What happens when a sportive meets a road race coming the other way? Some heated tempers, a bit of shouting, and the odd cyclist ignoring instructions, thereby putting themselves and other riders in danger, according to this video shot in North Yorkshire at the weekend.
With the Yorkshire Region Road Race Championship about to turn the corner from Saxton onto the A162 Tadcaster Road, one marshal can be seen stopping traffic to allow the race to pass safely.
But it’s the other marshal, out of camera, who has his hands full as some of the sportive riders ignore instructions to get off the road – one man in a green, blue and white striped Kelme kit putting himself in a position where he could have caused a serious crash.
The sportive those riders are taking part in appears to be the Cyclothon, organised by the Prince of Wales Hospice in Pontefract and with a route that took riders north along the A162 and past the Saxton turning.
It’s unclear how the two events came to be on the same road at the same time but it does appear that there was a breakdown in communication somewhere along the line.
Like the Yorkshire Region Road Race Championship, the sportive took place on Sunday 18 May and both events are listed on the British Cycling website.
It would not have been difficult for the respective organsiers to become aware of another event in the same area and liaise with each other to check there was no route conflict.
There have been similar incidents in the past – albeit not captured on video – a reflection of the growing popularity of both road racing and sportive riding, leading to growth in the number of events, although mechanisms are in place to avoid such conflict.
The road race was subject to a Traffic Regulation Order, allowing marshals to halt traffic, and which would have needed authorisation from police and the relevant local authorities, as outlined in British Cycling’s Road Race Organiser’s Guide.
The sportive organisers would also have needed to have notified such bodies of their plans, as well as checking for potential conflicts with other events. In its Cycle Sportive Event Guidelines, British Cycling says:
When choosing a route, consider any other events that are scheduled to be using the designated roads on that day. Examples include running, triathlon, village, or town based events, parades, etc as well as any other cycle events.
It is therefore recommended that the local authorities, highways and the Police are notified of any proposed events in the early planning stages, as they may also offer information of other planned events, which may not have been noticed, or are yet to be publicised. If route clashes are apparent it is the organiser’s responsibility to take the necessary measures to ensure their event can run safely and not unreasonably impact on local communities. A list of most cycle events can be found at British Cycling’s online events calendar and should be checked regularly across all disciplines for events on and around the proposed event day. This may be accessed from www.britishcycling.org.uk/events British Cycling encourages organisers to work together and agree alternative event days or a change of route being considered to avoid event conflict.




















84 thoughts on “Video: What happens when a sportive meets a road race coming the other way?”
The motorcyclist would be
The motorcyclist would be best learning to control is bike without trailing his feet,he must have passed his test in the old days. As for the sportive riders who wouldn’t stop, speechless.
What the fudge was the green
What the fudge was the green hipster thinking!? That’s BMW driver level sense of entitlement.
Dr.Galactus wrote:What the
+1
The lack of common sense of some people is unbelievable, this idiot could have caused a serious accident.
Cycling Weekly – whose side
Cycling Weekly – whose side are you on? :/
how dare those road racers
how dare those road racers destroy stripey’s attempt at that strava segment.
It’s mind bending the
It’s mind bending the behaviour of the sportive riders at 1:40 in the video. Especially the guy in the green and white stripey top
They should be banned from all events
But of course there is no regulating body for sportives so this isn’t going to happen
Christ on a bike i feared for
Christ on a bike i feared for the racers safety when the blue and white striped moron rode in the middle of the lane… What on earth was he thinking!
Yorkshire Divs sportive
Yorkshire Divs sportive
absolute idiots.
Still some
absolute idiots.
Still some people seem to think that a sportive is a race, huh…
andyp wrote:absolute
Took the words right out of my mouth. I ride sportives, I enjoy them, but I’m also aware that the AREN’T a race. Sure I have an idea of a time I would like, but if I’m asked to stop or need to stop then I will. If I don’t get my time because I had to stop for something, then that’s just the way it goes, I still enjoy my day regardless. People like this do my head in.
lol.
