John Griffin, head of minicab firm Addison Lee who caused a storm this week and threats of legal action from TfL by telling his drivers to illegally use London's bus lanes has provoked further controversy with his views on the rise in the number of cyclists killed on the capital's roads.
The opinions expressed by Mr Griffin in Add Lib magazine, distributed free to the passengers who each year undertake 10 million journeys in Addison Lee’s fleet of nearly 4,000 vehicles, have already received widespread condemnation on social networks such as Twitter from ordinary cyclists and cycle campaigners alike.
We’ve repeated Mr Griffin’s column in full below. If you’re a cyclist, and particularly one who rides a bike in London, it makes for chilling reading.
Here's what he wrote.
“Green party candidates and others are up in arms about what they see as the murder of Cyclists on London Roads.
“There has, as we all know, been a tremendous upsurge in cycling and cycling shops. This summer the roads will be thick with bicycles. These cyclists are throwing themselves onto some of the most congested spaces in the world. They leap onto a vehicle which offers them no protection except a padded plastic hat.
“Should a motorist fail to observe a granny wobbling to avoid a pothole or a rain drain, then he is guilty of failing to anticipate that this was somebody on her maiden voyage into the abyss. The fact is he just didn’t see her and however cautious, caring or alert he is, the influx of beginner cyclists is going to lead to an overall increase in accidents involving cyclists.
“The rest of us occupying this roadspace have had to undergo extensive training. We are sitting inside a protected space with impact bars and air bags and paying extortionate amounts of taxes on our vehicle purchase, parking, servicing, insurance and road tax.
“It is time for us to say to cyclists, ‘You want to join our gang, get trained and pay up’.”
News comment
Reading the content of Mr Griffin’s column, it occurred to us that we could comment upon his apparent belief that roads belong to motorists.
We could take him to task for his apparent victim-blaming of those who lose their lives while quite legally cycling on London’s roads.
We could reflect on the fact that not just Greens but politicians of all hues ride bikes, including a Mayor of London who belongs to a party which Addison Lee supports financially with six-figure donations.
We could remind Mr Griffin that with cycle safety centre stage in the London mayoral elections, his views are woefully out of touch with one of the key political issues in the city his business operates in.
We could point out that experienced cyclists, as well as comparative newcomers, are all too often the victims in fatal incidents in the capital.
We could elaborate on the fact that there are many things that can be done to improve the safety of cyclists besides their wearing “a padded plastic hat.”
We could underline his apparent belief that ‘Sorry mate, I didn’t see you’ is an acceptable excuse for hitting a cyclist.
We could highlight that in many cities throughout Europe and beyond, bicycles and cars do co-exist on the same roads.
We could correct him on his erroneous use of the term ‘road tax’ or his failure to acknowledge that cyclists and motorists are often one and the same person.
We could go on to say that the majority of adult cyclists hold driving licences, and will therefore have received exactly the same level of ‘extensive training’ as most motorists on the road.
We could correct his use of the word ‘accident,’ which implies chance with no human intervention, when the emergency services and much of the media have switched to using the neutral ‘incident.’
We could consider that a motorist’s ‘protected space’ can lead them to forget that they are sitting inside a machine with the capability of easily inflicting death or serious injury on more vulnerable road users.
Or we could highlight the comments found on a variety of forums that London cyclists post on that regularly single out Addison Lee’s self-employed drivers as among the worst on London’s roads.
We won’t do any of that because Mr Griffin does not come across as a man who would be well disposed to engage in reasoned debate about the issues involved and who might be persuaded to come round to a point of view opposed to that he currently holds.
We’re not convinced he’d understand that contrary viewpoint, far less embrace it.
What he does understand, however, is business. He has built a company from a single vehicle into Europe’s largest cab operator. That doesn’t happen by chance.
But while he acknowledges that cycling in London is booming, he misses the point about where much of that growth comes from; it isn’t from ‘grannies’ taking to two wheels for the first time.
Instead, a lot of the rise in cycling is driven by middle-aged professionals such as lawyers, bankers and accountants who in some cases will be the people who decide which cab firm their company uses, or at least help influence that decision.
Currently, for many companies and organisations, that firm will be Addison Lee.
