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Heated words in Yorkshire as two events hit same stretch of road at same time

What happens when a sportive meets a road race coming the other way? Some heated tempers, a bit of shouting, and the odd cyclist ignoring instructions, thereby putting themselves and other riders in danger, according to this video shot in North Yorkshire at the weekend.

With the Yorkshire Region Road Race Championship about to turn the corner from Saxton onto the A162 Tadcaster Road, one marshal can be seen stopping traffic to allow the race to pass safely.

But it’s the other marshal, out of camera, who has his hands full as some of the sportive riders ignore instructions to get off the road – one man in a green, blue and white striped Kelme kit putting himself in a position where he could have caused a serious crash.

The sportive those riders are taking part in appears to be the Cyclothon, organised by the Prince of Wales Hospice in Pontefract and with a route that took riders north along the A162 and past the Saxton turning.

It’s unclear how the two events came to be on the same road at the same time but it does appear that there was a breakdown in communication somewhere along the line.

Like the Yorkshire Region Road Race Championship, the sportive took place on Sunday 18 May and both events are listed on the British Cycling website.

It would not have been difficult for the respective organsiers to become aware of another event in the same area and liaise with each other to check there was no route conflict.

There have been similar incidents in the past – albeit not captured on video – a reflection of the growing popularity of both road racing and sportive riding, leading to growth in the number of events, although mechanisms are in place to avoid such conflict.

The road race was subject to a Traffic Regulation Order, allowing marshals to halt traffic, and which would have needed authorisation from police and the relevant local authorities, as outlined in British Cycling’s Road Race Organiser’s Guide.

The sportive organisers would also have needed to have notified such bodies of their plans, as well as checking for potential conflicts with other events. In its Cycle Sportive Event Guidelines, British Cycling says:

When choosing a route, consider any other events that are scheduled to be using the designated roads on that day. Examples include running, triathlon, village, or town based events, parades, etc as well as any other cycle events.

It is therefore recommended that the local authorities, highways and the Police are notified of any proposed events in the early planning stages, as they may also offer information of other planned events, which may not have been noticed, or are yet to be publicised. If route clashes are apparent it is the organiser’s responsibility to take the necessary measures to ensure their event can run safely and not unreasonably impact on local communities. A list of most cycle events can be found at British Cycling’s online events calendar and should be checked regularly across all disciplines for events on and around the proposed event day. This may be accessed from www.britishcycling.org.uk/events British Cycling encourages organisers to work together and agree alternative event days or a change of route being considered to avoid event conflict.

 

Born in Scotland, Simon moved to London aged seven and now lives in the Oxfordshire Cotswolds with his miniature schnauzer, Elodie. He fell in love with cycling one Saturday morning in 1994 while living in Italy when Milan-San Remo went past his front door. A daily cycle commuter in London back before riding to work started to boom, he's been news editor at road.cc since 2009. Handily for work, he speaks French and Italian. He doesn't get to ride his Colnago as often as he'd like, and freely admits he's much more adept at cooking than fettling with bikes.

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Beefy [376 posts] 2 years ago
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The motorcyclist would be best learning to control is bike without trailing his feet,he must have passed his test in the old days. As for the sportive riders who wouldn't stop, speechless.

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Dr.Galactus [18 posts] 2 years ago
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What the fudge was the green hipster thinking!? That's BMW driver level sense of entitlement.

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minnellium [86 posts] 2 years ago
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Cycling Weekly - whose side are you on?  7

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Dave Ody [20 posts] 2 years ago
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how dare those road racers destroy stripey's attempt at that strava segment.

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vorsprung [280 posts] 2 years ago
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It's mind bending the behaviour of the sportive riders at 1:40 in the video. Especially the guy in the green and white stripey top

They should be banned from all events

But of course there is no regulating body for sportives so this isn't going to happen

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dave2041 [22 posts] 2 years ago
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Christ on a bike i feared for the racers safety when the blue and white striped moron rode in the middle of the lane... What on earth was he thinking!

