Olympic cycling star Laura Trott has changed her mind on whether wearing cycle helmets should be a legal requirement. While she still thinks helmets prevent major injuries, the 21-year-old now thinks helmet use should be a matter of "personal discretion".
Speaking at the Olympic Velodrome at Lee Valley Velopark last week, Trott reiterated that her sister’s crash had convinced her of the benefits of helmets.
"I cycle a lot around roads and I would always wear a helmet," she told Rob Virtue of wharf.co.uk. "I've been out with my sister when she crashed and it just showed me how a helmet prevents major injuries.”
Emma Trott, who is two years older than her sister, was one of five British riders hit by a car in Belgium in 2010
But in a change from her previous comments Laura Trott added: "But it's also something that should be at your personal discretion. If you want to wear it, wear it, if you don't, then don't."
Last year, the Wiggle-Honda rider attracted vociferous criticism when she implied that cyclists sometimes have only themselves to blame should they get hit by a vehicle. “It’s not always the car’s fault,” she said.
At the time, Trott was speaking in her role as one of Mayor of London Boris Johnson’s cycling ambassadors.
“It should be a legal requirement to wear a helmet,” she said. “So many lives have been saved by them and it saved my sister’s life.”
However, Boris Johnson’s own cycling commissioner Andrew Gilligan believes helmets have no proven benefits and refuses to wear one.
The benefits of helmet use is one of the most hotly contested topics in cycling. British Cycling policy advisor Chris Boardman recently called for the debate to be put to bed as it had become a distraction from the bigger issues of making cycling safer by building segregated infrastructure and improving vehicle design.
In an interview with road.cc, Boardman said that helmet use was “not even in the top 10 of things you need to do to keep cycling safe or more widely, save the most lives.”
Studies based on A&E admissions often conclude that helmets are effective at preventing head injury. But this effect vanishes when data from larger groups of cyclists are examined.
In 2005, researcher PJ Hewson analysed police STATS19 data on traffic collisions and concluded: “There is no evidence that cycle helmets reduce the overall cyclist injury burden at the population level in the UK when data on road casualties is examined.”
In a 2006 paper for the British Medical Journal, researcher Dorre Robinson, also working with whole-population data for injury rates concluded that there was no clear evidence of the effectiveness of making helmets compulsory.




















88 thoughts on “Laura Trott changes her mind on helmets”
Light the blue touchpaper and
Light the blue touchpaper and retire…
Helmet didn’t prevent my
Helmet didn’t prevent my friend from sustaining major injuries. Depressed fracture of cheek bone and traumatic brain injury.
this girl’s an idiot imo
this girl’s an idiot imo
Karbon Kev wrote:this girl’s
Why might I ask?
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. it may be wrong, but that doesn’t mean you can’t have it.
Sooner people stop focusing on helmets and start asking why cyclists are getting hit by cars the better! Might be me, I might be odd, but i’d rather not find out how effective or ineffective a helmet is if I get hit by a car.
Karbon Kev wrote:this girl’s
I’d come up with a witty repost to your unsubstantiated, unpleasant statement that emphasised the critical need to focus on evidence-based population-level science whilst maintaining a sense of personal responsibility and appreciation for confounding factors influencing takeup (or lack thereof) of utility cycling for the common good, but can’t be arsed.
speaking from personal
speaking from personal experience, my opinion is helmets should be compulsory, however everyone should have their own opinion. if it wasn’t for a helmet my brother would probably not have survived his crash, the whole of the back of the helmet was destroyed but he only came away with a concussion. whilst not everyone wears one i strongly urge you to do so
THEONETHATROWS wrote:speaking
May I ask why your brother crashed? a “racing” incident or hit by a car?
We were both coming down a
We were both coming down a hill, think we hit about 60-70 kph, and just before the bottom there was a small speed bump, we both hit it and he just flipped. the speed bump in question was virtually invisible because of shadows and the light. i should point out that my brothers been riding longer than me and is very experienced so how he flipped is beyond me
mrmo wrote:THEONETHATROWS
We were both coming down a hill, think we hit about 60-70 kph, and just before the bottom there was a small speed bump, we both hit it and he just flipped. the speed bump in question was virtually invisible because of shadows and the light. i should point out that my brothers been riding longer than me and is very experienced so how he flipped is beyond me
THEONETHATROWS wrote:mrmo
We were both coming down a hill, think we hit about 60-70 kph, and just before the bottom there was a small speed bump, we both hit it and he just flipped. the speed bump in question was virtually invisible because of shadows and the light. i should point out that my brothers been riding longer than me and is very experienced so how he flipped is beyond me— THEONETHATROWS
Thanks, what you are describing is for better want of a term a racing accident. A million miles from some riding into town to do the shopping on a “fiet”. Is what is appropriate to one valid for the other? I would say no. Best parallel, do you expect drivers to wear flameproof overalls to drive to work?