This is why cyclists
lol.
This is why cyclists whether sportive riders or racers should join a club, and marshal a few events, including TTs and Road Races, so they know the score.
That was entertaining anyway, the complete muppett was the guy in the green riding straight down head on into the race.
He should be banned from the sportives in future.
Stripey didn’t have a helmet
Stripey didn’t have a helmet on either which I’m surprised to see at a properly organised sportive.
“Yer prat” haha
“Yer prat” haha
Thinking about it, those guys
Thinking about it, those guys riding through should get done, for dangerous riding or whatever the offence is. If they were in their cars they would have stopped so maybe they should get points.
It’s getting harder and
It’s getting harder and harder not to start stereotyping the riding qualities of ‘sportivists’. But I shall keep resisting.
I can’t believe the guy who
I can’t believe the guy who was arguing with the marshall! He was being such an absolute tool!
“They’re riding an event, same as them. You’re just shouting at them.”
“Because he rode through a road closed sign!”
“Arrgh, you’ve always got an excuse”.
Really felt for the guy who was trying to control the traffic. He did well not to lose it 🙂
And the guy in the striped top with the stupid backwards cycling cap was a disgrace to cycling. Why would you even WANT to be on the road against the flow of 50 bikes coming the other way?!
well said Rupert.
well said Rupert.
Omg ok here goes just
Omg ~X( ok here goes just because I have seen this video it doesn’t mean I know the full facts. I am only going by what I have seen and heard in this video.
But going by the video, I would presume that some rider numbers of the sportive riders have been taken and letters have been sent out to them to inform them that they will not be welcomed again at next years version of this cyclosportive.
As for the argument between what seems is the marshal and a rider. The marshal had every right to raise his voice. When the riders purposely, presumably ignored his command to stop.
They didn’t want to stop ……..some didn’t even keep to the left when they saw the race coming.
I would agree with Dr Galactus what was that hipster thinking ? ? ?
Maybe all cyclosportive organisers should be adding more terms and conditions to their ever growing list of conditions to try and keep everybody safe. 🙁
Any suggestions on this matter will be welcomed I will be watching with interest. It would be good to have the opinion of the marshal and especially the guy that was arguing with the marshal.
I put it to the guy that was arguing with the marshal that he was being unfair to the marshal who was doing his best to make sure that both sportive riders and racers weren’t hurt.
It’s no good saying that you are an experienced cyclist, road racer etc etc, having a go at a marshal that is obviously shouting because he is worried for the safety of others is ………. well it show that said person arguing with the marshal is either short sighted or hasn’t a clue what could of happened in this instance if the marshal didn’t continue shouting and insisting ! that riders at least use the pavement.
=D> well done to that marshal, it’s not an easy job sometimes. You can only inform in a lot of cases if they don’t want to listen then what more can you do. Thank you for doing you best under the circumstances.
open door now ………. to the guy who was complaining to the marshal to come back to be and tell me how it really was. I feel that there was no need to have a go at the marshal. Tell me I am wrong…. as I might be, as I wasn’t there. If I am not wrong help us all and apologise to the marshal.
Marshalling is a thankless
Marshalling is a thankless task, having a go at them is not on, without them events don’t happen.
The potential for a huge
The potential for a huge crash was massive.. not sure why the road marshall didn’t get them to get onto the pavement sooner, (although you can hear him trying) but just goes to show how many idiots are on bicycles in sportives or charity rides and think the rules don’t apply to them. is it almost getting to the point now where ride marshalls need to be implemented on these events perhaps?
The rolling road block applies to cars & bicycles.
This is a case of the left hand and right hand not communicating at British Cycling.
