Hong Kong-based watersports to bicycles brand NeilPryde says it is retiring the name of its Alizé bike and replacing it with Nazaré with immediate effect due to a copyright dispute with "a well known bike company" – confirmed to road.cc as Specialized.
NeilPryde had announced the news that it was changing the model's name on its website, under the headline Allez, allez Nazaré, leading many to assume that Specialized is the other party.
That was indeed the case, as Mike Pryde, the company's bike division manager, told us. He said: "Specialized's legal representatives in various jurisdictions where they have trademarked 'Allez' wrote to us asking us to stop using the Alizé name as it was in their opinion 'confusingly similar'."
He went on: "NeilPryde never intended to use the name Alizé in order to confuse consumers. In fact, our customers are all well educated and are in our opinion, able to tell the difference between an aluminium bike sold and marketed by Specialized and that of a cutting edge BMW designed carbon fibre bike by NeilPryde under the name Alizé.
"Especially since both Specialized and NeilPryde marks are clearly visible on the product and that Allez and Alizé have completely different meanings. "
road.cc reviewd the Neil Pryde Alize back in 2011 and the Specialized Allez Comp in 2012. Apart from the fact tht one is a carbon bike and the other aluminium the other, and related, major difference between the Alize and the Allez is their respective price tags. When we reviewed the Alize it cost £4099 while the Allez range currently starts at £600 and tops out at £1300. Last year Specialized produced a worldwide 200 limited edition run of the S-Works Allez selling for £6,500 in aluminium.


Specialized's base model Allez in it's various builds is Specialized's its biggest selling road bike, and the California-based brand has threatened legal action in the past against other businesses in the industry to protect what it sees as its trademark – including last year, the Alberta, Canada bike shop, Café Roubaix.
Less than four months ago, Specialized backed down in its dispute with Café Roubaix, with the brand's founder Mike Sinyard personally apologising to the store's owner, Dan Richter.
“I just want to say a big apology for this whole thing,” Sinyard told him in a video filmed during his visit to the shop in December.
“It got out of line and I completely take full responsibility for it. And most importantly, withdraw any claim and you can proceed as you like.”
In an open letter published shortly afterwards, Sinyard said that the company had been aggressively pursuing counterfeiters although he acknowledged that Café Roubaix, which has its own branded line of wheels, wasn't one.
He also confirmed that a separate action against clothing firm Epix Gear had been brought to an end.
"I realise now that we went too far with this aggressive approach and as a result and in some cases we hurt the local bikes shops and small businesses we wanted to protect," he said.
He also promised: "We’re going to take a much closer look at all pending and future intellectual property and trademark issues, making sure to only pursue those that present a clear and obvious danger.”
Referring to its complaint over the use of the Alizé name, Pryde told us: "This happened during the Cafe Roubaix affair. The founder of Neil Pryde Limited, Mr. Neil Pryde who knows Mike Sinyard reached out to him via email in order to find an amicable solution, but we never received a response."
He added: "NeilPryde are fully focused on developing awesome products and we did not want this to become a distraction. Therefore to avoid a protracted and costly legal battle, we decided to change the name to Nazaré."
A number of Facebook users who correctly assumed that Specialized was the other company involved posted messages over the weekend on its page on the social network to protest.
One, Nick Pelckmans, said: "Maybe you can contact the French government and ask them to change the conjugation of the verb aller as it seems allez is 'owned' by you. Never again a specialized for me!"
One distinguishing factor in the Café Roubaix case is perhaps that Fuji owner ASI, which licences the Roubaix name to Specialized in the US, said that the brand had no right to register the trademark in Canada – since Fuji had already done so itself – and therefore no power to threaten legal action.
In its message on its website, NeilPryde said:
On its website, NeilPryde said:
Effective immediately we are retiring our ALIZE bike name and replacing it with NAZARÉ. This is just a name change – your beloved bike will remain exactly the same.
This change comes at the behest of a well known bike company. According to their lawyers the ALIZE name was too close to one of their trademarked bike names and, as such, we need to stop using it.
