Traffic monitoring group apologises for telling cyclists not to ride at night; Tory politician demands “nonsense” Hyde Park cycle lane is axed; Giro queen stage; Snow joke; Bike hangars; And then there were two; Bicycle hospital + more on the live blog
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Traffic Wales South apologises for telling cyclists not to ride at night
We sincerely apologise for this previous tweet. We intended to say please avoid cycling at night without lights, high vis etc. We want to encourage all everyone to access our network safely by sharing safety advice that is useful for all road users.
— Traffic Wales South #KeepWalesSafe (@TrafficWalesS) May 21, 2021
Traffic Wales South deleted its tweet promptly after receiving a backlash for saying cyclists should avoid riding at night. The traffic monitoring group was accused of victim-blaming and missing the point over the list of ‘five safe tips for being a bicyclist’, which included: “avoid riding at night”.
In response, the group apologised and said what they really meant was to “avoid cycling at night without lights”.
“We sincerely apologise,” Traffic Wales South tweeted. “We intended to say please avoid cycling at night without lights, high vis etc. We want to encourage all everyone to access our network safely by sharing safety advice that is useful for all road users.”
The original tweet was ridiculed on Twitter and got plenty of attention in the comments on our original story too…
Wycombewheeler said: “I know Wales is further west than where I live, but I’m fairly sure people still finish work after sunset in the winter. Are these people suggesting cyclists should be allowed to leave work earlier, because they think it is impossible to keep the roads safe during the hours of darkness?”
hawkinspeter suggested some extra ‘safe tips’: “Ensure that drivers behind you are paying attention and aren’t listening to music. Only cycle where there aren’t any cars or lorries. If a car is behind you, carefully dismount and doff your cap as you allow them to speed past you.”
Egan Bernal wins shortened Giro d'Italia queen stage in the cold as Hugh Carthy jumps to third
Pulling off the jacket on a wet, cobbled finish to post up in the maglia rosa is such an absolute baller move #Giro https://t.co/qQeBEc0VFj
— Neal Rogers (@nealrogers) May 24, 2021
Well, we didn’t see much of it but we did catch the final 500m where the TV pictures were unaffected by the weather…
Egan Bernal has one hand on the maglia rosa after another incredible performance, and he wanted everyone to know it—stripping off his rain jacket for the winner’s salute across the line. Romain Bardet and Damiano Caruso were 27 seconds behind. Caruso, enjoying the Grand Tour of his career, is now second on GC 2:24 behind Bernal. Hugh Carthy has jumped onto the podium at 3:40.
Simon Yates was one of the big losers on today’s stage, getting dispatched on Passo Giau and limping home more than 2:30 behind the stage winner. Yates has now dropped to fifth. The stragglers are still making their way to the finish. Keep an eye on the live blog for all the reaction to a chilling day at the Giro…the riders have certainly earned their rest day tomorrow.
Chris Hall announces second Nuts and Bolts attempt
Some nice news now…Chris Hall is having another crack at the Nuts and Bolts ride which involves cycling from England’s most western point to the most eastern point as quickly as possible. Just over a month ago Chris ended his first attempt in Andover after being pushed off his bike by a gang of men.
“On the 29th May, I’ll be heading back down to Land’s End to have another crack,” Chris explained. “Cycling from England’s most western point to the most eastern point, Ness Point as quick as I can to raise money for the incredible work carried out by Movember. If you are able to support in some way, it’s hugely appreciated. If I could ask you to do one thing, it’s to talk more. I hope by continuing these challenges, I can draw more attention to men’s mental health.”
Good luck, Chris…
Should Remco Evenepoel be pulled out of the Giro by Deceuninck-Quick-Step?
In my opinion Remco Evenepoel should not finish this Giro d’Italia. He gained valuable experience but he comes back from a grueling injury.
There is only one option left now and that’s a stage win. Judging by today that would be a miracle.
Recover and focus on next goals: Tokyo
— José Been (@TourDeJose) May 24, 2021
Remco Evenepoel’s GC challenge disappeared up the road on the Giro d’Italia queen stage as Deceuninck-Quick-Step’s wonderkid struggled in the dismal high mountain conditions. Two weeks of continuous racing off the back of a nine-month layoff after a shocking crash at Il Lombardia caught up with Evenepoel as the 21-year-old dropped 24 minutes to stage winner Egan Bernal and slumped to 19th on GC.
Is it fair to push Evenepoel through a third week? Should his development be prioritised over finishing the race for the sake of it?
The Belgian rider’s family said earlier in the Giro that they are just pleased to see him back racing after the horror crash last August which left him in hospital with a fractured pelvis and contusion to his lung. Was a Grand Tour first race back too big a challenge?