FurnaceMedia wrote:just goes
Please do not lump sportive and charity rides together. I’ve done both and they’re worlds apart. Some sportives raise money for charity, but they’re not charity rides. Charity rides are the fun ones, with no timing and often special features like quiz sheets or fancy dress.
Poor communications between
Poor communications between the race and sportive organisers for sure. Mr Stripey top needs to be taken aside and told how to ride safely. A ban from future sportives wouldn’t be inappropriate. The same goes for any rider arguing with a marshall. It’s not as if the delay was particularly long.
As for the BMW rider, there are a lot of Ewan Macgregor wannabees on those these days.
Hilarious. Genuinely laughing
Hilarious. Genuinely laughing out loud to the soundtrack.
Faux racers on a sportive encounter real racers head on. But, of course, the faux racers won’t obey the rules of the road, even the temporary rules imposed to ensure the safety of other cyclists in a real race…
Seems to sum up the mindset of the large fraction of sportive lemmings pretty well.
The real racers of course just avoided the dullards and carried on as if nowt were appnin!
if Mr Disembodied ShoutyVoice
if Mr Disembodied ShoutyVoice *had* organised and been in that many races he would have understood the importance of a marshall, and why you should listen to them, they’re usually there for a reason
The worrying thing is that
The worrying thing is that the guy arguing with the marshal is a past / maybe present organisers of road races.
Anyway I don’t want to be too hard on people – it’s too easy to make comments on forums which are basically uninformed, and this is maybe just a snipet of what really happened.
I would love it though if stripy shirt guy saw this and gave his opinion of what happened. It’s would be nice to understand what really happened here from people who were there. Even when he is riding head on in to the peloton he seems oblivious to the danger 🙂
Maybe their wasn’t enough signage warning the sportive riders to stop…….. I don’t know. But they really weren’t listening to the marshal.
Note to diary: arm all marshals with video cameras at next sportive event. 😕 I kid you not
“Yorkshire Divs Road Race” –
“Yorkshire Divs Road Race” – says it all.
SURELY the riders had been told before hand?
So the car drivers sit there
So the car drivers sit there patiently while the cyclists behave like dickheads…. now I am depressed.
But, “I’ve done 54 races me” Great quote….
Hate to say but this manner
Hate to say but this manner of riding is typical to sportive events.
Seems to attract bloody minded cyclists who think rules of the road do not apply to them when riding such events. A lot seem to think they are riding closed roads they ride. They also think it’s a ‘race’. Funny they encountered a real race.
If any of them who ignored the closed road sign have a club jersey then they should be banned from futures events.
It is tricky, as we must not
It is tricky, as we must not put people off riding or try to make it too elitist.
However, A lot of Sportive riders seem to think that the rules of the road do not apply when on a sportive.
I have seen such bad riding on sportives lately and you know that the riders would simply not replicate it when riding alone.
We have christened it the Peloton effect.
To the riders ignoring the Marshall, would you ride across a level crossing with the barriers down too?
Sportives are becoming very dangerous places to ride, lack of helmets seems to be quite common as does the use of Tri bars, it is only going to be a matter of time before a bad accident forces tighter regulation to the detriment of all.
You have said it jssb, I do
You have said it jssb, I do like riding sportives, a bit of nostalgia for me.
I suspect that a few will go from riding sportives to full on road races, they are a great idea and good for cycling.
BUT, some of the behaviour and poor skill I see is stunning; like a cyclist overtaking another who was turning right and a small group urinating against someone’s front gate. Then the gel wrappers…..
‘The Peloton Effect….. 👿
Looks like stripey got some
Looks like stripey got some karmic justice, at 1:55 I’m sure I can see his back wheel topple as he tries to stop by the pavement?
May be a daft question but
May be a daft question but has anyone got a sportive planned in Yorkshire on 5th July?
I wish someone had taken the
I wish someone had taken the guy in the Kelme kit out, what on earth was he thinking? He then moved into the middle of the lane
Gkam84 wrote:I wish someone
Yeah. That would *really* have helped.