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VecchioJo [396 posts] 2 years ago
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Yorkshire Divs sportive

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usedtobefaster [172 posts] 2 years ago
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Dr.Galactus wrote:

What the fudge was the green hipster thinking!? That's BMW driver level sense of entitlement.

+1

The lack of common sense of some people is unbelievable, this idiot could have caused a serious accident.

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andyp [1448 posts] 2 years ago
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absolute idiots.

Still some people seem to think that a sportive is a race, huh...

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pmr [197 posts] 2 years ago
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lol.
This is why cyclists whether sportive riders or racers should join a club, and marshal a few events, including TTs and Road Races, so they know the score.
That was entertaining anyway, the complete muppett was the guy in the green riding straight down head on into the race.
He should be banned from the sportives in future.

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Shamblesuk [146 posts] 2 years ago
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Stripey didn't have a helmet on either which I'm surprised to see at a properly organised sportive.

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Shamblesuk [146 posts] 2 years ago
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"Yer prat" haha

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pmr [197 posts] 2 years ago
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Thinking about it, those guys riding through should get done, for dangerous riding or whatever the offence is. If they were in their cars they would have stopped so maybe they should get points.

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edster99 [336 posts] 2 years ago
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It's getting harder and harder not to start stereotyping the riding qualities of 'sportivists'. But I shall keep resisting.

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adrianoconnor [83 posts] 2 years ago
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I can't believe the guy who was arguing with the marshall! He was being such an absolute tool!

"They're riding an event, same as them. You're just shouting at them."

"Because he rode through a road closed sign!"

"Arrgh, you've always got an excuse".

Really felt for the guy who was trying to control the traffic. He did well not to lose it  1

And the guy in the striped top with the stupid backwards cycling cap was a disgrace to cycling. Why would you even WANT to be on the road against the flow of 50 bikes coming the other way?!

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andyp [1448 posts] 2 years ago
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well said Rupert.

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Rupert [189 posts] 2 years ago
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Omg  102 ok here goes just because I have seen this video it doesn't mean I know the full facts. I am only going by what I have seen and heard in this video.

But going by the video, I would presume that some rider numbers of the sportive riders have been taken and letters have been sent out to them to inform them that they will not be welcomed again at next years version of this cyclosportive.

As for the argument between what seems is the marshal and a rider. The marshal had every right to raise his voice. When the riders purposely, presumably ignored his command to stop.

They didn't want to stop ........some didn't even keep to the left when they saw the race coming.

I would agree with Dr Galactus what was that hipster thinking ? ? ?

Maybe all cyclosportive organisers should be adding more terms and conditions to their ever growing list of conditions to try and keep everybody safe.  2

Any suggestions on this matter will be welcomed I will be watching with interest. It would be good to have the opinion of the marshal and especially the guy that was arguing with the marshal.

I put it to the guy that was arguing with the marshal that he was being unfair to the marshal who was doing his best to make sure that both sportive riders and racers weren't hurt.

It's no good saying that you are an experienced cyclist, road racer etc etc, having a go at a marshal that is obviously shouting because he is worried for the safety of others is .......... well it show that said person arguing with the marshal is either short sighted or hasn't a clue what could of happened in this instance if the marshal didn't continue shouting and insisting ! that riders at least use the pavement.

 41 well done to that marshal, it's not an easy job sometimes. You can only inform in a lot of cases if they don't want to listen then what more can you do. Thank you for doing you best under the circumstances.

open door now .......... to the guy who was complaining to the marshal to come back to be and tell me how it really was. I feel that there was no need to have a go at the marshal. Tell me I am wrong.... as I might be, as I wasn't there. If I am not wrong help us all and apologise to the marshal.

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FurnaceMedia [19 posts] 2 years ago
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The potential for a huge crash was massive.. not sure why the road marshall didn't get them to get onto the pavement sooner, (although you can hear him trying) but just goes to show how many idiots are on bicycles in sportives or charity rides and think the rules don't apply to them. is it almost getting to the point now where ride marshalls need to be implemented on these events perhaps?

The rolling road block applies to cars & bicycles.

This is a case of the left hand and right hand not communicating at British Cycling.

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FurnaceMedia [19 posts] 2 years ago
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Marshalling is a thankless task, having a go at them is not on, without them events don't happen.