How the pros dealt with the cold
Was a bad idea, I was on fire in the first climb…
— Valter Attila (@ValterAttila) May 24, 2021
We won’t be updating our feature on cold weather riding with the Attila Valter method just yet. No gloves for George Bennett…hard as nails. Maybe that is what is in the musette?
George Bennett rolling into town with wonky glasses and still wearing a casquette basically sums up the day 😅#Giro pic.twitter.com/y7KTxISzM3
— Dan Deakins (@DanDeakins) May 24, 2021
These were the scenes at the top of Passo Giau…
📍Passo Giau pic.twitter.com/cBOZEUSUku
— Équipe Cycliste Groupama-FDJ (@GroupamaFDJ) May 24, 2021
Better coverage than the broadcasters
Igor Tavella has single-handedly outdone all the broadcasters for race coverage today with his live stream from the top of Passo Giau…just look at that picture quality…
Over to Gennaro Gattuso to sum up the TV pictures…
Images today #Giro pic.twitter.com/HonQ1KrbWN
— Nairo Quintana Fanclub (@NairoInGreen) May 24, 2021
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It's not a 'statement' though - it's road.cc's words, based on l'Equipe's interpretation. The actual statement issued on it said that the judge authorised it "guaranteeing strict proportionality between the infringements on the rights of the athlete and the stakes of the fight against doping in terms of fair competition and protection of his health."
Trust me Callum, if you'd grown up watching the Tour in the 1980s, as I did, you would not be hankering after those long flat stages that weren't even as exciting as watching paint dry, it was more like listening to paint dry. As for the supposed benefits of those long TTs, what did they give us? Indurain winning five Tours in a row without winning a single road stage in any of them. As McT says below, you simply can't Pogacar-proof a course and we just have to accept, and enjoy, the fact that we are watching the greatest GT cyclist of all time. Anyway I think it has been a great Tour so far, yes no enormous drama about the inevitable winner (though of course Vinegaard and now Lipowitz have shown us that anything can happen) but just about every day has had a fascinating plot and multiple subplots. Some time in the future there will be another Indurain-style winner, playing it cautious, following moves, making incremental gains and winning without ever lighting up the race and we'll be saying I wish the old days of Pogacar making those spectacular solo breaks were back.
The main issue is the layout of the stages with the bigger climb first then a shallow finish climb. It means pogacar can get a gap at the top of the big climb and then stretch 10-15 seconds to a minute plus at the finish over smaller riders like Vingegaard. A summit finish on the hardest climb might not lead to the most exciting racing but equally would keep the gaps closer. I totally agree with the TT kms though, they should have 60+km tts in the grand tours.
@MaxiMinimalist I mean, that statement makes it sound like they had reason to think those two are doping. Either they didn't follow procedure and are making shit up to cover themselves up or something is going on.
Quite possibly. But the changeover time loss would be a bit more significant if it was done on the flat just after the downhill when the riders are travelling faster, the deceleration, changeover and acceleration loss could easily be around 30 seconds, which is quite a lot of a 34 minute effort.
So Skoda have taken a leaf out of Dung-Old Karen Taco Trump's book and are re-naming something when they have no authority to do so?
@Mr Blackbird Fair points, though I was wondering if doing the climb and descent on a standard bike and swapping to TT for the flat section would have been worth it? Certainly quite a few riders seemed to be having handling difficulties maintaining the best line on the descent with their TT machines.
No. The climb wasn't severely steep and allowed a reasonable speed to be maintained on a TT bike, his bike handling skills on road or TT bike are outstanding for the descent and on a road bike he would have lost a lot of time on the flat last 9k section. Terrific performance by him though!
I have been stopped on my velomobile and reprimanded for not having a number plate. The police desisted after I showed them that there was no motor at all, and were surprised as they'd followed me for a mile or two on the flat and hadn't realised that cyclists could go that fast - velomobiles are devastatingly quick on the flat, and slow heavy bikes uphill. I'm fairly sure that I would have found myself in a lot of trouble had I had any motor at all - even a legal one that would be very useful on the Welsh hills. It's very much put me off installing one.
Would he have performed better on his normal bike?
35 thoughts on “Traffic monitoring group apologises for telling cyclists not to ride at night; Tory politician demands “nonsense” Hyde Park cycle lane is axed; Giro queen stage; Snow joke; Bike hangars; And then there were two; Bicycle hospital + more on the live blog”
How is it that these people
How is it that these people can’t understand that it’s not bikes or bike lanes that cause congestion or pollution? It’s cars!
How is it that they can’t see that increasing cycling infrastructure and making it less and less attractive to drive when there are other efficient methods of getting places is the best way to reduce congestion and pollution?