Another non-story from
Another non-story from road.cc…..
The sportive riders are under no obligation to “get off the “road” aka public highways”, if they want to race on public highways hen i suggest they learn to share.
-10000/10 road.cc
Could you sink any lower?
All the of people who think
All the of people who think the sportive riders were in the “wrong” are clearly the road.cc sheep / fascists brigade.
Baa Baa.
A generalization I know but,
A generalization I know but, there are too many sportive riders who can’t ride a bike properly in a group let alone understand the etiquette.
And when some of them get fit enough to race they will not be told and therefore never learn what I learnt on a traditional “club run”.
festival wrote:A
I think you are falling into the ‘them and us’ trap here. A bit like motorists calling cyclists twats and vice versa.
Assuming that people ride sportives because they are not man enough to ride a proper race is not helpful here.
Brain dead. Demerits all
Brain dead. Demerits all ’round.
Cyclists giving cyclists a
Cyclists giving cyclists a bad name, thanks a million guys.
Not wanting to defend the
Not wanting to defend the sportive riders too much, but has anyone considered that they simply didn’t realise there was another event on?
Imagine you are on an organised sportive and you see road signs saying [i]”Road Temporarily Closed for Cycling Event”[/i] or some such. It would not be entirely unreasonable to think that might be for the event you are doing and just carry on.
No excuse for ignoring the marshal of course, but it might explain the confusion.
Ultimately the organisers on both sides should have been aware of the other event and sorted things out between themselves, not left it to the marshals and mamils.
I first thought this
I first thought this hilarious but then not a great advert for either side (stripey definitely not excepted). Our store http://www.meccanicacycles.com is on a more than a few sportive/race routes and we are working with British Cycling to train ride leaders. Follow us @meccanicacycles to find out more.
I first thought this
I first thought this hilarious but then not a great advert for either side (stripey definitely not excepted). Our store http://www.meccanicacycles.com is on a more than a few sportive/race routes and we are working with British Cycling to train ride leaders. Follow us @meccanicacycles to find out more.
I first thought this
I first thought this hilarious but then not a great advert for either side (stripey definitely not excepted). Our store http://www.meccanicacycles.com is on a more than a few sportive/race routes and we are working with British Cycling to train ride leaders. Follow us @meccanicacycles to find out more.
If the race was being run
If the race was being run under Accredited Marshal rules then anyone (driver or cyclist) ignoring an instruction to stop is liable to prosecution.
I wonder if any of those
I wonder if any of those “Sportive” (yet not all that ‘sporting’) riders read road.cc?
A message to them if they do; I hope you feel wonderful about putting peoples lives in danger to satisfy your own sense of entitlement.
Elitism between racers and general leisure riders annoys the hell out of me but when it comes to people blatantly disrespecting the sport simply because they’ve paid a few pop it literally takes the mick.
I can’t believe some of the words used towards that marshal too.
These aren’t cyclists, they’re pricks on bikes. ‘Cycling’ implies a degree of sportsmanship.
Last Sportive I did I had
Last Sportive I did I had someone go into the back of me when I stopped at some traffic lights.
That video about sums up my experience.
Respect to the Marshall.
Respect to the Marshall. Marshalled myself a few times. It’s 99% boredom and 1% ‘Oh shit decision time..’ He made the right decision and probably saved lives or serious injury.
If you want to race learn how to ride in a group. Sportive riding is not racing. If you’re in a sportive – great. Good for you. But when a Marshall start screaming at you do as you’re f**king well told.
54 races? Surely 54 is his IQ?
just seen a post on facebook
just seen a post on facebook from someone who was there – the seems to be that the ‘marshal’ just jumped out in front the riders telling them to stop, i got the impression that he couldnt tell whether he was a marshal or just a member of the public – obviously you can’t tell from the vid but if thats the case and there were no signs warning of a race the raised voices seem appropriate. The yorkshire accent is dead funny though :))
Marshal: “There’s a bike race
Marshal: “There’s a bike race coming through”
(Sportive) Rider: “Aye, I’m part of it”
Eyes are streaming…….