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OldRidgeback [2620 posts] 2 years ago
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Poor communications between the race and sportive organisers for sure. Mr Stripey top needs to be taken aside and told how to ride safely. A ban from future sportives wouldn't be inappropriate. The same goes for any rider arguing with a marshall. It's not as if the delay was particularly long.

As for the BMW rider, there are a lot of Ewan Macgregor wannabees on those these days.

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workhard [397 posts] 2 years ago
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Hilarious. Genuinely laughing out loud to the soundtrack.

Faux racers on a sportive encounter real racers head on. But, of course, the faux racers won't obey the rules of the road, even the temporary rules imposed to ensure the safety of other cyclists in a real race...

Seems to sum up the mindset of the large fraction of sportive lemmings pretty well.

The real racers of course just avoided the dullards and carried on as if nowt were appnin!

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VecchioJo [396 posts] 2 years ago
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if Mr Disembodied ShoutyVoice *had* organised and been in that many races he would have understood the importance of a marshall, and why you should listen to them, they're usually there for a reason

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tc14 [1 post] 2 years ago
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andyp wrote:

absolute idiots.

Still some people seem to think that a sportive is a race, huh...

Took the words right out of my mouth. I ride sportives, I enjoy them, but I'm also aware that the AREN'T a race. Sure I have an idea of a time I would like, but if I'm asked to stop or need to stop then I will. If I don't get my time because I had to stop for something, then that's just the way it goes, I still enjoy my day regardless. People like this do my head in.

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Rupert [189 posts] 2 years ago
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The worrying thing is that the guy arguing with the marshal is a past / maybe present organisers of road races.

Anyway I don't want to be too hard on people - it's too easy to make comments on forums which are basically uninformed, and this is maybe just a snipet of what really happened.

I would love it though if stripy shirt guy saw this and gave his opinion of what happened. It's would be nice to understand what really happened here from people who were there. Even when he is riding head on in to the peloton he seems oblivious to the danger  1

Maybe their wasn't enough signage warning the sportive riders to stop........ I don't know. But they really weren't listening to the marshal.

Note to diary: arm all marshals with video cameras at next sportive event.  39 I kid you not

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woodrz [5 posts] 2 years ago
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"Yorkshire Divs Road Race" - says it all.

SURELY the riders had been told before hand?

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SideBurn [890 posts] 2 years ago
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So the car drivers sit there patiently while the cyclists behave like dickheads.... now I am depressed.
But, "I've done 54 races me" Great quote....

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gazzaputt [215 posts] 2 years ago
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Hate to say but this manner of riding is typical to sportive events.

Seems to attract bloody minded cyclists who think rules of the road do not apply to them when riding such events. A lot seem to think they are riding closed roads they ride. They also think it's a 'race'. Funny they encountered a real race.

If any of them who ignored the closed road sign have a club jersey then they should be banned from futures events.

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jssb [2 posts] 2 years ago
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It is tricky, as we must not put people off riding or try to make it too elitist.

However, A lot of Sportive riders seem to think that the rules of the road do not apply when on a sportive.
I have seen such bad riding on sportives lately and you know that the riders would simply not replicate it when riding alone.
We have christened it the Peloton effect.

To the riders ignoring the Marshall, would you ride across a level crossing with the barriers down too?

Sportives are becoming very dangerous places to ride, lack of helmets seems to be quite common as does the use of Tri bars, it is only going to be a matter of time before a bad accident forces tighter regulation to the detriment of all.

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SideBurn [890 posts] 2 years ago
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You have said it jssb, I do like riding sportives, a bit of nostalgia for me.
I suspect that a few will go from riding sportives to full on road races, they are a great idea and good for cycling.
BUT, some of the behaviour and poor skill I see is stunning; like a cyclist overtaking another who was turning right and a small group urinating against someone's front gate. Then the gel wrappers.....
'The Peloton Effect.....  19

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matt1705 [4 posts] 2 years ago
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Looks like stripey got some karmic justice, at 1:55 I'm sure I can see his back wheel topple as he tries to stop by the pavement?

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