Earlier this week, the company used its Twitter feed to proclaim proudly that its account customers had overwhelmingly backed its unilateral decision to illegally use London’s bus lanes; we wonder whether all of his customers will endorse his views on cycling, and those who have died while riding their bikes, once they learn of them?
We also wonder whether any of them might take their business elsewhere?
It's a safe bet Mr Griffin would understand that.




















84 thoughts on “Addison Lee chairman provokes controversy with his views on London cyclist deaths”
Well written, Simon. One gets
Well written, Simon. One gets the feeling that he has somehow recently come to the conclusion that his firm is big enough that he can start throwing his weight around. With any luck, he will be proved wrong.
notfastenough wrote:Well
Exactly.
On twitter the hashtag #boycottaddisonlee is being used. Many bike companies have contracts with AL and they are now in the know thanks to Bikebiz.
It is just not on for a private business to attempt to dictate law and tax, and to hold such dangerous attitudes towards others
Other way round, motor
Other way round, motor vehicle drivers need to prove to pedestrians, horse riders and cyclists they are good drivers.
Not sure he himself uses the
Not sure he himself uses the bus lane in his AL car. Would be quite funny to have him surrounded by “a few” cyclists at a red light…
dont link direct to this
dont link direct to this idiots company – the guy is out to get publicity, and the more links to his company the better his ranking in the search engines
I fear that Addison Lee will
I fear that Addison Lee will be the death of me if this moron gets his own way.
if im right in thinking there
if im right in thinking there is a higherarchy where pedestrians have a right of way over cyclists and cars however cyclists have a right away over cars. a car can wait for a cyclist to turn off or for there to be a safe space to over take. also if he says cyclists are causing more conjestion. imagine how many more cars there would be if all cyclists in london started using cars of there own. there would be much more conjestion and more accidents. cyclists in london do sometimes weave in and out of traffic but they do so at there own risk and if it is not the drivers fault then they have nothing to worry about. however its usually the case that it is the driver at the heart of the accident causing the incident. sorry for waffling. rant over.
I read up to the end of the
I read up to the end of the quote and nothing below that as i’d like to have my own say on what he said without reading your reply
In part, i think he is right, London is not the place for people to just jump on a bike and go out, so yes, maybe newbie’s to the road need to have a little training. The other part of this is Boris bikes and other hires, many foreigners use these to get about without having cycled in London before, this against my better judgement as a cyclist is wrong. Unless they are used in cycle lanes that are not part of the road network, then i think thats also a safety concern. But why should we pay anything when we already pay our taxes?
I was behind their letter to their drivers and them using the bus lanes like any other black cab gets to, but slightly put off their stance on cyclist.
That was a brilliant article
That was a brilliant article Simon. Well written.
I find it ironic that AL is having ‘issues’ with competition in the build up to the Olympics. They are after all a well established company and never ‘publicly’ took TfL tto task over their being banned from bus lanes in the past. I wonder also if they will demand access to the VIP lanes during the games or will they have ‘won’ that contract?
Anyone else feel this might
Anyone else feel this might be a publicity stunt? AL seems to have had an awful lot of media exposure in recent days.
Famous last words BUT I am yet to be cut up or have a serious incident with an AL driver. I have had some very bad run ins with aggressive Black Cab drivers though.
Griffin’s comments are provocative but they only confirm what most London drivers think about us. They think we’re a bloody nuisance.
Nicely written reply Road.cc.
Nicely written reply Road.cc.
In terms of a media stunt AL
In terms of a media stunt AL is very much ‘doing a Ryanair’ a little bit of controversy will stir up a hornets nest of brand mentions and web links. Even though i cycle regularly i am more often a pedestrian and sadly the type of road user the scares me the most is the ‘pro’ cyclist – cant see them, cant hear them and they never observe traffic signals if you so much as step a foot out of line their ready for a fight. AL has a point 🙁
Perhaps we should change all
Perhaps we should change all Addison Lee links in our stories to point to here
Anyone here bank with
Anyone here bank with Barclays?
Doctor Fegg wrote:Anyone here
On a related note, I wonder if there is a way of identifying which businesses use Addison Lee on a regular basis?