We didn't really see it the same way. Both the spelling and meaning are completely different. All our names come from winds (or other water sports references) which is in our heritage. ALIZE is a north-easterly wind found in central Africa and the Caribbean. Any similarity with the name in question, however questionable, was purely coincidental. We are proud of our bikes and our heritage and wouldn't swap it for anyone's.
In the end, after months of arguing with lawyers, we were forced to change the name to avoid a protracted and potentially costly legal battle. We prefer to focus on designing great bikes than communicating with lawyers. As such, all ALIZE bikes produced from this spring will carry the name NAZARÉ.
Nazaré is a town and a well known big wave surfing spot on the coast of Portugal. It's fast, powerful and impressive – just like NAZARÉ.
We hope that you forgive us for this disruption.
So long ALIZE and allez, allez NAZARÉ!























59 thoughts on “NeilPryde Bikes renames its Alizé bike following trademark dispute… with Specialized again”
Oh dear, you would have
Oh dear, you would have thought they might have learnt from the cafe Roubaix episode but it would appear not.
If there legal department hasn’t worked out the difference between the French for “go” and the name of a wind there’s not much hope. Whatever next, injuncting all spectators from shouting “allez allez” at the side of the road so as to avoid brand confusion?
arfa wrote:Oh dear, you would
I thought the French for go was “aller” and “allez” meant Come on or Go on (ahead)
Gkam84 wrote:I thought the
“Aller” is the infinitive “to go,” “allez” the present indicative second person plural (“you go”) or, in the context you’ll hear it on the roadside at the Tour, the second person plural imperative (“go!”).
:B
(Edit: found the avi)
Fool me once…
Hit them where
Fool me once…
Hit them where it hurts.
Neil Pryde might have
Neil Pryde might have consulted me first, as we have a Peugeot Alize ladies road bike in the shed from…1992.
Peugeot should nail specialized just for the hell of it.
Can’t have any doubt about
Can’t have any doubt about which tossers have been tea-bagging another cycling company for no real reason, the title of the blog post on the NeilPryde website should be enough to convince anyone.
It beggars belief that Specialized’s lawyers were doing this at the same time that Mike Sinyard was going around claiming humility and grace with personal apologies et cetera.
Not buying that crap if it happens this time, and certainly not buying Specialized any time soon either.
Wot Simon says ! If only I
Wot Simon says ! If only I could remember my grammar….
Wot Simon says ! If only I
Wot Simon says ! If only I could remember my grammar….
Cheers Simon, I don’t do
Cheers Simon, I don’t do French. I am a student of Zee German
Maybe the ‘Special’ legal
Maybe the ‘Special’ legal team thought that ‘Allez’ and ‘Alize’ are pronounced similarly?
When actually it’s Ah-lay versus ah-leez.
I find all this very odd however, given that ‘Tarmac’ is a trademark. And not a trademark owned by a Special company either.
On the subject of grammar, I
On the subject of grammar, I meant to write “their” not there.
repeat and rewrite until bed time….
Allez Allez – Belgian funk
Allez Allez – Belgian funk band 1981 to 1985
Blind Allez – Glaswegian rock band 1983 to 1997, reformed 2006 and still going I think.
Numerous songs with Allez in the title and a French horse race.
Are Specialized going to sue everyone for using a French infinitive? =))
levermonkey wrote:Allez Allez
That might be a stretch even for the Specialized lawyers, considering none of those things are bicycles.
I’m surprised Alex rims haven’t been done yet though, or the Hutchinson Sector tyre.
Nick T wrote:levermonkey
That might be a stretch even for the Specialized lawyers, considering none of those things are bicycles.
I’m surprised Alex rims haven’t been done yet though, or the Hutchinson Sector tyre.— levermonkey
…and also since the use of the names in these other examples predates that of Specialized
OldRidgeback wrote:Nick T
That might be a stretch even for the Specialized lawyers, considering none of those things are bicycles.
