous thing to do, but what if we were to flip the argument on its head? What about banning HGVs from town centres? The Judge’s arguments stand up just as well to this kind of action as removing more vunerable road users rom faster roads.
Typical attitude of a judge
Typical attitude of a judge who thinks he can pass judgement on subject he actually knows nothing about (as he demonstrates by his stupid comments. What chance do cyclists have of getting justice in court when idiots like this are in such positions? What makes him think he has the right to make such statements about road traffic issues when he clearly has no real understanding of the issues. How arrogant. Time he retired.