Good grief, what has cycling
Good grief, what has cycling become..?
Two questions –
1. Why were
Two questions –
1. Why were two events taking place on the same road?
2. Unless the road was closed to traffic, shouldn’t both events have been confined to their own left lane? Every race I’ve been involved with on an unclosed road has stipulated that riders should not cross the central white line. I presume same rule should apply to all sportives on unclosed roads?
Aminthule wrote:Two questions
Well, normally the authorities would know. However, sportives don’t have a lot in the way of obligations – I’ve even known for a “real” race to be cancelled because a sportive went through the route and the police can cancel the race but not the sportive.
Re. being on the left: any vehicle can cross a dashed centreline to overtake (although some BC regions have been funny about racers doing this). Also I haven’t seen the video but on corners riders will swing wide – marshalls should stop the traffic coming from head-on precisely because of this.
Two questions –
1. Why were
Two questions –
1. Why were two events taking place on the same road?
2. Unless the road was closed to traffic, shouldn’t both events have been confined to their own left lane? Every race I’ve been involved with on an unclosed road has stipulated that riders should not cross the central white line. I presume same rule should apply to all sportives on unclosed roads?
That Kelme rider is a total
That Kelme rider is a total idiot 8|
Its Audax rides for me.
Statement from BC, RR was
Statement from BC, RR was registered, Sportive wasn’t, regulation needed.
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/sportives/sportive-news/british-cycling-calls-sportive-regulation-road-race-clash-video-123905
Ooooo.
I rode that
Ooooo.
I rode that sportive.
The first I heard about the race was at a checkpoint a little further back down that road (there were three routes; 20+ 30ish and 60miles), and then saw them just after this turning as they sped past on the other side, but there was no mention at the start, so I’m guessing the organisers MIGHT not have known. The event gets police support with road closures at the start and St John’s Ambulance. It’s been running for years on that weekend in May. There’s electronic timing, a wee arena back at Pontefract Race Course and warning signs along some stretches of the route.
There’s no excuse for getting rude and shirty with the marshal, they are great and in bright tabbards. It is possible the road closed sign was not prominently displayed, or as someone above said, mistaken for Cyclothon signage, but a couple of people waving arms and saying stop should have done the trick (though there are places where you simply do not stop if strangers leap out and get all wavey – they punch you!).
I have met stripey-man and he seems a nice bloke, of retired age – he might not have heard? It was alarming the lack of forward vision some riders displayed though! Darwinian!
So, apologies to the marshals on behalf of the other riders and to the racers too, a few of whom I know in passing.
this is the issue with acc
this is the issue with acc marshalling, riders have assumed that the roads are clear, it could easily have been a truck that ignored the marshal, to late that the driver may be prosecuted.
the RR was on the wrong side of the road, the sportive riders should have obeyed the marshall but the RR was also riding as if on closed roads.
where was the BC REO? the RCA? that 2 events shared the roads at the same time was asking for trouble, a row of cones for the sportive riders and a pre race brief would have prevented all this.
Correction: I said the
Correction: I said the sportive was ‘officially sanctioned’. According to piersnewland, it was not.
It just gets better and better…
Total confusion seems to have
Total confusion seems to have reigned for a few seconds, though after the first bunch came through what were the others thinking of!! My favourite bit is when the marshal shouts ‘There’s a bike race coming through’ to which one of the sportive riders replies ‘Yeah, I’m part of it’ …!!
Ok Aminthule. Here’s how it’s
Ok Aminthule. Here’s how it’s supposed to work in Britain:
Sportive: Almost always open roads. Riders have to obey the usual laws and be aware of the traffic which they will be riding amongst. If participants (note NOT competitors) are lucky, the organisers may have some marshalls dotted around the course and/or some motorbike support. Legally, it’s a bit like a Sunday ride, but in a really big crowd.
