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Ultegra disc and chorus disc expected price
Hi all I know a simple google search will bring up the current prices of the mentioned groupset. My question is what can I reasonably hope to obtain theses groupsets for? Thanks
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Where do you draw the line? What finishing kit/wheels are you using?
I went through this a few years ago, brought a Mason Bokeh, as Italian frameset built up in UK for prestige/athethetics I was looking to put Chorus on it (as others never actually used it/hard to test it) went from 105 to Ultegra, it just works, can't see it much when riding it still enjoy riding it been faultless and had extra cash in the bank, could pay for a nice cycling tour. Bike fit so comfy for hours in saddle. I did upgrade to Italian bars. Still turns heads as quite rare bike, no one else in club has one 😃
I'm starting to get n+1 itch mind, after I've got a Neo 2T, mainly for the turbo but probably go for carbon frame with Chorus when funds allow.
I also occasionally think I could swap the Ultegra out for chorus if/when needed/funds allow... But I just can't justify it, same with the wheels, came with Hunt wheels keep saying "will upgrade" but again can't justify.
Priority for me at mo is the Turbo so I can get miles in...
Guess my rambling thought is if you can afford it, get whatever, if on a budget, to start with at least, go Ultegra and upgrade to Chorus/Record/SR at a later date.
My old bike had 105 rim.brake, new has Ultegra disc bar difference in brakes, both work/feel just the same to me and type riding I do.
The step from Potenza to Chorus is worth the money if you can stretch it. The step from Chorus to Record/SR, probably not so much to be honest. I've got bikes with all 4 in 11 Speed, Potenza is fine and it works but it's probably one I wouldn't buy again along with Record. Chorus for the functionality and ergos, SR for the bling
Couldn't agree more. Chorus 11 speed is a lovely groupset, although the new 12 speed is a bit of a backward step in my opinion. Built a bike with Chorus 11 mechanical disc last year and not only does it look fabulous, it performs faultlessly.
I hope not, putting SR12 on my next frame when it's built. A touch heavier than 11 but supposedly slicker
Sorry, what I meant was that Chorus 12 speed is a backward step from Chorus 11 speed - heavier, less bling, less gorgeous IMO. But of course also cheaper. And now, looking at it from a Fairlight Secan build point of view, it’s looking more and more attractive. It could make for a decent winter/gravel type bike with 48/32 on the front.
Cutting to the chase, if money is no object then buy the Chorus groupset. You will never look at a bike with Ultegra or Dura Ace on it and be envious I promise you.....and no one will ever question your decision to furnish your Cinelli with a Campag groupset...
Thanks Chris. The more I read it does seem to be that potenza is a genuine competitor for ultegra just not with the commercial success.
I've placed the order for the frame now and have most of the finishing kit, I'll put the money from selling my current bike towards a campagnolo groupset. Upgrading from tiagra to chorus I'm sure I'll be amazed even whilst getting used to the hand position. Thanks
I have the Potenza disc groupset on my main bike and I'm definitely swtiching out the Shimano hydraulic disc setup I have on the winter bike as soon as I can justify the spend. As others have mentioned, Potenza disc can be picked up for £650 - £700 on Wiggle, which I think is cheaper than Ultegra disc is at the moment. If I were building a new bike I'd think about going to Chorus 12 but that's mostly for looks if I'm honest.
I don't think you'll struggle to get used to the hand position...in my opinion the ergonomics on Campag disc groupsets are light years ahead of Shimano and Sram. I know we're wandering into answering questions you haven't asked, but I recently upgraded my wife's disc brake bike to Tiagra hydraulic disc (she's used to the shift mechanism and didn't want to change). The shape is the same as 105 and Ultegra, and I was laughing at the size of the shifters...they're fucking HUGE! All the noise on their release was how they've done away with the bulbous shape of the RS505s with the new design, but the new levers aren't exactly small. And that ridiculous bulge on the inside of the shifter from the hydraulic cable exiting the shift lever...really Shimano?
If you've got big hands and struggle with smaller shifters, then you might well prefer Shimano, but for me there's no discussion to be had.
Another thing that I personally prefer is the feel of the shifting, especially on the front. I'll say now that I know my situation is probably a rarity, but it does highlight the "weight" of the shifting. I clean snapped my left ulna and radius last year in an accident, so both bones in my forearm are held together with plates and screws now. Since then, I really struggle to shift up to the big ring on my winter bike (Ultregra R8020), I really have to throw some weight behind it. But on my summer bike (Potenza disc) I have no issues at all. Before the accident if someone had asked me which was lighter to shift I'd have said Ultegra, but now it's pretty clear to me that it's not (at least on the front).
Sounds like you would be the ideal candidate for electronic shifting....
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Ha...you're not the first person to suggest that!
Why would someone who wrote "on my summer bike (Potenza disc) I have no issues at all" be an ideal candidate for electronic shifting?
Discs bring clear benefits, although I was reluctant to adopt them, but having tried electronic shifting (10-speed Ultegra di2), I went back to mechanical. I actually found it a backward step in functionality; hard to use in winter gloves, difficult to judge a multi-sprocket shift, and of course it needs charging, albeit infrequently. I can only imagine the love for electronic shifting is due to many people riding around on badly-setup mechanical systems.
You're building a Cinelli, yes? Cross Ultegra off your list.
Chorus disc 11 speed: £1000
Chorus disc 12 speed: £1300
Or... Potenza disc, which is the Ultegra equivalent, being made of aluminium rather than carbon fibre: £650
Those prices are from bikesy.co.uk.