I’m surprised Alex rims haven’t been done yet though, or the Hutchinson Sector tyre.— Nick T
…and also since the use of the names in these other examples predates that of Specialized— levermonkey
I was being sarcastic! And I wouldn’t put anything past Specialized’s lawyers. Just for a bit of fun there are numerous companies using “Specialized” in their company names. I can think of three off the top of my head that are English companies (Why they use the abomination that is the American spelling is beyond me.) Specialized Security, Specialized Hook Baits and how about Specialized Fabrications.
* French imperative.
The
* French imperative.
The infinitive is Aller. Allez is second person plural in simple present, also used as the imperative form.
Gave them the benefit of the
Gave them the benefit of the doubt after the bike shop incident but this just paints them as bullies. All I know is my next bike will not be a Specialized.
My next bike won’t be a
My next bike won’t be a Specialized either. Not only are they corporate bullies, but they are corporate bullies who appear to think that their potential customers are idiots.
There has never been much to
There has never been much to like about Specialized bikes and now there is another reason to dislike them.
Neilpryde on the other hand have a fantastic product and the company is not run by lawyers it’s run by riders.
I have never owned one of
I have never owned one of their bikes, but had been buying shoes, helmets, gloves, saddles, bar-tape, etc. Never, never ever again! Second chance used up. Goodbye.
After the Roubaix incident I
After the Roubaix incident I decided never to buy any SSpecialized products again. Thankfully they have now shown that decision to be rational.
I also found myself rooting for anyone but Omega Pharma Quickstep at the RVV yesterday. Great team, but it’s a shame they are stuck with a cruddy sponsor like SSpecialized… 🙁
Mulling over next Sunday
Mulling over next Sunday bike. Makes my buying decision a little easier, narrows the field by two with Tricross and Roubaix off the shortlist.
Still plenty of bikes to cross off though. Hmm. Back to teh drawing board.
they sound more and more like
they sound more and more like Crapple every day … sigh
FUDS!
FUDS! :W
If this is Specialzed’s new
If this is Specialzed’s new anti-sales campaign, it’s working.
I, for one, have been given an even stronger reason to not buy any Specialized products.
don simon wrote:If this is
+1
Do they think we might be tricked into buying the wrong bike? I’m cleverer than that. Clever enough to never buy a Specialised (see what I did there?) product again.
Sigh. I intended not to buy
Sigh. I intended not to buy spesh stuff after the cafe Roubaix thing, this just makes it my new years resolution. So, I will spend my meagre bike allowance for kit, tubes etc on anything except their products. People aren’t quite as stupid as they seem to make out, it is simply bullying and does their pr no favours.
I wonder what “dudes, I was
I wonder what “dudes, I was just out biking the whole live long weekend, being rad, like you guys and didn’t know this was even happening” pile of crap Sinyard is going to try and pull this time.
Scumbags.
Unfortunately not everyone
Unfortunately not everyone who will buy a bike is so engaged with cycling that they follow reports like this and that of the Café Roubaix debacle.
There’ll still be a lot of people going down their local bike shops buying Spesh products completely unaware that they’re a bunch of paranoid money-grabbers. 😐
Dear me. I could give them
Dear me. I could give them the benefit of the doubt on the Cafe Roubaix affair, especially given how Fuji then made them look monumentally stupid (“Er, it’s not even your trademark. Dude.”), but this uses up their second chance.
So, I had heard that the Tarmac is a great bike, but it won’t be my next great bike.
I tried on the S-Works Prevail and it fitted me really really well. Tough, I’ll find something else.
Conti inner tubes are as widely available as Spesh inner tubes (both of which appear to be omnipresent in my LBSs), so I can avoid that.
I had meant to try their different saddle widths. Never mind, my Fizik Aliante is a great saddle.
My only remaining reliance on them is for the Body Geometry shoes, and thats only because they patented the use of a built-in varus sole tilt. (how can that be patented?!) I use so much varus tilt (4.5mm) that I need the built-in bit in order to try and minimise the additional tilt that I obtain via sole and cleat wedges. Unless anyone has any better ideas?