THEONETHATROWS wrote:
We were
Well that puts the impact about 16 to 20 times the maximum the helmet is designed for. And do you think you would still have done 60-70kph if you had not been wearing a helmet?
What mandatory helmets did
What mandatory helmets did for New Zealand:
Personal choice wins for
Personal choice wins for sure. I choose to wear one.
For the myriad ‘mate was wearing a helmet, had a crash, still got injured’ stories I’ve yet to see a single ‘mate was wearing a helmet, had a crash, still got injured, wished they hadn’t been wearing a helmet’ one.
ped wrote:Personal choice
Wasn’t there a link that showed in some cases helmets caused other fatal injuries, something to do with increased friction and causing necks to twist etc?
This reads like some very bad science, so hopefully somebody a tad more clued up than me will dig out the relevant information.
farrell wrote:ped
Wasn’t there a link that showed in some cases helmets caused other fatal injuries, something to do with increased friction and causing necks to twist etc?
This reads like some very bad science, so hopefully somebody a tad more clued up than me will dig out the relevant information.— ped
Given that every other sprint finish seems to involve a multiple pile up, I’ve yet to see any racer get a broken neck from wearing his helmet….
JeevesBath wrote:farrell
Wasn’t there a link that showed in some cases helmets caused other fatal injuries, something to do with increased friction and causing necks to twist etc?
This reads like some very bad science, so hopefully somebody a tad more clued up than me will dig out the relevant information.— farrell
Given that every other sprint finish seems to involve a multiple pile up, I’ve yet to see any racer get a broken neck from wearing his helmet….— ped
I have never been involved in a bunch sprint pile up on my way to the shops or to work.
ped wrote:Personal choice
I once had a lazy, slow fall warming up for an MTB event, and was completely surprised to smack my head.
I was wearing a helmet and ended up with a concussion. I am as adamant as those that say a helmet saved their life, that the only reason I banged my head on that occasion was because I’d significantly increased its volume by putting a great big helmet on it.
Now, I may be completely wrong in this opinion, the reality is that no one knows for sure, but I still have it… I just wanted to share with you, as given the choice, however rightly or wrongly, given the same circumstances, I’d have opted to try the crash sans helmet.
ped wrote:Personal choice
Well, you asked for it, the parents of these children will be wishing they didn’t wear helmets:
Child deaths due to cycle helmets
kie7077 wrote:ped
Well, you asked for it, the parents of these children will be wishing they didn’t wear helmets:
Child deaths due to cycle helmets— ped
What a load of bollocks, strangulations due to wearing them off the bike mostly, you know, the kind of thing that can happen with a scarf, only a scarf doesn’t come with a warning sticker, label and handbook, bike hat does.
Laura Trott is entitled to
Laura Trott is entitled to hold whatever views she likes and we can choose to either agree or not.
She is also entitled to change those views. In fact doing shows that she is able to consider things and not simply stick rigidly to what she previously thought.
I can’t see any justification for calling her an “idiot” on this basis.
Wouldn’t it be so much nicer if people behaved like grown-ups?
Until there is solid evidence
Until there is solid evidence and a scientific consensus that compulsory helmet use overall has more health benefits than the status quo, there should be no law enforcing it.
And why, is it considered ‘idiotic’ choosing to not wear a helmet? I know a lot of intelligent people who choose not to wear a helmet. Probably for the same reason they choose not to wear a full body armour suit. Or choose not to stay inside for fear of pianos falling on them.
There’s a limit to precautionary measures: the very act of living on Earth carries a risk. There are far, FAR better ways to improve your safety on the road, than wearing a helmet (the best being approved cycle training).
I agree totally with Laura
I agree totally with Laura Trott, it should be through personal discretion. I feel that one should choose to wear a helmet, as I do without exception. However, as for making it a legal requirement to wear a helmet I am not so sure about. We are trying in this country to promote cycling as a alternative mode of transport, the introduction of compulsory head gear for cyclists has proved to decrease cycling numbers in countries where helmets have been made compulsory. I believe that everyone should wear a helmet through choice and common sense, however, forcing cyclist to wear helmets will in my opinion only decrease cyclist numbers in a time when we are trying to encourage an increase in cycling.