Road race: All UK road races have some level of protection. Usually a couple of cars including the commisaire’s (Chief Judge). There will be a car just behind the race (with flashing lights and a big sign) and a car at the front (lights, big sign). There are also marshalls for corners and junctions. Some races like this one apply for a Traffic Regulation Order, which, as you see from the video, allows the organisers to stop the traffic at certain points. Also, if they have enough marshalls and motorbikes police cooperation and budget, they can run a closed cell system which closes the section of road the main part of the race is currently in. This is how the Tour of Britain operates. When the road is (theoretically) closed as it was at this junction, competitors are able to use its full width. This usually means a nice fast (and safe) corner. As long as there aren’t any Herberts from a different event ignoring the marshall of course.
Anyone who’s ridden both a fair bit won’t need the above explaining. To ride they are a million miles apart, as you can tell even in that short video.
And in case anyone’s confused by what’s going on in the vid., the riders coming round the corner across the entire road and deftly and without complaint missing Suicide Sid in the Kelme jersey are competitors racing an officially sanctioned British Cycling Road Race. The folks facing them on the left arguing and making all the noise are the sportive riders riding an officially sanctioned sportive. Both are legitimate cycling events, but, crucially, they are very different things.
Competitive bike racing has been a feature of British roads long before Sportives were dreamed up in response to the rise in popularity of leisure cycling. In itself this is great, but it would be a real shame if the antics of a few idiots, of which there are growing numbers turning up to ride sportives, got it all regulated off the roads.
The cretin in the striped
The cretin in the striped jersey seems to fall off? Isn’t this just a reflection of society really, cycling isn’t immune to selfish and / or stupid idiots unfortunately.
Shocking display from this
Shocking display from this “Sportive”, what a load of nobbers.
Leodis wrote:Shocking display
Shocking generalisation from Leodis. What a thick ****.
How’s that feel? Nice isn’t it!
(I’ve never ridden a sportive btw, I just think the attitude of some peoplel posting on here completely stinks).
I think there was genuine
I think there was genuine misunderstanding on the part of the sportive riders listen to the first guy’s comments. Being rude to folk is not OK though.
Which brings me to some of the comments about sportive riders. Generalisations are not helpful. I’ve competed against/alongside pros and Olympians and licenced amateurs (been thrashed!) and found most lovely, but some arrogant twats. I remember both, some would only recall the bad.
Stripey guy is at least 60 if I remember rightly. I am sure he is mortified by his error of judgement.
Still seems some confusion
Still seems some confusion above about the sportive being sanctioned by BC. If it was the coordinator wants a sharp word . If not it proves that these commercial events, whilst fun for those taking part, need control.
Actually I have misgivings about commercial events being allowed to be on the road in this form as I refuse to believe that good manners and common sense take precedent over income. When I see a sportive of any size making no money, as smaller one do, then I will be less sceptical.
It seems as if that bit of road was closed so the racers had every right to ride kerb to kerb.
what amazes me is that the sportive riders didn’t instantly do as they were asked and stop. Isn’t that just plain good manners, even if the request is unjustified.?
This is just one reason why many people are anti these sorts of events. My dislike is for another reason. bloody litter, both from the riders in the form of gel wrappers and posters etc left up after the event, especially from commercial events. the route closer should remove them minutes after the last man not leave them for months or years like the Damn Wiggle events round here.
This only confirms what all
This only confirms what all roadies think of sportive riders………….they don’t have a clue!
Don’t think it’s owt to do
Don’t think it’s owt to do with sportive riders bigging their part up and ignoring the marshalls I think it’s just a case of some people developing tunnel vision.
If you’ve ever worked in a hazardous industry that takes place in public places (construction, road maintenance, tree felling etc. ) some folks will blindly wander past any warning signs, people, barriers or whatever just to get to where they want to go.