Then we might consider writing to those businesses to point out Mr. Griffin’s irresponsible and anti-social comments.
We might even consider withdrawing our custom from those businesses that continue to support Addison Lee.
An attention seeking idiot by
An attention seeking idiot by all accounts who, as the article suggests, has become too big for his boots.
Probably thinks he’s sending a warning shot across the bows of cyclists in London, now that his taxis are going to be competing for the same space as some cyclists (I think compete is a more apt word to use than “share”) as his cabs are now going to, illegally, hurtle along the bus lanes.
Hopefully good old Boris will give one of his cabs a good booting if they try to hustle him off the road….:D
While John Griffin might have
While John Griffin might have being extremely irritating in common with Ryanair boss Michael O’Leary he is obviously no-where near as bright or media savvy.
I’d say Mr Griffin’s comments on cyclists could well turn out to be his Gerald Ratner moment – the boardrooms of many of Addison Lee’s key account holders must have a fairly sizeable number of MAMILs in them – I wonder what they think of his views?
Seems things may gather a
Seems things may gather a little momentum – Cav has tweeted that he refused to use AL, and the link he references includes a few commenters waking up the Times etc.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkCavendish/status/193093098203652096
Thanks for the comments
Thanks for the comments everyone.
Kaya Burgess who is leading the Cities fit for Cycling campaign at The Times was one of the first people to tweet about it earlier this evening.
I’ve seen a number of people saying on Twitter they are cancelling corporate accounts with Addison Lee – doesn’t seem to be anyone as yet of the stature of a PwC or magic circle law firm, but there is definitely momentum building.
Simon, that is really
Simon, that is really excellent. Well done.
Another case of free
Another case of free marketing via social media – I guess AL has recently hired a PR firm to raise it’s profile – I hope it backfires.
They use a PR firm called PHA
They use a PR firm called PHA Media. Their website is here: http://www.pha-media.com .
Another case of free
Another case of free marketing via social media – I guess AL has recently hired a PR firm to raise it’s profile – I hope it backfires.
Nicely written piece.
The
Nicely written piece.
The bloke deserves everything that’s coming to him as he sounds like he’s got too big for his boots. He’s not that smart as he’s not thought who his customer base is and who actually is riding the bikes.
If I lived and worked in London I would not use his company as they do not show the level of due care I would expect from someone driving me around.
I will be urging all I know
I will be urging all I know to discontinue using Addison Lee.
A couple of people I know are very large corporate customers who spend large amounts with them.
I urge everyone to do the same if your in a position to do so.
Also making this article viral it’ll be picked up by the mainstream media.
Drivers attitude normally
Drivers attitude normally really, really grates me as a cyclist.
But to be honest this blokes comments aren’t that offensive to me.
I mean I’d say to any novice cyclist thinking of riding in London – don’t do it. Or at the very least get used to riding in traffic somewhere less congested first.
Personally I’ve ridden 3000 miles over the last 12 months or so, but only recreationally and I simply wouldn’t view cycling as a form of commuting into London, I value my life and limbs too much.
Of course this fellas comments are wrong, it is really the cab, bus, lorry and car dirvers in the city that need ADDITIONAL training to cope with the influx of cyclists, but it wouldn’t help to have some kind or education in place to help cyclists understand the risks either.
Pmr – cycling in central
Pmr – cycling in central London is often safer than outside. The roads are wider, vehicles are slower, there are more cyclists around, and on the whole drivers are more alert. I feel more threatened on country roads. Which is not of course to excuse some of the appalling infrastructure in the capital – Kings Cross, for instance.
However, one of the key reasons London is safer is that we have a network of bike lanes (of sorts). These are called bus lanes, and only extra trained drivers are allowed in them, when driving buses or black cabs. Addison Lee drivers aren’t extra trained, and in fact they are often appalling. Plus the additional numbers of vehicles in the bus lanes will defeat the point of having them at all.
The Addison Lee MD is attacking cyclists because we are allowed to use the bike lanes, and his cars aren’t. He will attack bus drivers next.
Don’t know about anyone else,
Don’t know about anyone else, but this makes it clear that I will NEVER book and Addison Lee car.