Still some bargains to be had on 11-speed components on the usual continental websites - this from bike24:
Thank you, as mentioned on a previous post is potenza really an equivalent for ultegra? Price of potenza is great at the minute but chorus is a lot more pleasing on the eye.
Finding it hard to cut through the reviews of campag and shimano, seems to be some tribalism when it comes to favourite groupsets and that hinders the reviews.
How do you want to measure it? In terms of weight and materials, yes Potenza ~ Ultegra. IMHO, in terms of ergonomics, Ultegra is nowhere near as good as Potenza, but that's because I hate flappy brake levers and like feedback. Shimano don't really make anything that's the equal of even Chorus, in terms of materials.
Is Chorus worth the extra £350? I'd say mmm-yes-probably. Chorus and up has Ultrashift, which can multi-shift gears in both directions. The best thing about this isn't that you can get your sprint on a second or two earlier, but that you can drop from the big to the small ring while simultaneously shifting multiple gears on the cassette to end up in exactly the same gear ratio. All with a flick of the thumbs.
Is 12 speed worth the extra £300? Don't know, haven't tried it.
Always been a bit ignorant when its come to campagnolo. Genuinely believed it was all about looks rather than function. That might be down to the popularity of shimano in the uk.
Denfitnely had my head turned in the past week. I wont opt for the 12 speed as I really dont see that offering 300 pounds worth of benefit.
When I was buying my first 'serious' bike and actually had a choice of groupset, I found it very difficult to test the options from the various manufacturers, so the choice was ubiquitous Ultegra (a safe bet, same manufacturer as I'd had on my entry level bike, and which was easy to test ride in a shop) or take a risk on something I'd never actually used. In the end I took a punt on SRAM Force and don't regret it, but I wish it was easier to try the various manufacturers' offerings when they form such a major part of the user experience. I've only used Campag once - Chrous 10 speed on a hire bike in Majorca. It was glorious to look at and to use - loved the mechanical clunk of dropping multiple cogs via the tumbshifter when cresting a hill, and I found the hoods very comfy. But then Shimano Claris would probably feel glorious in Majorca too.
Campagnolo themselves say that functionality comes first, then form. Here's mine:
This is an interesting one. The assumption with Ultegra vs Chorus is that both are second tier groupsets and are therefore equivalent. A quick look at their respective RRPs and 'sales' prices however shows a 30%+ difference - with Ultegra at GBP 600-650 and Chorus somewhere in the GBP 950 - 1000 range (so as expensive as Dura Ace). Campagnolo will tell you that Potenza is the Ultegra equivalent - but they would because they want Ultegra money for their third tier groupset...
You'll get chapter and verse on here as to why this is, but this pricing differential also holds for eBay prices too... They're both great groupsets (I - stupidly and for historical reasons - have both - but with rim brakes).... Ultegra replacement parts are cheaper too, if your bike is going to be a work-horse.
I could be provocative and say why, if you're going to put a Japanese groupset on an Italian frame, not put on 105 at circa GPB 400....? It's as good as Ultegra...
Simply too much choice. I would love to set the bike up truly Italian but the cmapags extra price seems to be for cosmetic and prestige from the reviews I've read.
105 is always praised as the best value for money groupset but for me out of the 105 and ultegra I'd just spend the extra 100 gbp.
Absolute mine fleid.
Potenza then - it comes in silver or black.... and you could always upgrade the chainset at some point (it's arguably the least aesthetically pleasing of the range)...
Best of luck. Post some pictures.
Probably for the current prices?
I wish that it was as simple as that.
Wiggle have recently added roughly a 100 pound to their rim brake ultegra groupset
I haven't been shopping around long and was hoping an experienced rider with his finger on the pulse might tell me whether the current prices are inflated by the rise in bike popularity since lockdown commenced.
I've got until October to replace my current bike so I have the time to sit and shop if it's likely to prove beneficial.
Perhaps wait until October and see if the price drops before then? My crystal ball is playing up unfortunately
If you are putting on that Cinelli frame, then it needs to be Campag!
That's my hope rich. Always been put off by campags extra premium but their kit is beautiful aesthetically.
Don't be put off by the price! i think campag is worth it hands down.
without wanting to turn this into a shimano vs campag slanging match, i think most people will always prefer the feel of one over the other. Campag will give you a wonderfully assertive 'thunk' every time you change, it's got a sort of mechanically positive feel to it which you either like or don't. I find ultegra and dura ace too slick, almost oily and overly easy, but it is personal choice.
One big thing though is the one lever one function philosophy with campag and their much more ergonomically designed hoods and levers...
I'll also add that i have 12 speed record rim brake and it's fab. it REALLY is worth going to 12 over 11, not just for the aesthetics, but the functionality is much better than before, and I have gone from super record 11sp to record 12sp
lastly as a point about potenza vs chorus, I'd go for chorus as it's easier to service at home as it uses ultra torque rather than power torque for the crank set...my old athena was power torque and it was a bit of a pain...
Potenza uses ultra torque.
I stand corrected! i must admit i thought the original potenza was power torque..??
I think Potenza rim brake was originally, but the disc groupset has always been UT. Looking on their website now it looks like all groupsets use UT, even Centaur.
Fully agree - I have Shimano Ultegra and Campag 12s Record.
Both shift gears but the Campag is more " mechanical" and positive - I prefer descending with a brake lever which has a single function and will not flap about side to side. I smile every time I shift with Campag - Shimano just happens!
And if you've ever had to repair a lever - the Shimano has about a million moving parts whereas Campag has about 3!
If you live where I think that you do too, Swinnertons and Rourkies can get hold of spares really easily.
Only downside is price - heart over head!