Why can she not have an
Why can she not have an opinion ? you lot slate her and now under pressure she has backed down, I find it all sad to be honest.
You lot want personal choice, great have it, in fact you have it, its not a legal requirement, but for christ sake stop having a go at somebody because their personal choice is to say you should be wearing one.
You have your opinion, she has (or had) hers, to call her an idiot because she doesn’t agree with your views is appalling.
mikeprytherch wrote:Why can
Finally a sound comment.
Opinions are like a’holes everyone has one.
I suspect Miss Trott may have been interviewed by that fine body the press on the subject again.
So gave a response which has now been re quoted by the press on a cycling website with the usual vociferous responses.
Or maybe her sponsors would like her to promote the use of helmets as Wiggle do sell them I think, who knows or really honestly cares.
Oh of course the visitors to road.cc do so they can grind their axes.
I personally just enjoy riding thankfully.
But… in other news, good
But… in other news, good for Miss trott… having the ability to adapt a view for a more positive public perception.
Now, on to the important argument… how do we stop cyclists getting run down on our roads?
‘Now, on to the important
‘Now, on to the important argument… how do we stop cyclists getting run down on our roads?’
Easy! or not so easy!
Increased public funding for cycle infrastructure for about a decade! Current funding is pitiful considering the Government has pledged £500 million for all of Britain over the next 3 years. In reality, this figure should equate to around £10 per head, so £10 x 60 million people in Britain = £600 million per annum for the next ten years should see us on the right track (excuse the pun).
Funding needs to be combined with a long term vision or strategy say approximately a 20 – 25 year policy. Politicians go for big ticket ideas, something they can hang their hat on, so therefore cycling needs to be packaged up to look like a big project.
That is the general consensus among experts. I am writing my dissertation on this subject so have spoke to a number of people on this issue.
I wear a helmet, 95% percent
I wear a helmet, 95% percent of the time. Because sometimes I fall off, being a bit clumsy. And at times I’ve managed to whack my noggin into a branch or similar, so the helmet keeps my scalp attached.
For commuting, I also have the helmet cam on it.
I most certainly don’t wear it because it’ll help me when I get hit by a car at speed, a bus… or whatever else which would inflict massive traumatic crush injuries.
Helmets do not help (appreciably) in the majority of road traffic collisions that result in major injury. I’ve not seen any record of any accident where I believe the helmet (or lack of) made any difference with fatal accidents, as those tend to be people being run over.
Laura Trott is a nice lady
Laura Trott is a nice lady and a great cyclist.
I’m not sure why her views on helmet wearing are any more informed than the average persons.
Helmets are useful in cycle racing. They may mitigate some low energy impacts between 50 and 100 joules of Kinetic energy. So if you are racing and therefore falling off amongst a load of pedals it may be of some use in stopping a head wound being more serious.
If you get hit by a car even a small one like a Smart Car and even at low speed say 10 mph. Then the impact energy is up round 7000 joules. Helmet completely useless.
That’s just 10mph hit by a smart car.
As I have said before a helmet is not designed for nor has any chance of protecting you against vehicle impacts. You’ll get just as much protection from a lucky rabbits foot in your saddle bag.
Nice lady though is Laura.
My opinion of Trottie has
My opinion of Trottie has just gone up several notches 🙂
I’ll add to the “wouldn’t
I’ll add to the “wouldn’t have been injured if I hadn’t had a helmet” statistics, just for ped’s benefit, since he’s never heard them before. I went down on my right side after losing the front wheel on a wet roundabout. I came down mostly on my right shoulder, then my helmet struck the tarmac – the resulting rotation drove the right side of my face into the ground and I suffered considerable grazing and a couple of big cuts on my right cheek, nose and front of my chin, along with a chipped tooth. The helmet was lightly damaged on the right side and the peak snapped off.
I reckon that (as unprovable a supposition as Jimmy Ray Will’s), had I not been wearing the helmet that day (and my head had therefore been lighter by a few hundred grams and smaller by about 3 cm) I’d have still injured my shoulder and hip, but my head would not have struck the ground – and I wouldn’t have spent 3 weeks looking like an extra from a disaster movie. If I could go back, knowing that I’d still take that corner too fast would still go down, I’d forego the helmet.
As it happens, I mostly wear a helmet again now, having ridden without one for several years. There are several reasons: *I* think, with no statistical backup, that the accident I had is roughly as likely as an accident where a helmet would help (so it becomes a coin-toss); I got used to wearing one to butt branches out of the way on the mountain bike (one genuinely valid use for helmets); it makes my wife happier (based on a similarly non-statistical approach); it’s useful for mounting my camera (another genuinely valid use for helmets). None of these reasons are good reasons for anyone else to wear a helmet, so I’ll vocally support everyone’s choice to decide for themselves.