Er I am trained and yes I do
Er I am trained and yes I do pay up ie I am insured!
If London is the same as other cities, the Black Cabs (Hackney carriages) pay a premium to be able to pick up people from anywhere and use the bus lanes. Private Hire vehicles do not pay anything like that amount of money so they are not able to have these privileges. (That’s how it works here so I assume it is similar nationwide). So why does Mr Griffin think he should have these privileges over any other road-user?
Makes you wonder what other rules and regs he is flouting!
This is one occasion where
This is one occasion where I’m relishing my ability to decide which cab company my department uses. Ad Lee just lost about £500 per month from us. I’m going to research good (ideally green, well, as green as a car can get) alternatives. I’ll post back what I find.
miuzikboy wrote:This is one
Have a look at Green Tomatoes. They were being recommended on twitter last night
Well written and perceptive,
Well written and perceptive, nice piece.
Oops, hat should read green
Oops, hat should read green tomatoe cars!!
giff77 wrote:Oops, hat should
Nice, thanks! Will do.
My wife works on the busy
My wife works on the busy trading floor of a German bank, which if I’m correct is the cities largest employer.
She also has a 14 year old son and a husband who are regular cyclists.
After John Griffin’s recent buslane and cyclist rants, she will not be booking Ad Lee in the future and will be persuading colleagues likewise.
Hopefully word will spread. 👿
The stuff about cyclists,
The stuff about cyclists, however offensive, is just taxi-driver-done-well bluster. The bus lane thing is altogether nore serious.
TfL has made it clear that they regard deliberatel infringement of bus lanes as a criminal matter and will prosecute it as such. In “instructing” his drivers to use bus lanes he is suborning them to commit a criminal offence. Offering to pay their fines is insufficient remedy, and the instruction is isetlf unlawful and oppressive to his staff.
Further, the receipt and processing of the fares paid by customers involved in the bus lane infringements is at least arguably an offence of money laundering under the Anti-Money Laundering regs and the proceeds of Crime Act. Any firm which needs to maintain a clean status in regard to meny laundering, ie any bank, insurance company, law or accounting firm, and many others, should take not of that and indicate to Mr Griffin that if he persists, they will hav eno alternative but to remove their business.
If I was part of anonymous I
If I was part of anonymous I would be tempted to suggest they take down their website. Still if everyone in lcc and all those who look at this page were to email customerrelations@addisonlee.com, and do so on a weekly basis demanding that he change his tune and issue a public apology, it might cause them a bit of a headache?
Addison Lee vehicles are
Addison Lee vehicles are often very poorly driven. It’s interesting that the boss takes such an aggressive attitude to cyclists. It’d be good if Alan Sugar or Paul Smith, both well known as avid cyclists, took him to task. I doubt either would mince their words. I don’t like using Addison Lee as the vehicles are badly driven, this makes me even more likely to use other firms.
Further, the receipt and
Further, the receipt and processing of the fares paid by customers involved in the bus lane infringements is at least arguably an offence of money laundering under the Anti-Money Laundering regs and the proceeds of Crime Act. Any firm which needs to maintain a clean status in regard to meny laundering, ie any bank, insurance company, law or accounting firm, and many others, should take not of that and indicate to Mr Griffin that if he persists, they will hav eno alternative but to remove their business.
You bugger! I am a Lawyer and I never considered that possibility. Could be right!
Apart from anything else, his
Apart from anything else, his views are based on a simple misconception. I pointed out in a recent blogpost – http://invisiblevisibleman.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/it-may-be-fun-but-is-cycling-part-of.html – that Transport for London research attributes blame for around three-quarters of bike-vehicle accidents to the driver, not the cyclist. And that’s based on figures from the not-very-bike-friendly Metropolitan Police.
Addison Lee vehicles have struck me since the company’s inception as being particularly poorly driven. I am now happy to call for people to boycott them.
This reminds me of cycling in
This reminds me of cycling in Cornwall over the Easter break, lovely quiet roads, cars giving you plenty space, and the first and last car to screech past and cut in with an inch of space . . . yes you guessed it, an Addison lee stickered taxi!
Disdain for cyclists knows no boundaries for those guys, its a deeply engrained ethos.