Clearly idiocy is a part of the qualification for being a Conservative councillor.
Populist politicians don’t
Populist politicians don’t tend to have much time for logic or reasoned thinking sadly.
The masses are stupuid, its
The masses are stupuid, its really that simple. Its not political. Look at the Congestion charge, it did nothing for congestion or air quality in London. It’s going to take a long, long time for opinions to change.
Yes, they absolutely are.
Yes, they absolutely are. Moaning about cyclists causing congestion, all the while they sit in their car, in said congestion – go figure. Yet, they all carry on doing the same thing – day after day, sitting in their cars on their daily commute…..They never learn, because they’re right (and stupid) – and it’s all the cyclists fault.
Velophaart_95 wrote:
Insanity may be defined as the repetition of an action with the expectation of a different outcome.
alexuk wrote:
If the congestion charge does not dissuade people from using their cars, it’s obviously not set high enough.
alexuk wrote:
Didn’t it? https://theconversation.com/amp/london-congestion-charge-what-worked-what-didnt-what-next-92478 seems to suggest that it did.
In many parts of the UK we don’t have the space for all the cars people want to use or store, and we don’t have the means to tidy up their outputs of gasses, rubber particles and mangled pedestrians and cyclists. Something has to be done, and for decades this country has assumed that the only way to change behaviour is to change costs as we’re all too thick and selfish to do anything for any other reason.
as well as the ignorance of
as well as the ignorance of what causes traffic seems odd that those same politicians who criticise unnecessary spending are happy to spend more money to remove something that is working. removing something will cost no less than putting it in…
Not sure how I feel about
Not sure how I feel about this one, there is after all a cycle lane running paralell to park lane within the park.
However traffic on park lane is predominantly driver by how quickler cars can pass around the marble arch junction. At his junction no car capacity has been lost, so is the cycle really causing any delays at all to motorists? or just allowing cyclists not to choose between filtering through densely packed stationary traffic or dodging the pedestrians walking on the cycle path in the park?
I don’t know this area, but I
I don’t know this area, but I find it odd that politicians would say “we don’t need a cycle path here because there is another one parallel to it” but aren’t prepared to also say “we can easily close off one lane of this road to motorised traffic because there is another lane next to it, plus another road running parallel to it”.
the little onion wrote:
Expecting logic or sense from our politicians was always a bit optimistic, but having Boris the Liar as PM seems to have given permission for them to dump the concepts completely; rather like Trump in America.
having used both directions
having used both directions on park lane and the route through the park I still find it odd that people don’t understand that there can be different types of cycle lane – as there are roads – shared paths are often suited to slower /safer journeys/leisure , while segregated cycle routes can be efficient / quicker routes across longer distances..the new cycle lane along the a200 tooley street from tower bridge to southwark park is great..
wycombewheeler wrote:
The cycle lane through the park is a nightmare in normal (i.e. non-pandemic) times, absolutely packed with tourists ambling to and fro across it, free running dogs and kids etc. I often used to ride up Park Lane (even though a bit of a nerve-jangler even for a very experienced and fastish London cyclist), especially in summer, rather than risk hurting myself or others by cutting through the park. People can argue (if they must) that cars need more space, but the oft-stated claim (not by you) that there’s a “perfectly good” cycle lane in Hyde Park simply isn’t true, it’s a poorly marked packed shared path.
Of course we could ask Royal Parks to create a properly-marked-separated-from-foot-traffic cycle lane, but given their general attitude to cycling not sure we’d get very far.
“Tory Politician” really is
“Tory Politician” really is the English press equivalent of “Florida Man”.
So is Kensington High Street
So is Kensington High Street a free flowing traffic paradise now the cycle lane has been ripped out? Any data out there?
Genuine question…thought we could all hazard a guess at the answer…
EddyBerckx wrote:
I haven’t got any data but I do ride down it a couple of times a week around rushhour – same old snarled up shitshow as ever, not noticeably different from when the cycle lane was in situ.
Rendel Harris wrote:
Yeah but the drivers haven’t got any riders zipping past them anymore to remind them what mugs they are.
As far as I can see, the
As far as I can see, the proportion of Park Lane that is allocated to space-efficient and non-polluting forms of transport is working fine and is free flowing (bus and bike). The part that is allocated to inefficient and polluting forms of transport, not so much. The obvious thing, based on the evidence, is to increase the allocation to non-polluting and effcient modes of transport and use the available space well. The stupid thing to do would be to allocate more to the inefficient forms in the vain hope that the extra space would overcome the inefficiency and pollution. On cue, we have a dim-wit up on the stump calling for stupidity now.