I should note that I’ve come off my bike on quite a lot of occasions – particularly the mountain bike (my riding style is a triumph of enthusiasm and momentum over skill). I can only think of one other time where I’ve hit my head. Did the helmet help there? Who can tell? The helmet did not seem to be badly damaged and I wasn’t at all – perhaps it saved my life.
As far as I’m concerned Laura
As far as I’m concerned Laura Trott can change her mind as many times as she likes (resists temptation to use obvious emoji)
As far as I’m concerned Laura
As far as I’m concerned Laura Trott can change her mind as many times as she likes (resists temptation to use obvious emoji)
I like it when people change
I like it when people change their opinions. It reminds you that there may actually be some point in debate.
In the States, some helmet
In the States, some helmet laws are compulsory for certain age groups. Additionally, in order to ride w/o a helmet on motorcycles in some States, you must show proof of insurance that would cover your medical expenses if injured.
This is done to protect the public from having to pay for your care. Seems fair to make the rider bear the responsibility for their own actions. It does not however, alleviate another’s actions from causing your injuries. To each his/her own.
American tifosi wrote:In the
Fall off a motorbike at typical speeds: almost certain to end in serious harm and costly treatment.
Fall off a bicycle at typical speeds: almost certain not to require a visit to A&E.
The net health benefits of cycling far outweigh the costs.
The net benefits of motorcycling are like all other motorised transport- negative.
Plus a helmet is not an issue motorcycling – your hair is already stuffed, the speeds are exponentially higher as is the pain from hitting bugs/birds/road debris thrown up.
Utterly, totally different things, zero comparison.
Personal opinions should be
Personal opinions should be held at personal discretion.
I wear a helmet, but I don’t care if you don’t.
Sanderville wrote:Personal
I wear one and the only people i do care about wearing one are my 2 children and my wife.
Laura Trott is a great racing
Laura Trott is a great racing cyclist, but that doesn’t mean that she should qualify as a special authority on the safety of cycling in every day cycling.
I doubt that she has studied the effects of the wearing of cycle helmets in any kind of scientific way, and until she has, perhaps her opinions should not be accorded any kind of prominence?
For those that want a summary of the evidence, based on the effects of the New Zealand cycle helmet law and looking at the possible explanations for its effects, do go to http://rdrf.org.uk/2013/12/27/the-effects-of-new-zealands-cycle-helmet-law-the-evidence-and-what-it-means/.
This piece briefly analyses the evidence with various references, including answers to the “helmet saved my life” comments such as those of Ms. Trott with regard to her sister.
And no, it won’t change anybody’s opinions, because once entrenched, no evidence ever will.
“I may not agree with what
“I may not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.” – Voltaire
I didn’t realise that wearing
I didn’t realise that wearing a helmet (plus a flappy piece of fluorescent nylon) would save my life when a truck runs over my pelvis and causes the most common, fatal injury to cyclists.
Dutch.
Dutch.
Dutch
Dutch
Sydney Road
Rudder?
I was once at a time trial a
I was once at a time trial a very long time ago when we used to use toe clips and straps. I was witness to a rider coming back form the time trial into the car park where we all were chatting about the times etc. Out of the corner of my eye I saw this guy put out his hand to his car to stable himself to loosen his toe straps. He slipped off the car and fell and hit his head. He didn’t get up and died in the ambulance on the way to hospital and left a wife and two kids. That was at 0mph
I would say that if he was wearing a helmet he would of survived the nock on the head. But you never can tell, plus helmets probably weren’t as good then as they are today.
This might seems that I am pro helmet and I am when riding my bike in training and racing. But everyday use to ride down the shops etc I don’t bother. This is called personal choice people should have the right to choose what they do in every day riding. When it comes to races or organised events then that’s a different matter it make sense to wear a helmet.
This I know doesn’t make much sense from a safety point of view especially when I point out that you can die on your bike at 0mph.
Many of us would think that it is a cut and dried case of you either wear a helmet or you don’t. I think though it depends on circumstances, and how each individual weighs up the risk.
I could though change my mind on this subject and there would be nothing wrong with that. Just as there is nothing wrong with this young lady Laura Trott changing her mind.
