A woman from Bristol says she is being “penalised” after receiving nine points on her driving licence due to being caught breaking a 20 mile an hour speed limit three times within the past month.
30-year-old Rosy Allen fears she will be banned from driving if she is caught speeding again, reports the Bristol Post.
She told the newspaper: “I just feel really gutted. I don’t think it’s fair I’m being penalised for something everyone does.”
Earlier this month, research by the University of the West of England found that the city-wide speed limit had saved four lives and prevented 11 serious injuries in Bristol since it began to be phased in during 2014.
Government figures published last year, however, suggested that four in five drivers across the UK ignore 20 mile an hour limits, prompting campaigners to call for greater enforcement.
> 20mph speed limits ignored by four in five drivers
Ms Allen was caught by mobile speed cameras deployed by Avon & Somerset Constabulary.
The force provides advance notice of where they will be each week, with the list also published by the Bristol Post.
But Ms Allen insisted: “I do respect the 20 mph limit but no one drives at that speed. It’s so hard to drive at that speed.
“It’s really disappointing. I feel the system isn’t there to help people like me.
“I’m made to feel like a criminal for doing something everyone does.”
“I know it’s not okay but I’m going 26mph.
“It’s going to destroy my business,” she added, explaining that she wouldn’t be able to visit customers in person if she were banned.
The Bristol Post reported that while some motorists in Bristol caught breaking the law by exceeding the 20 mile an hour limit could attend a driver awareness course rather than have their licence endorsed with penalty points, that option was not available to Ms Allan.
The reason? She had also recently been caught driving through a red traffic light.
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81 thoughts on “Driver risks losing licence for repeatedly breaking 20mph limit”
“I just feel really gutted.
“I just feel really gutted. I don’t think it’s fair I’m being penalised for something everyone does.”
Ha ha ha!
Awwww didums
Awwww didums
Sounds like the sooner she loses her licence the better.
Ms Allen wrote:
Lift your right foot slightly off the accelerator until the needle on the speedo is hovering on/below the “20” on the dial. See? Not that hard really!
CygnusX1 wrote:
And whilst you are doing that you are not looking at the road. It takes about 2 seconds to check your speedometer and at 20mph thats about 50 feet of action you didn’t see. It’s just a matter of time before the defense says he had to check his speedometer and whilst doing that he didn’t see the cyclist.
Waiting for the abuse as usual but then who cares about the facts?
OldMixte wrote:
Does it bollocks, in any case your checking speed regularly, if you can’t check your speed and continually have control/be aware of everything around you then you shouldn’t be on the roads, period.
OldMixte wrote:
That maybe so, but if your vision is so poor that you can only see 50 feet ahead, I suggest that your licence is handed in at the first opportunity.
Facts are that you should have enough information from the view ahead in order to make a quick glance at the speedo.
She really is a special kind of stupid and selfish and really shouldn’t be on the road.
OldMixte wrote:
Who cares about the facts? Not you, clearly.
OldMixte wrote:
No abuse, but if you can’t get a good idea of your speed from outside cues like engine tone and the speed at which the surroundings are coming towards you and going past you, maybe you should think about giving up driving. I regularly hop off the bike and straight into the car whilst still in lycra to go and pick up the missus at the station. As I’m driving through ___________, which is a 20 limit, I hardly ever need to look at the speedometer, because I can guage my speed with the aforementioned cues. When I do look, I am rarely out by more than 1 or 2 mph.
OldMixte wrote:
So please tell me how far you travel when checking your speed at 30mph, 40mph, 50mph, 60mph? After all, whatever the limit is, you have to check your speed occasionally, or does this somehow magically apply only to 20mph limits?
By using your “logic” any speed limit increases risk because drivers have to check their speed.
I’d like to think of some suitable abuse, but nothing I can think of sums up your complete lack of sense in a snappy, witty way, so consider yourself abused in whatever way offends you most.
burtthebike wrote:
I use the satnav that warns me, and if you care to check the research you will find the safest speed for any road is the 85th percentile not some artificial limit imposed because it seems the right thing to do.
Oh dear Research again, so boring.
OldMixte wrote:
Are you the same guy who came out with this nonsense last time round? Trying again? If you check the research you’ll find your claim is twaddle. It’s just something some US highway engineers made up. There’s no reason why non-drivers should have to accept the jdugement of drivers as to what speed is ‘safe’. 85% of drivers are no more an authority than one driver. You don’t get to make that decision unilaterally.
FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:
“It’s just something some US highway engineers made up. “
Now why would they make that up, ever heard of Pareto?
OldMixte wrote:
Congratulations you’ve just made an excuse case for driving at 20.
Let’s assume everything you say is true.
So if you drive at 30 and check your speed that would be 75 feet you ‘didnt see’.