That’s a long cab ride! AL is
That’s a long cab ride! AL is a London cab firm!
I’ve just checked whether my
I’ve just checked whether my company uses Addison Lee at all. I’ve urged them to stop doing so if they do.
Well written piece Simon.
Well written piece Simon. Surely there is some legal issue with his inciting people (I use the term loosely having long seen the skill level of his drivers, Neanderthals is probably nearer) to break the law? Quite obviously a narrow minded idiot looking for publicity to which end I hope it backfires on him and AL.
cidermart wrote:(I use the
Unfair to Neanderthals – seriously. The nasty, brutish ones were us.
Apart from that I passed my
Apart from that I passed my cycling proficiency test when I was younger so I am trained 😀
I find it hard to understand
I find it hard to understand why people like this speak of cyclists like a separate species.
Part of the process of becoming a qualified driver should involve at least one lesson on a bike in town traffic.
I too have noticed people
I too have noticed people treat cyclists as something strange, alien and annoying. My best guess is it comes from the same kind of base human instinct that often leads people to regard the obviously different as frightening and intrinsically annoying. I expound on the idea at greater length here: http://invisiblevisibleman.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/why-some-people-get-angry-with-cyclists.html .
This is actually a really
This is actually a really good idea.
Perhaps driving lessons should start with the instructor taking the learner out on a bicycle to show them how junctions work etc. and show close-up how other drivers behave. It will give the learner better confidence before first driving a car, and also gives them an appreciation of the other people using the road.
Their account is now under
Their account is now under review in my company and I suspect very shortly also at a group level. Not surprising, seeing as some of the people who run it are regular cyclists.
Emailed my thoughts to the
Emailed my thoughts to the company….doubt they’ll get read. Just amazes me that anyone can hold such arrogant and ill educated views. He needs to get his own house in order and look at his drivers before making daft statements liike that. Tw@!
This is what really gets me
This is what really gets me about this:
“Should a motorist fail to observe a granny wobbling to avoid a pothole or a rain drain, then he is guilty of failing to anticipate that this was somebody on her maiden voyage into the abyss.”
A good motorist should leave sufficient space when overtaking to allow for this kind of unexpected maneuvre. If a vehicle overtakes another vehicle, it does so by temporarily moving into the outside lane or the other carriageway. Why should they not do the same when overtaking a cyclist just because the cyclist has a narrower profile? A rain drain is about 30 centimetres wide for crying out loud! If you are close enough to hit someone avoiding one of these then you are TOO CLOSE!
The fact is that the majority of motorists do indeed overtake “wide”, but if they do hit a wobbling “granny” then it is their fault for not driving carefully and they should be punished.
The problem we will now have is that there will be more vehicles in the bus lane that have just enough space to get between cyclists and a lane of congested traffic, which will lead to more accidents. I recommend all cyclists cycle directly in the middle of the bus lane from now on; if AL taxis want to overtake they can rejoin the normal traffic.
The irony of his “If you want
The irony of his “If you want to join our gang, get trained and pay up”, when that’s exactly what cab drivers are saying to him re: bus lanes is unfathomable.
You may also want to email
You may also want to email customerrelations@addisonlee.com and give them your thoughts. I’m sure they will love having their email blocked with endless rants. 👿
My company spends upward of
My company spends upward of £8K per month on AL cabs. We have now switched to another supplier. While his thoughts on training cyclists make sense, the tone and intent of his words is clear and reflected in the sub-standard driving that a number of his drivers display.
John Griffin, wave good bye to £100K a year.
I hope many follow suit. Idiot.
Well Mr Griffin, you might do
Well Mr Griffin, you might do well to realise that many of your corporate customers are also cyclists.
Whilst I do agree that there are some cyclists who simply aren’t skilled enough to ride on London’s busy roads and would do well to practice elsewhere first, your comments smack of Mr Toad at a time when we need to encourage more people to cycle. Not have them quaking in their saddles worried about one of your black beasts knocking them off because they now share the cycle / bus lane.
Simple protest from me…. you can kiss our account goodbye. We might only spend £2k a year with your company but if 1,000 other small London firms like ours make the same decision, you’ll soon take note.
Hey everyone, long time
Hey everyone, long time cyclist, first time poster.