The best thinkers aren’t afraid to change their minds. I didn’t agree with her stance on having to wear helmets but she’s gone up in my estimation not because she has change her thinking closer to what I believe but because she has strength of character to change her mind when she knows us and the media are going to make a big hoo har about it. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter what Laura thinks what matters is that everybody should have the CHOICE and accept the consequences of their choice.
If we can’t all agree on
If we can’t all agree on mandatory helmets can we at least agree that Voltaire never said, “I may not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it”…?
🙂
Him Up North wrote:If we
“I may not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.” – At least one person in every internet comments debate.
🙂
for me, it is crazy not to
for me, it is crazy not to wear a helmet, it is crazy to wear headphones.
i dont think they should be legislated for and i dont think it is valid to use them as mitigating evidence where another road user is to blame for an accident.
however, i want to minimise my chances of accident and injury.
so i completely agree with LTs and BWs opinions here. As role models it is helpful for them to champion safe cycling.
in its infancy, the CTC campaigned against the use of cycle lights on the grounds they indirectly encouraged car drivers to be less vigilant of cyclists. No one would suggest such a policy now would they???
philtregear wrote:for me, it
Deaf riders seem to manage not to get killed every time they go out riding.
Headphones, like helmets, are a personal choice.
philtregear wrote:
in its
I doubt it,
but consider it for a moment, forcing cyclists to have lights gives car drivers an excuse not to look where they are going, are pedestrians expected to have lights? Highway code does suggest you wear reflective material. Should also mention, all those cyclists drivers complain about not being able to see because they have no lights…. How can there be any cyclists with no lights because you can’t see them…Maybe its me but that doesn’t really make a lot of sense, either you can’t see them and there is no problem, or you can see them and they inconvience you by forcing you to avoid them, lights just being an excuse???
Basic rule that is never enforced, drive according to the conditions. If drivers can’t see then you slow down, if you have doubts, slow down. But no we can’t impinge of drivers rights to screw the environment for everyone else!
Laura T can try my helmet for
Laura T can try my helmet for size any time B-)
I guess she prefers sitting on the fence on this one. I bet she wouldn’t be able to race without one, something to do with insurance cover perhaps or UCI rules?
As the law stands at the
As the law stands at the moment re: cycling helmets, people can do as they wish and good luck to them if they choose not to wear one. That’s their prerogative and hope they are stay safe.
I personally wear one whatever type of ride I’m doing ‘just in case’ I had an accident where I head a potentially serious head injury. Yes, there are other types of (fatal) injuries that can happen, but I can only do my best to make myself visible and ride confidently. There is always the chance that other road users are not as vigilent and could seriously injure or kill me. And the same goes when I drive. There is always a risk. But by wearing a cycling helmet I do feel that I am lowering that risk, even if just by a small amount. Why chance it?
For those of you wondering
For those of you wondering where the evidence is, try http://www.cyclehelmets.org
It seems to me that, at least for normal; everyday cycling (hard riding and mountains might be different) then there’s no evidence that helmets are effective overall. So for every injury they ‘save’ they must be causing another e.g. by risk compensation (drivers or cyclist) , or ‘rotational’ injuries . They’re only really designed for simple spills at about 12 mph. A shattered helmet might have given no protection because the ‘catastrophic failure’ (in mechanical engineering parlance) means it absorbs little or no energy, which get passed on to the skull regardless. I.e. no difference, at least when hitting a flattish object. And there there’s the principle of victim blame / burden of care. (The rape analogy is not far fetched in my view) ), Plus helmet promotion deters people from cycling, by making it seem more dangerous than it is, whereas more people cycling is a key way of making it safer. Even so health benefits outweigh risks 20 to 1 – it’s dangerous not to cycle. Finally by falling back on helmet promotion, officialdom is able to avoid taking real measures and insurance companies, courts etc can claim ‘ contributory negligence’ from injured cyclists.
Helmet debate.
Rudeness.
(|: Helmet debate.
(|: Rudeness.
BikeBud wrote: Helmet debate.
Exactly.
road.cc baits the hook, casts out and away we go..
The Great UK Helmet
The Great UK Helmet Debate.
As pointed out during many such debates, the 30+ years Danish/ Dutch experiment on the whole population as cohort should serve as the basis. Cycling should be divided into 2 main categories: (a) urban & leisure transport at an average of 15 km/hr, (b) sport at an average above 25 km/hr. Since (a) can revolutionize the very way we live in the most positive way imagineable AND the cohort experiment mentioned above shows marginal safety improvement of wearing helmets, if any at all, helmets should not be made compulsory. The disadvantages – putting people off biking – massively outweigh the hypothetical advantages. Safety under (a) can be dramatically improved by better cycling infrastructure, education and truck safety measures. The helmet debate is irrelevant.