Just been reading The Ranty
Just been reading The Ranty Highwayman’s blog at
https://therantyhighwayman.blogspot.com/2021/05/earlier-this-week-i-gave-talk-to-cyclox.html
Interesting factoid for you:
Could they just close the M25
Could they just close the M25 or North and South Circular roads? On the face of it, pretty much parallel, seem to do the same job of vehicle storage.
TheBillder wrote:
Actually, a more specific example in the current debates around cycling infrastructure – doesn’t this argument about the cycle lane in Hyde Park support the case for LTNs? i.e closing some roads to through traffic because there are other roads cars can go on?
(Edit – I should read all the posts before commenting. I see Little Onion has already made the same point.)
My point really (could have
My point really (could have been better expressed) is that just because there’s something that looks a bit similar nearby, it doesn’t mean that there is no need for an item.
As Rendel says, a shared use path in a park isn’t often suitable for commuting. So both are probably needed.
Is it not called the Glasgow
Is it not called the Glasgow Evening Times any more?
ratherbeintobago wrote:
No. It was rebranded the Glasgow Times in December 2019, although ‘Evening’ still appears on the logo/masthead/whatever.
My bike, ‘ambulance-lifted’
My bike, ‘ambulance-lifted’ to St George’s A&E a bit over a week ago, and keeping me company. Both feeling rather sorry for ourselves after we were ‘attacked by a car’. The doctor who discharged me many hours later used the words ‘miraculous escape’.
If a scissor-wielding para-medic hasn’t turned a new pair of Assos bibs into a black mankini and a jersey into a boob tube while you are lying prostrate in the gutter, you have avoided one of life’s more surreal experiences. On the plus side, it wasn’t raining
Best wishes for a speedy
Best wishes for a speedy recovery
Chain doesn’t look too happy
Chain doesn’t look too happy !
Bars, stem, shifters, RD and
Bars, stem, shifters, RD and pedals not too happy and a big query over the forks. Every item of clothing and shoes destroyed. At that point, the elbow you see belonged to my sole functioning limb and that had a canula in it. I entered with suspected broken femur, pelvis, wrist and neck, plus internal injuries and the usual cuts and grazes and limped out 9 hours later. Back on the bike (a different one), but not pain free.
The doctor who discharged me
” The doctor who discharged me many hours later used the words ‘miraculous escape’. “
He wasn’t kidding at all then !
Back on the bike (a different
Back on the bike (a different one), but not pain free
It takes longer than you expect to recover from a heavy crash, even when there are no broken bones, disrupted tendons/ ligaments etc. My crash on ice on Christmas Eve was my own fault and there was very little effect on the bike. I managed to get home despite the pain in R hip/ pelvis and R shoulder. It got worse that evening but I did some riding every day afterwards- wary of another crash on the icy roads around Christmas/ New Year. I couldn’t see any bruises but there must have been torn muscle fibres with blood collections etc. I had to manually lift my leg over the top tube to start. At least the L leg and arm were OK. It took about 4 weeks before I was almost back to normal.
Re: The Canal Artwork.
Re: The Canal Artwork.
How is it only cyclists that set it off as looks motion detecting to me.
How many cyclists might fall off / collide when distracted by it when the sounds start?
AlsoSomniloquism wrote:
— AlsoSomniloquismThe same thing occurred to me, and having something so distracting to cyclists next to a canal is clearly dangerous; clearly they didn’t do a H&S assessment. Would that be acceptable if it was on a road?
Anyone not expecting it would go “WTF”, look around and go straight into the water.
None of Traffic South Wales “
None of Traffic South Wales “..five safe tips for being a safe bicyclist” are particularly going to make you safe e.g. I’ve never yet met a cyclist who didn’t watch out for and avoid road hazards, and one of the problems is that we have to spend so much time looking out for potholes that we miss other things.
But they’re only apologising for the last one, about riding at night. Maybe they should forget the whole thing until they have a basic understanding of what makes cycling safe.
I’m surprised no-one has
I’m surprised no-one has commented on the squalid weaselling from Traffic Wales- when they wrote ‘avoid riding at night’, ‘don’t ride at night’ is what they meant. When Northumbria Police wrote ‘don’t ride at busy times’, that’s what they meant. They thought they could get away with it, and later be able to comment about cyclists killed or injured at night or at busy times in such a way as to make it clear that what they really mean is ‘it’s his own fault’. Writing what you mean is not that difficult when what you’re writing about is clearly not a matter for levity in an official statement from an influential official organisation. Both the ‘clarifications’ from these organisations are really lies to avert further criticism.
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So, what? They ran out of characters on twitter or something?