My only remaining reliance on
My only remaining reliance on them is for the Body Geometry shoes, and thats only because they patented the use of a built-in varus sole tilt. (how can that be patented?!) I use so much varus tilt (4.5mm) that I need the built-in bit in order to try and minimise the additional tilt that I obtain via sole and cleat wedges. Unless anyone has any better ideas?[/quote]
You could replace them with professionally made to measure orthotic inner souls they last years and if not using them causes knee pain ect your GP can refer you to your local hospital who will make a mould of you feet to perfect the fit free at the point of need. (Until true capitalism takes hold and you pay for health care… Sorry can’t help my self).
I have used specialised shoes, helmets, mitts for years, they are off my shopping list now. Greedy bullies!
Beefy wrote:
You could
Well I do have custom orthotics for my normal shoes, but they are heel-based and only extend as far forward as the instep. For cycling, I need lateral tilt in the forefoot (if I have a horizontal pedalling platform, then the front half of my foot rolls inwards on each pedal downstroke, causing my knees to knock each revolution – gets painful). Are you aware of custom orthotics for the forefoot?
The heat-moudable insoles that are available don’t seem to offer a solution, because none of this is reflected by my foot shape.
You can have custom shoes made, for several hundred pounds. Bit much, that.
If I were to use stock shoes from another brand, the amount of insole wedging I would need would reduce the available space in the shoe for my foot. Either that, or the cleat wedging would make for an unacceptable stack height.
Given that I use speedplay pedals, I already have cleat adapters increasing the stack height somewhat. Maybe the solution is to go with speedplay-specific shoes to mitigate that, then use extra-long screws to secure a double layer of cleat wedges. Then again, the bike fitter wasn’t keen on the cleat wedges at all, saying they aren’t as stable for my foot as insole wedges… 😕
notfastenough wrote:
Well I
I have similar issue. I have full-foot insoles. Podiatrist gave me three sets; I had one lot for regular use, one for playing sports (rugby etc) and then I got another set last year for cycling.
I have a pair of Louis Garneau with standard (temperature-focused) insoles and I stuck them to my prescribed ones, and I’m fine.
They weren’t even expensive insoles from the podiatrist; actually the 2nd cheapest and he just customised them by using what looked more or less like a blowtorch (!) to mould a piece of rubber to the instep to provide a ledge to keep the front of the foot level.
My only remaining reliance on
My only remaining reliance on them is for the Body Geometry shoes, and thats only because they patented the use of a built-in varus sole tilt. (how can that be patented?!) I use so much varus tilt (4.5mm) that I need the built-in bit in order to try and minimise the additional tilt that I obtain via sole and cleat wedges. Unless anyone has any better ideas?[/quote]
You could replace them with professionally made to measure orthotic inner souls they last years and if not using them causes knee pain ect your GP can refer you to your local hospital who will make a mould of you feet to perfect the fit free at the point of need. (Until true capitalism takes hold and you pay for health care… Sorry can’t help my self).
I have used specialised shoes, helmets, mitts for years, they are off my shopping list now. Greedy bullies!
So – big bike company tells
So – big bike company tells smaller bike company that the product names are a bit too similar. Smaller bike company changes product name. End of story.
This isn’t Cafe Roubaix round two – it’s not vast evil corporate machine vs little guy on his own is it?
I’d hope all those loudly declaring that they’ll never (never I say, NEVER!) buy Specialised EVER AGAIN apply such ethical purchasing policies when it comes to food, meat, clothing, banking and everything else they buy and services they use.
allez neg wrote:So – big bike
Did you miss this bit? (quoting Mike Pryde here)
“This happened during the Cafe Roubaix affair. The founder of Neil Pryde Limited, Mr. Neil Pryde who knows Mike Sinyard reached out to him via email in order to find an amicable solution, but we never received a response… we did not want this to become a distraction. Therefore to avoid a protracted and costly legal battle, we decided to change the name to Nazaré.”
allez neg wrote:So – big bike
What it is, is corporate lawyers thinking customers are effing dim enough to confuse an entry level alu bike with a serious pro-level aero design.