For the small minority of us under (b), I can only speak of personal experience, I fell once or twice during my 50 years cycling life,interestingly recently, and was glad I wore a helmet. I look forward to further research into helmet safety, has MIPS died a quiet death?
Legislation forcing the compulsory wearing of helmets would discourage people – who are incidentally also car drivers – from using bicycles on their daily errands and paradoxically make roads LESS safe for ALL bicycle riders.
noether wrote:The Great UK
THIS.
Noting as purported in some other comments no-one is ‘anti-helmet’ – they are ***anti-compulsion*** which is totally different. They are also pro-science, peer-reviewed evidence, real-world experience, massive population-level multi-decade proof, etc etc.
Anyone citing a personal anecdote as justification to criticise Ms Trott or call for compulsion / deride those choosing not to wear a helmet is deluding themselves and should back away from any discussion until they obtain a basic grasp of how the real world works. The plural of anecdote is not data.
Personally I think anyone
Personally I think anyone going out on the road without wearing a helmet needs to think again. I was knocked off my bike last November on a Sunday afternoon by a car on the A59 in Lancashire. The driver pulled out of a car park on the opposite side of the road to turn right in the direction of my travel. About 50 yards later I was unconscious in the road after this car hit me a glancing blow but enough to knock me off. I had no chance to react to the situation and but for my helmet which had two severe cracks I am not sure whether I would have been here today.
It doesn’t matter how good a rider you are there are times when incidents happen which are not your fault and that you cannot react to and this was one of them.
Fortunately in this case the driver stopped ( said the sun was in his eyes and SMIDSY). A helmet may not have helped in a head on collision but in my case I think it saved me from much more serious injury.
@noether, good post!
I’m also
@noether, good post!
I’m also against compulsion, although wear one myself, and was glad the missus had one on when the rear of her helmet took an impact in a tumble last year..
As per usual there’s a lot of BS on here when it comes to trying to prove the case for or against the actual wearing of them – people find the evidence and stats they want to support their views. What’s becoming clear is that the hard facts to show helmets make a huge difference to safety simply aren’t there, when we’re talking about two tonnes of metal vs polystyrene plus skull. However even the most experienced cyclist can come off, often in an unpredictable way, so I do think it’s a wise precaution, but it must be ‘each to his own’ in this matter.
The vehemently pro- or anti-helmet brigade won’t listen to reason, though and can’t get over their own bias in this debate, that’s evident in comments on here and also some of the articles themselves.
I like Laura Trott, she seems
I like Laura Trott, she seems lovely.
I like the helmet debate too, it’s amusing how many cyclist are so up their own particularly tight anal gland, thinking they can dictate how other cyclists must behave. It’s also amusing how many people (most, apparently, in the ‘anal’ camp) believe a hemet “saved their life”….. oh yeah, sure. Just for the record a helmet never saved my life. Ever. And it never will.
Because I will never wear a helmet on a bicycle, or when I’m driving a car or walking under a ladder, or even picking my nose – it just detracts too much from those joyous experiences…
Laura has her opinion, she
Laura has her opinion, she speaks her opinion, formed from personal experience, get over it.
She doesn’t speak as a road safety scientist or neurosurgeon, just a cyclist.
I don’t believe they work either, I only wear one as every competitive and non competitive event requires I do, so I now train in one.
To add a bit, I was injured by my hemet when I came off last week, I ended up with a sore neck because the helmet hit the road, despite my curl, my head wouldn’t have struck the road. Helmet wasn’t damaged.
I do advocate them fully for kids though, though mine wear the hard shell type, they move slow enough and have less distance to fall, so get the benefit. They should be mandatory for juveniles until they are old enough to decide for themselves.
What helmet wearing did for
What helmet wearing did for children in Ontario when a mandatory helmet law was introduced and then not enforced.
All this conjecture on the
All this conjecture on the helmet debate, I bet 99% of those opposing the mandatory wearing of them actually wear them. Its an antiestablishment argument and not being told what to do as much as anything else in the opposing wearing helmets!
I very rarely see anyone not wearing one, especially under age of 50!
I don’t see pro riders campaigning their freedom to not have to wear one?
Marginal gains, if I get 0.1% chance of either avoiding death or serious injury I’ll take it thank you very much! Along with my 3 rear and 2 forward lights day and night!
darranmoore wrote:All this
I’m not clear what you are saying. Do you think its _wrong_ to have a problem with being told to know your place and to submit to power for the sake of it? If so, you have a different outlook to most.