I live in London, I have a car that I use once a month for visiting family up north and I have a bicycle which I use to get to work every day. While the chap from AL is clearly of a genetic relation to the chap from Ryanair, I agree with the bottom line of the article which is “As more and more cyclists start to use the roads for the first time, they should have some training on the rules of the road.”
As a cyclist through London every day, I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve nearly been knocked off my bike. I’m fairly certain that had I not had countless driving lessons (and cycling proficiency lessons) which taught me how junctions work and how to recognise, anticipate and avoid hazards and make correct observations before manoeuvres, then I’d probably have landed in hospital a couple of times, and come off my bike a few more.
Having also driven through London several times, the idiots on the road aren’t (usually) actively picking on cyclists, they’re just idiots. Spotting a car up ahead that’s been waiting to turn right and is getting impatient to the point that they might make a break for it ahead of you is just as important to a cyclist as it is to another driver. Same with learning to look over your shoulder and indicate before changing lanes, which is especially important when avoiding a stopped bus in a bus lane in London.
If you’re in a car and you bump another driver at a junction then it’s usually superficial damage. If you’re a cyclist and the same accident happens then it can be fatal. All the more reason why we should have some training.
Nice one Simon.
The man’s a
Nice one Simon.
The man’s a buffoon! His is a very oddly written article. Loving the laughably hysterical tone (“cyclists are *throwing* themselves…”, “they *leap* onto a vehicle…”, “Maiden voyage into the abyss”…how old is this bloke?)
He’s managed to take an issue that probably deserves some considered airtime (whether novice cyclists are wise to brave the streets of London before they’ve learned the necessary roadcraft etc) and transform it with his emotive, badly chosen words into something that will only serve to widen the rift between motorists and cyclists – and probably harm his own business in the process.
Then there’s his coup de grace: “It is time for us to say to cyclists, ‘You want to join our gang, get trained and pay up’.” Which gang’s that then you plum? Ill-informed attention whores R us? No thanks.
The company I work for has
The company I work for has agreed to no longer use Addison Lee and are switching to Green Tomatoes.
Hey Lex, welcome to the
Hey Lex, welcome to the forum. I don’t think anyone is objecting to the idea of better training for any/all road users, it’s more the rest of his rant and the tone which have riled people.
Wasn’t there some other older
Wasn’t there some other older fellow, not too many years ago, that sang a song about “you wanna be in my/our gang”? 😉
He’s an arse – that’s a
He’s an arse – that’s a given. Yet after reading all this, i can’t help but be reminded of the ever increasing amount of idiots – on bikes- who cut me up – while i’m on my bicycle (commuting into London as I have been since1993), roll past me when i’m stopped in the correct position at a red light, forcing me to pass there wobbly selves again and again, as then persist in repeating there mistake, reach ridiculous speeds in any built up area ignoring pedestrian crossings, pedestrians and in general – rules of the road, all with only one selfish ignorant thought which is ‘me me me’, least not the canary brigade who think wearing brightly coloured garments is an excuse to not bother with common sense while on there bikes. Apart from that, he’s an arse.
I think there is a big point
I think there is a big point to be made about training here.. why should road systems be places where the most vulnerable – the pedestrians, horse riders and cyclists – need to learn defensive techniques to accommodate the risks others pose?
Why can we not just engineer those risks out of the equation altogether!? That must surely be a massive solution, and Griffin’s advocacy of infringing any safety margin cyclists have is simply wrong.
As I said elsewhere this week – licencing, insuring and taxation of motorists has not stopped an average of 2000+ people (not even cycling related) from dying on our roads.
downfader wrote:I think there
+1
I know I’m late to the party.
I know I’m late to the party. Emailing the customer relations department is all well and good. But they don’t sound like the sort of company that will take much notice. The sales line is another matter. sales@addisonlee.com spamming that and stopping sales would soon get someone’s attention.
One for the more militant minded maybe.
All the best,
Bruce.
i was quite amused when
i was quite amused when addison lee popped up in the middle of this vid -> [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00r6nxw[/url]
This gentleman should read
This gentleman should read rule 44 of the Highway Code:
You should never:
drive dangerously
drive without due care and attention
drive without reasonable consideration for other road users
Not to mention observe road signs!