And yes, I do try to buy according to my principles. So what?
I was disgusted by the whole
I was disgusted by the whole Cafe Roubaix saga, I couldn’t afford to replace my helmet, glasses, gloves & mitts at the time, but I did remove all decals showing the logo, and I vowed that unless they changed their decission I would never buy another of their products.
They did indeed change, and broadcast a humble apology, but it still left a sour taste in my mouth, that it was only due to the amount of awareness raised by JoePublic, and Fuji stepping in after the outcry.
Helmet, gloves & glasses have over the months since needed to be replaced. New summer mitts will be next on my list.
I will not buy their products again.
In answer, yes.
I have a whole list of companys, or stores I have boycotted over unethical issues.
Will they be suing Mrs Doyle
Will they be suing Mrs Doyle for her catchprase next?
………………………..
…………………………. fools !
Is it coming to the stage
Is it coming to the stage when people will look at me in disgust as I ride an s-works Tarmac SL2?
Shamblesuk wrote:Is it coming
Personally speaking No 😉
if I remember correctly when
if I remember correctly when watching Klunkers didnt one of the guys that was one of the first people to build/design MTB’s give one as a gift to Mike Sinyard, who sent it to be copied and mass produced? As I recall it was a Richey Frame?
Have I got that right, I hope so…cant afford to be sued
https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/v/t1.0-9/1457728_969934092316_233994253_n.jpg?oh=dd55a14de0b6f8b8dd917562d229d41e&oe=53AD41B5
Yurp, Sinyard started
Yurp, Sinyard started Specialized by buying a handful of frames from Tom Ritchey and Gary Fisher and sending them to the Japan to be copied – thus the Stumpjumper was born. Tbh, given their roots, this sort of behavoiur ^^^, whilst not on should be somewhat expected. I for one can’t wait for Sinyard’s response to this.
Well I hope Specialized are
Well I hope Specialized are going to sue Renault who have been making a car called the Alizé for a few years now, and there’s a coach company in France called Alizé too.
I’ve been a fan of the All Conditions Armadillo Elite but I will never buy another again.
drmatthewhardy wrote:Well I
Yes but trademarks only cover certain aspects – otherwise things would just get stupid. So you can trademark a name as it applies to cycle frames (which is what Neil Pryde have flouted) but not as it applies to cars or coaches.
In much the same way that Orange (the UK based MTB company) has trademarks on “Orange” but not as it applies to fruit (obviously) or telecommunications companies. However you can bet that if you tried to set up a company making MTBs and called it “Lemon” using the same font, they’d be down on you like a ton of bricks.
Same here – I’ve not got a problem with what Specialized are doing and as usual, there’s more to the story because Neil Pryde were using the term Innovate or Die which is a Specialized trademark too. And again, that doesn’t stop anyone saying that phrase, it simply stops you applying that phrase in a marketing sense to your line of bikes.
I can’t for the life of me work out why anyone is getting wound up over it all. The words Storm and Teacup spring to mind.
crazy-legs wrote:The words
If you don’t mind, I have given my wife the nickname ‘storm in an A cup’ as such I feel that its is similar sounding to Storm in a tea cup =))
The problem for me is that this would have not gone Specialized way in court, but right and wrong don’t count, its who has the biggest pockets… notwithstanding the legal position, its the moral position I object to.
A little bit more to the
A little bit more to the story revealed here:http://singletrackworld.com/2014/04/alize-is-too-much-like-allez-says-specialized/
I’ll only get shot down for saying this because I own / ride Spesh bikes amongst others, however, much of the ranting on various cycling forums seem to forget 2 things.
Firstly, they are an American company and this behaviour is rife throughout business in corporate USA so it should not really be a surprise. (Not that makes it right, of course)
Secondly, I do wonder how many who shout boycott/rant are doing so by typing on their Apple devices. (If you know, you’ll know what I mean!)