As for ‘marginal gains’ – there was a horrible, tragic, story the other day of a young guy who was killed after accidentally head-butting a bus-stop while running for a bus. So your ‘if I get a tiny percentage chance if avoiding injury…’ argument would imply you also wear a helmet when running for a bus.
And I wear a helmet largely to try and minimise the inevitable victim-blaming if I get hit…but also because, to be honest, there are times when I think it _might_ help, e.g. when going fairly fast downhill when there’s no traffic about or if I get doored. But its my decision (and I’m not at all confident of my own reasoning either, as the only time I came off the bike the helmet was irrelevant as I didn’t hit my head). On flat, slow journeys I see no need for it really other than the blasted victim-blaming problem.
Making it compulsory would be a clear statement about power (specifically, the power of the private motorist), and I find it strange that you don’t see the problem with that. Do you think we should have Taliban/Saudi type laws about women’s dress also?
darranmoore wrote:
I very
Maybe your looking at the wrong people, i see plenty of leisure, bikes as transport people who don’t wear helmets, i see very few bikes as sports equipment without helmets.
You have to remember there are broadly two sets of cyclists, they are not the same, there needs are not the same.
Flying Scot wrote:Laura has
Not that I’ve read the whole thread yet, so I don’t know how abusive people might be being (ad hominems obviously being inappropriate), but is your comment here not a bit self-contradictory? Those disagreeing with her are also just speaking their opinion, so could one not say you should ‘get over’ their not getting over her speaking her opinion?
Also, there’s the little problem that the media gives undue prominence to the views of people who have no particular expertise on the topic they are speaking about (cf Nigel Lawson being treated by the BBC as an expert on climate change!)
I wouldn’t for a moment
I wouldn’t for a moment suggest that a mere multiple world championship and Olympic champion professional cyclist would know anything about a subject pertaining to cycling, or indeed that the aforementioned same world and Olympic champion professional cyclist should be listened to by anyone when she voices her opinion on a subject pertaining to cycling.
When the HSE makes
When the HSE makes recommendations about building site safety, PPE is not at the top of the list, yet in any conversation about road safety, its top of the list for what cyclists should do.
I find it funny that there’s a direct correlation between the people who call for mandatory helmet law and how their argument for such legislation is formulated entirely by anecdotal evidence.
Calling for such legislation because your partner/family member/acquaintance once fell on their face and you claim its down to wearing a helmet that saved their life, is about as convincing as making the same call because a bloke down the pub told you they save lives.
zanf wrote:When the HSE makes
My job’s connected with the construction sector and I can tell you that in the UK, enforcement of PPE is pretty strong. If you’re not wearing a hi-viz or a helmet, you won’t be allowed onsite in all but a few instances, and those sites where the rules aren’t enforced are the ones you don’t want to risk going on anyway.
And it has to be the right kind of high-viz too. I have a German high-viz top I can’t use in the UK as the reflector stripes go the wrong way. The HSE rarely has to enforce PPE any more because the construction sector has become pretty good about self-policing. Most firms don’t want to risk an incident where it’s found out later someone didn’t have the right kit, because they’d be fined heavily and considering PPE is cheap, it simply isn’t worth it.
Old Ridgeback, I seem to
Old Ridgeback, I seem to remember reading that the construction industry was exceeded in death rate only by deep sea fishing. Has it improved, is my information outdated?
I wear a full face helmet on
I wear a full face helmet on my motorcycle and a cycle hat on my cycle – I appreciate the choice when I am on my cycle and I am glad that Laura Trott seems to appreciate that, she seems pretty sensible to me.
Interesting top speeds through town are only very slightly higher on my motorcycle and yet I wear protective clothing, boots and helmet – but comfortable in Lycra and trainers on my cycle – go figure!
Love life, love cycling, love
Love life, love cycling, love the road & love my helmet. Two accidents & major concussion. Would never go without one. Last year spotted two pro’s 60+ all the gear & just cap, this frightened me a lot. I respect cyclist when in a car & respect drivers when on my bike but all it takes is lose of concentration. Please wear one it could save your life.
I’ve been cycling for 48
I’ve been cycling for 48 years and I’ve never had an ‘accident’ worthy of the description or suffered ‘major concussion’. I don’t know what you do with your bike but the way I ride mine it is not a dangerous activity that requires PPE.
If you think you ‘love cycling’ now then try doing it the proper way with the wind in your hair and unencumbered by bits of foam on your head. If you simply look where you are going and adjust your speed according to the conditions then you should be absolutely fine.
I despair that young people have become such utter woosies that they are too scared to ride a bike without a completely useless foam hat.