As for the idiot who stopped and argued the toss throughout the clip and stopped the marshall from effectively doing his job – I hope they’ve seen the video and had time to reflect.
Just settle down lads and
Just settle down lads and have a nice cup of Tetley’s tea…
I read the whole thread of
I read the whole thread of comments before watching the vid so I am somewhat underwhelmed.
Nothing much happens. The sportive riders mainly pull in to the side and wait. One guy doesn’t but then does when he sees what’s happening. He’s probably more dopey than arrogant. Everyone then gets on with their lives presumably, apart from unseen grumbly guy who’s probably still chuntering on to himself.
Coming from Lancashire its
Coming from Lancashire its great to hear two Yorkshiremen going at it. =))
Stereotypically, Yorkshiremen are never wrong, just big heads! 😀
I did feel a bit sorry for the marshal though. =D>
Lets hope the TdF has no such cock ups. Now, if we were doing it on the best side of the Pennines say in Manchester, or Liverpool, Wigan or Preston……… 😕
Bit underwhelming when you
Bit underwhelming when you view the vid. Main problem is the routes crossed, and people got confused which cycling event the marshals were covering. An organisational problem.
I’ve had to deal with
I’ve had to deal with sportive riders whilst marshalling a race but they were all receptive and understanding. Gladly I’ve never encountered people like those in the video (yet), but I’m disappointed that I have never been called ‘sunbeam’!
Yeah lets enter a
Yeah lets enter a sportive!!
We get to bimble around 5 abreast chucking our gel wrappers in the hedge just like real racers.
See my number?!! Yeah, imma racing, better get out my way.
Sportives are where it’s at.
Doesn’t spoil anything for real cyclist, watcha talking about?…You’re an idiot. Bet you never even done a sportive.
You can tell a Yorkshireman,
You can tell a Yorkshireman, but you can’t tell him much.
There are a couple of people
There are a couple of people on here suggesting that the road race shouldn’t have been on the wrong side of the road. Unless I’m mistaken though the road closure is in both directions, suggesting that everyone involved in organising it knows it’s a fast corner that needs a clear road.
Seems pretty obvious who is at fault.
Dear Roadies,
Some of the
Dear Roadies,
Some of the abusive comments on this thread about other cyclists based purely on what event they chose to do to enjoy their saturday afternoon make me utterly ashamed to be associated with road biking.
Go and read your own rule book, many of you for the first time by the sound of it. Skip to Rule 20.12.2 if you find the whole document too much of a challenge, but bear in mind, your licence includes a statement that you understand and agree to obey all 34 pages worth.
Having done so I would hope that some of you go back and read what you have posted above in a new light. Many of you should be posting apologies for your comments.
But just in case you are still too short-sighted to understand;
Get lost you bunch of arrogant twats!
The road race has no right to infringe into the lane of oncoming traffic. Even if they are ‘expecting’ a closed junction it is still absolutely their own responsibility to be aware of all the conditions, any road furniture, and any other road users and to take the corner safely. Whether that was a group of sportive riders, or a truck driver that ignores the marshall, or if it is a fallen tree, or a random old man on a mobility scooter (see the women’s tour of UK last week for that one) it is still up to the riders to behave in a safe manner and to obey the laws of the road at all times.
As for the abuse some of you have thrown at Sportive riders in general. You should try taking your heads out of your arse for a while. Just because you like one part of the sport and they like another doesn’t make you better than them. Just because you go a bit faster certainly doesn’t.
I was in the road race and
I was in the road race and can vouch for the organisers. It was very well marshalled and very well organised. There were plenty of clear signs were up several days in advance “advance warning of road race” with date of event at each junction. The couple of idiots who ignored the marshalls should be ashamed, take a step back and realise they were very wrong and openly apologise. If they don’t it says even more about them than others have already said. Luckily there was no crash. This is nothing to do with sportive riders v road race riders. This is just about a couple of head strong cyclists that made a big error and total fools of themselves as the video shows. There were also members of public who witnessed these individuals clearly ignore the marshals who were trying very hard to protect all groups from an accident.