Super Domestique
Whats your point
sent from my eyePad 🙂
As always, it’s the result of
As always, it’s the result of government granting of the so called intellectuall property, which of course isn’t a property.
smash the state
This is really irritating
This is really irritating because it renews my determination to boycott $pecialized forever but their pesky Romin Evo Pro is the saddle I settled on after an extensive and rather unpleasant period of research into finding something that doesn’t hurt my arse after a few hours. Does this mean that this expensive, time-consuming and rear-pummelling exercise has to start all over again? *sigh* principles are painful sometimes…
Martin Thomas wrote:This is
Yes, unfortunately.
I will never buy a
I will never buy a Specialized bike. Bullying small companies is out of order especially when they are doing nothing wrong.
Twats.
Sounds like the lawyers at
Sounds like the lawyers at Specialized have been at their anal worst. I have to say I am glad that my cycling equipment tends to be from more niche companies that tend to not be as corporate centred. Personally I like to be different and not ride the same bike as 70% or so (Giant/Trek/Specialized) when I participate in a sportive.
It’s a shame that an element of common sense has not been applied in this situation. Perhaps Specialized’s PR department needs to give the lawyers’ heads a shake!
😉
If you were in any doubt
If you were in any doubt before (my comment on that is appended below), this latest incident should leave you in no doubt whatsoever about Mr Sinyard. Maybe Mike will now claim he never received an email from NP? 😉
Regardless, I have to congratulate NP on using this situation to their advantage. PR 1, Lawyers 0. Very smart.
=============================
Here’s my comment on the Cafe Roubaix saga –
Mike Sinyard did the only thing he could given the circumstances he found himself in. However, said circumstances were of his own making.
I always wait to hear both sides of a story. Now I have, the one thing that really jars for me is that the letter Richter received was from Specialized (see velominati article) and not some third party legal firm as Sinyard would have you believe.
I have no doubt that Sinyards story about protecting from fakes is very true, but the overlap with this case is tenuous indeed. It just looks to me like it was the only hand he had to play given the enormous (and well deserved) backlash….
Surely someone out there is
Surely someone out there is offering a Nazare build with Cafe Roubaix wheels!
Latest news from Specialized
Latest news from Specialized head office:
Lawsuit launched against mayor and corporation of small town in northern France. Specialized officer commented: ‘who do these guys think they are, using the name ‘Roubaix’? They can’t even surface their roads properly!
All girls named Alice to be named in group action for copyright infringement.
In a countersuit, joint action by Macadam.plc and sundry Irish drive layers claiming infringement of trade name ‘Tarmac’.
Top model bike to be renamed BSworks
Publishers of the Oxford English dictionary taking legal advice about language violations: it’s spelt with an ‘S’.
😉
Further news from
Further news from Specialized:
it has been agreed with the UCI that track riders in Derny paced events may no longer use the term ‘Allez!’ in communicating with their pacers, unless they are riding bikes supplied by and clearly branded as, Specialized (sic).
The counter command ‘Ho!’ is under review as it may be held to be a defamatory reference to Specialized CEO Mike Sinyard.
Similarly, the French national guard are being briefed in respect of spectator behaviour at all next year’s UCI calendar events, especially the TDF. Only riders on the relevant American branded bicycles may be encouraged in the traditional way, on pain of fines and/or imprisonment.
This isn’t surprising has
This isn’t surprising has nobody else noticed?
When I ride a Cervelo I can feel the science and engineering that go into making it a bike that performs at the edge of what’s currently possible.
When I ride a Colnago I can feel the passion that goes into making a bike that is as enjoyable to ride as possible.
When I ride Specialized I can feel the accountancy that goes into making it as good as possible while maintaining the largest profits available.
I like their Rib Cage bottle cage as it perfectly fits a large bottle of bud, looks pretty and matches my bike in red and white. Does anyone want it for free if you collect? I will find one of another make.