Aren’t you the LUCKY CYCLIST
Aren’t you the LUCKY CYCLIST ! 3 broken helmets in a season and all from different reasons ! Can’t claim they were not my fault , since i chose to get on the Bike !
Even see old women out shopping on their bike getting into bother so ” Murphy’s Law applies to them also !
Being hit by a ton+ of kinetic force from the rear , usually can be described as an incident that a Helmet was of NO VALUE !
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Ooh excellent, another helmet
Ooh excellent, another helmet debate. Cos we really haven’t had enough of these on road.cc, we could do with they same old anecdotal evidence and general argument… (|:
crazy-legs wrote:Ooh
The internet isn’t going to fill itself you know. It can’t all be cat pictures, porn and Americans arguing about guns.
FluffyKittenofTindalos
Oh yes it can! although I dont bother much with the Americans arguing about their amendments.
🙂
FluffyKittenofTindalos
The Americans don’t argue about guns. They settle their differences with a good old fashioned shootout instead. I hear they’re thinking about the right to arm bears now, so there’ll be some pissed-off grizzlies packing nines.
I can’t be bothered reading
I can’t be bothered reading all of it, has somebody mentioned cyclehelmets.org yet? It’s like Godwin’s Law on these threads.
I really don’t care if anyone wears a lid or not, just keep your opinions to yourself on the matter and go ride bikes instead.
drfabulous0 wrote:I can’t be
I don’t care who wears a helmet either, just so long as it isn’t me. Already there have been a couple of attempts in Parliament to make me.
Why is it you object to other people voicing their opinions?
felixcat wrote:drfabulous0
I don’t care who wears a helmet either, just so long as it isn’t me. Already there have been a couple of attempts in Parliament to make me.
Why is it you object to other people voicing their opinions?— drfabulous0
I don’t have any problem with people voicing their opinions, but it’s just got boring now, it’s like droning on about religion. Compulsory helmets is never going to happen thankfully, so lets just find something better to do with our time than arguing about it.
drfabulous0 wrote:
Why is it
I don’t have any problem with people voicing their opinions, but it’s just got boring now, it’s like droning on about religion. Compulsory helmets is never going to happen thankfully, so lets just find something better to do with our time than arguing about it.[/quote]
You could comment on actual road safety:
http://road.cc/content/news/114653-lcc-urges-londoners-oppose-tfls-kings-cross-gyratory-plans-consultation-closes
It may be a London road junction, but that doesn’t mean that road designers in other cities won’t be following the issue. These junctions were so badly designed TFL narrowly avoided being prosecuted for corporate manslaughter. And now they’re doing it again.
…but you decided to moan about people debating helmets, 100 comments says the issue bothers people.
I can’t understand why you would comment on a subject that you’re not interested in just to say you’re not interested in it, that must be very time consuming. / no-one’s forcing you to read the article
drfabulous0 wrote:
I don’t
Upthread you told us to keep our opinions to ourselves. Why, if you have no problem?
If you are bored by helmet discussions I suggest you don’t click on them
Why do you think helmet compulsion will not happen? Lids are obligatory in Australia and the USA, in some Canadian Povinces and South Africa, Spain has a law and so does Israel. What makes UK different? We certainly have liddites campaigning for a law.
Edited for spelling.
drfabulous0 wrote:I can’t be
Bikes? What have bikes got to do with it? I almost always wear a helmet, obviously, and rarely miss an argument about them, but I never ride bikes. Far too dangerous.
I heard that after carefully
I heard that after carefully considering all the evidence, helmets have changed their mind about Laura Trott.
Sikhs are a bit buggered if
Sikhs are a bit buggered if helmets were made compulsory, unless they’d be exempt.
There – helmets and religion. Just got to get Hitler and Nazism mentioned now.
allez neg wrote:Sikhs are a
I believe Australia has exempted Sikhs, and generally they do get an exemption, as with motorcycle helmets.
Against helmets;
There is no
Against helmets;
There is no clear evidence that helmets save lives or prevent major traumatic injury,
obligatory helmet wearing will discourage increased bicycle use.
For helmets,
The manufacturers will make money,
People will be reminded that many people are cycling.
It’s a close call; I frequently wear mine so that I can be seen with it when I’m shopping or arriving at the cinema or theatre, in order to advertise cycling, but I believe that Laura Trott’s latest statement is the best.
No one as yet owned up to
No one as yet owned up to making pro helmet reports because they have been persuaded to by threat or favour! the billion,billion dollar
oil industry is far to moral to resort to such tatics.