God forbid that someone
God forbid that someone should be seriously injured by an Addison Lee vehicle whilst it is travelling in a bus lane, but if they were would that mean Mr Griffin personally or the company as a whole could be open to criminal charges.
I have never been able to
I have never been able to understand why cabbies, who after all are just working like the rest of us, are able to use bus lanes to assist them to make money. They must be the biggest group of tax dodgers in the country and we are allowing them to get away with it. I did therefore agree with John Griffin when he felt it was totally unfair for only black cabs to have the privilege of using bus lanes, however he has proved himself to be unworthy of any support for his crass comments, and I sincerely hope his stupid remarks regarding cyclists will have a huge impact on the success of his company. I agree with OldRidgeback that Addison Lee drivers leave a lot to be desired and would like an investigation into how many have a UK licence and how many have actually taken a driving test.
Is this becoming Addison
Is this becoming Addison Lee’s “Ratner” moment?
Maybe he should go out as a
Maybe he should go out as a cycle courier for a month? I really think he should do that, because then he would be in a much better position to argue a viewpoint. Might be a good for him.
Why are taxis still allowed
Why are taxis still allowed to use bus lanes? Why are they still allowed to drive around without any passengers wasting finite resources and polluting? Why are taxis still considered to be public transport when they are clearly private same as ordinary road traffic? Why dont we have a system of taxi stands like other large cities and banish taxis to the ordinary traffic lanes? Could it be something to do with money and politics???
Well written peace Simon.
Am
Well written peace Simon.
Am no lawyer but was wondering if Mr Griffin has acted in a manor that could be regarded as incitement to commit a crime/illegal act. Further should an incident occur (due to his encouragement of an illegal act) is he then passably liable to prosecution under joint enterprise.
There can be no free speech defense as he committed his business resources to defending drivers who will intentionally commit an illegal act where they would not have done so if he had not made his promise. Therefore he must have intend people to brake the law in support of his business objectives.
Courier company boss is
Courier company boss is asshole! Shocker!
Not the first one and certainly not the last, in my experience.
Interview with the Addison
Interview with the Addison Lee boss shortly to be broadcast on Radio 4’s PM program
Cauld Lubter I was referring
Cauld Lubter I was referring to their ability to control a vehicle, as in just being dragged from the past and dropped into one for the first time without any clue how to drive it. Perhaps I should have directed it towards the missing link, primordial ooze amoebas rather than our granite browed forbearers I apologise for any offence me bad. 😉
Time for the ” Politicians “
Time for the ” Politicians ” to institute 10 year licences with a variety of grades as in Oz !
New drivers could even be required to re-licence after 2 years but having moved through the grades to ” Gold ” licence with some privileges attached , most motorists would be reluctant to find themselves downgraded through behaviour that only they control ?
SMIDSY is an unacceptable excuse , since all drivers with eyesight defects are legally required to use appropriate equipment to continue using their driving licence ! Think back to the truck driver who is now responsible for two deaths in less than two years ! Could it be that in the rush to reduce Departmental costs that the ministry involved with “ Road Safety “ cannot be bothered to be more effective on the roads ? Breath Testing , document checking , vehicle emission control , etc , in Random Road Control Exercises could quickly do “ Eye Test “ checks !
Whilst these random exercises will not punish the driver , since these are only control tests , it would be a case of issuing a notice requiring the driver to take an eye sight test within 7 days and produce same at the Police station or other such venue . Of course Drivers licences state the holder should be wearing “ Glasses “ and “ Blind Freddy with his white stick “ should having stopped a driver be able to see if that driver is wearing “ Glasses or contact lenses ,etc “, of course , no Police Officer can tell if they are currently sufficiently effective !
As for the excuse , the sun was in my eyes , would any driver deliberately drive towards a tree knowing that it will damage their vehicle ? So what is the hurry to drive at speed , into an area that you cannot see , in the hope you will remain unscathed ?
“ Licensed to Kill ” is not printed on the “ Driver’s Permit ” in ANY Country , so why do the authorities assume that the V R U is in part , the major part , responsible for their misfortune ?