I though Brian Clough was
I though Brian Clough was dead; despite being 100% wrong and shouting at the poor marshal put in a difficult position, Ol’ Big’Ed didn’t actually get in anyone’s way. It was Kelme who was the real muppet.
It is easy to understand the confusion, the two events shouldn’t have met. Like Kevin says above there seems to be a lot of snobbishness about sportive riders here. SPORTIVES ARE RACES. I put that in big letters so you can read it better. They are timed events from A to B. The idea that ever person who wants to ride in an event can keep up with a peloton and ride in teams is a fallacy. Road racing is a ‘young mans game’ not everyone has the fitness, time to train or join a club, money, equipment to road race. Sportives exist and are so popular because they are races for real people. More people do them than actual races. Are these people to be excluded?
So the idea that people will not be trying to do the course as fast as they possibly can and sometimes going very fast themselves is ridiculous.
Its this notion that sportives aren’t real events that has caused the problem, there should have been NO WAY that these two events could meet, and disregarding sportives and their riders as not ‘proper racers’ has led to this dangerous clash.
Personally I think we need more large sportives on Closed roads to avoid this problem and I only enter closed events. So lets say; closed road sportives are a massive timetrial (still a race) open to the public; open road sportives are an accident waiting to happen.
Incidentally, it’s not just
Incidentally, it’s not just sportives but club runs too that will often ignore an approaching road race.
Accredited marshals may have the legal power to stop and hold non-race traffic but that is not the solution.
In today’s world, the real answer is to apply to your local authority for a road closure order. That can be in the form of a total road closure (usually for smaller circuits) or a rolling road closure.
The former will almost certainly call for a traffic management plan and if the race is likely to attract any sort of a crowd, at least one meeting with the local safety advisory group.
This approach might seem rather daunting at first but you gain confidence and experience the more events you organise. Certainly something that the BC regions or promoting groups should be taking on board. A bit more of a effort is of course required than just twisting the arm of somebody in the club to take on the burden.
The rolling road closure will necessitate hiring a team of police motor-cyclists to precede the race and stop approaching traffic. Apart from Highways Agency Traffic Officers, nobody else will have the authority to do that.
Hiring police need not be that expensive if ACPO guidelines are followed. If your local police force won’t co-operate, find out precisely what other organisations are charged for their services.
Initially, the best way to achieve the closed road scenario for your race is to approach your local parish or district council. Get them on side and you’ll be surprised how things can progress. Road closure orders are normally issued by the county or unitary highways’ authorities and if the event is either linked to a charity or can be classified as a community event there is often no charge.
One of the obvious advantages of a road closure for a cycle race is that all other traffic, whether motor powered or pedal powered is thereby prevented from entering onto the course, including pedestrians and horse riders. That measure will then oblige the sportive organiser to re-route his/her event, rather than the road race organiser.
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Just shows you, even cyclists
Just shows you, even cyclists (in this case sportive riders) can be a bit thick.
If indeed it was this
If indeed it was this sportive/charity ride , https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/events/details/112520/Cyclothon-2014
then one wonders what form the regulation being called for by BC would take and indeed who would administer it, as both these events were registered, insured and entered via BC?
Some years ago there was an Independent association of Sportive Organisers, wonder what became of that
I don’t ride sportives, and
I don’t ride sportives, and don’t race.
Somebody on the sportive committee didn’t post their route or get the race sanctioned, so it’s mainly their fault.
But if you are asked to get off the road because a race is coming , it is common sense to do so to avoid an accident.
I thought the idiot in stripes riding into a race was out of order, and I don’t care if he is 60, a granddad, the nicest person in the world, it was irresponsible.
Has anyone got the video?
Has anyone got the video? Can’t find anywhere on Internet.