” MY comment to the IAM report ” lost by the internet shuffle !
Time for the ” Politicians ” to institute 10 year licences with a variety of grades as in Oz !
New drivers could even be required to re-licence after 2 years but having moved through the grades to ” Gold ” licence with some privileges attached , most motorists would be reluctant to find themselves downgraded through behaviour that only they control ?
SMIDSY is an unacceptable excuse , since all drivers with eyesight defects are legally required to use appropriate equipment to continue using their driving licence ! Think back to the truck driver who is now responsible for two deaths in less than two years ! Could it be that in the rush to reduce Departmental costs that the ministry involved with “ Road Safety “ cannot be bothered to be more effective on the roads ? Breath Testing , document checking , vehicle emission control , etc , in Random Road Control Exercises could quickly do “ Eye Test “ checks !
Whilst these random exercises will not punish the driver , since these are only control tests , it would be a case of issuing a notice requiring the driver to take an eye sight test within 7 days and produce same at the Police station or other such venue . Of course Drivers licences state the holder should be wearing “ Glasses “ and “ Blind Freddy with his white stick “ should having stopped a driver be able to see if that driver is wearing “ Glasses or contact lenses ,etc “, of course , no Police Officer can tell if they are currently sufficiently effective !
As for the excuse , the sun was in my eyes , would any driver deliberately drive towards a tree knowing that it will damage their vehicle ? So what is the hurry to drive at speed , into an area that you cannot see , in the hope you will remain unscathed ?
“ Licensed to Kill ” is not printed on the “ Driver’s Permit ” in ANY Country , so why do the authorities assume that the V R U is in part , the major part , responsible for their misfortune ?
COMMENT TO THIS ARTICLE ! hope it works ! Didn’t make it into the comments either !
“Didn’t realise that the ” Cameron Administration ” could be bought for a mere £100k ? Sounds like the 1% getting their way once again !
Mr-andrew’s POV of 14:17 says it all ! Jack of 15:58 is spot on !
Glad i am living in Europe , this week riding at the Giro Del Trentino , where miserable snowy weather would have been intolerable in London !
Comment on “ Addison lee chairman “ article :
good job I am able to save and post from “ Microsoft Works Word “ !
Appears that “ al cabs “ are about to find they are being driven into the ground by a “ would be if he could be “! Time that cyclists became active in letting Vehicle Owners know what their employees are doing to their reputation on a daily basis !
Been cut up recently by a placarded vehicle ? Then let the owner company know about it ! Most large vehicles have “ free phone nos “ to express your POV on the driver !
This time the driver missed you , but will you be so lucky next time ?
Hurray this time success !!
Hurray this time success !!
Can we have Mr Griffin’s
Can we have Mr Griffin’s email address please?
Being cyclist and a driver,
Being cyclist and a driver, and therefore up in arms about the cost of fuel, £10 a gallon wouldn’t be the end of the world for me, but it would for this cretin’s empire. (No, I’m not condoning higher fuel prices, but every cloud and all that….)
carl j wrote:Being cyclist
It won’t be long…
‘The rest of us occupying
‘The rest of us occupying this roadspace….are paying extortionate amounts of taxes on our vehicle purchase, parking, servicing, insurance and road tax.’
Eh? But cyclists don’t use up parking space! They DO pay for servicing (??? – what a weird comment) and often insurance as well. They don’t need the same insurance as car drivers anyway. And, as mentioned above, there’s no such thing as ‘road tax’: there is ‘excise duty’ which you pay to use certain damaging vehicles on publicly funded roads. Bikes are not included in this, they don’t pollute or use the same roads or features of roads that motor vehicles do. These comments don’t make any sense.
I dont expect I shall add any
I dont expect I shall add any more to the justifiable outrage over this. It has been my experience as a cyclist and a motorist in London that since the Addison Lee cabs took to the roads London has gained a public enemy. I would also note that incitement to break the law is itself breaking the law – why hasnt Mr Griffin been locked up?
I’ve just posted a brand new
I’ve just posted a brand new blog entry looking (tangentially) at this issue and what it can tell us about the complex relationship between cyclists, motorists and money. It’s here: http://invisiblevisibleman.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/general-theory-of-cycling-motorists-and.html