So definitely drive at 20.
fenix wrote:
And whilst you are doing that you are not looking at the road. It takes about 2 seconds to check your speedometer and at 20mph thats about 50 feet of action you didn’t see. It’s just a matter of time before the defense says he had to check his speedometer and whilst doing that he didn’t see the cyclist.
Waiting for the abuse as usual but then who cares about the facts?
— CygnusX1 Congratulations you’ve just made an excuse case for driving at 20. Let’s assume everything you say is true. So if you drive at 30 and check your speed that would be 75 feet you ‘didnt see’. So definitely drive at 20.— Ms Allen
So why not introduce the 4mph limit and the man in the red flag? Speed vs safety is always a compromise, the faster you go the worst the impact, pure physics, so if you follow your argument the motorways should all travel at 5 mph? So should cyclists, they hurt when they hit someone.
“There’s an old folks home
“There’s an old folks home half way along the road and some of those pensioners are slow to cross. I suppose I’m expected to stop running them over now, pretty pointless as they’re almost dead anyway. Political correctness gone mad!” said Ms Allen
“I do respect the 20mph limit
“I do respect the 20mph limit”
Course you do sweetheart – by repeatedly exceeding it, and being caught doing it and penalised for doing it..
Zebulebu wrote:
I must say that line is a classic. It’s like a rapist saying he respects women’s rights.
How stupid is she though seeing as she got caught 3 times? Most people that get caught didn’t see the cameras quick enough but still saw them. She must totally clueless and best removed from the roads – god knows what else she won’t see, like kids and stuff that 20 zones are for.
Now, where did I leave my
Now, where did I leave my tiny violin…?
Earlier this month, research
We should be talking about this more. Too many drivers see road regulations as an assault on their ‘freedoms’ – rather than as things that save lives.
And how is it hard to go at the speed limit when others aren’t? Are they viariously pressing their imaginary foot on her accelerator. I don’t understand.
[quote] Earlier this month, research by the University of the West of England found that the city-wide speed limit had saved four lives and prevented 11 serious injuries in Bristol since it began to be phased in during 2014.
You’d think that if driving a
You’d think that if driving a motor vehicle was so crucial to her business, that she’d maybe pay a little more attention to her driving? I’m sorry, but I really have no sympathy for her.
But Ms Allen insisted: “I do
But Ms Allen insisted: “I do respect the 20 mph limit but no one drives at that speed. It’s so hard to drive at that speed.”
I would suggest that from this statement alone she needs to learn the logical fallacy of her thinking but with this statement you’d have to question her intellectual capacity for thought let alone to drive and she’d save everyone time by just returning her licence.
This sort of stuff is getting
This sort of stuff is getting tiresome round here, are stories like this going to end up fostering a safer environment for us all on the roads, or just carry on driving a massive wedge between road users depending on their favoured method of transportation?
Wonder if road.cc have any desire to try and improve matters, or whether stories like this are just too good for clicks/adverts/comments/feeling smug about pointing out that people in cars are terrible…? Flame away…
andym999 wrote:
Would you not concede that she is wrong?
I mean, Lord Moton only puts 20mph on roads with some pretty bad safety issues, or a primary school etc.
That she has been CAUGHT exceeding 3 times suggests she’s an incident waiting to happen.
Is it newsworthy, yes. Is her attitude Alliston-esque, probably!
alansmurphy wrote:
To be fair, Bristol has implemented the 20mph limit on most of the central roads regardless of safety issues (which I agree with as drivers couldn’t be trusted to keep to the previous 30mph limits).
I don’t get why she doesn’t just slow down a bit. If she’s that important that a few seconds will make a huge difference, then she can get a chauffeur to drive her around instead.
hawkinspeter wrote:
Or a bike 😉
andym999 wrote:
Similar fucked-up thinking to the dipshit driver.
Yes, it is road.cc driving the wedge, by reporting on innocent drivers too self-important and/or thick to not get caught speeding 3 times (in a month!) in the same area, and then crying about it.
Always someone else’s fault.
andym999 wrote:
Today I learnt that road safety can be completely solved by just stopping Road.cc from publishing any articles that paint bad drivers in a bad light. Who’da’thunk’it?
“Earlier this month, research
“Earlier this month, research by the University of the West of England found that the city-wide speed limit had saved four lives and prevented 11 serious injuries in Bristol since it began to be phased in during 2014.”
No arguement could ever take precedence over the above statement and yet some car drivers will try.
And twunts like her think
And twunts like her think bikes shouldn’t be on the road, or that they all go through red lights.
You’re supposed to learn from your mistakes, the first time she got caught and fined should have made here realise SHE DID SOMETHING WRONG.
“Never have a battle of wits
“Never have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.”
― Mark Twain
On the bright side the
On the bright side the comments section on the Bristol Post website is now my favourite place on the internet
number9dream wrote:
Speaking as a Bristolian, I would warn you not to get pulled into that mire. It is like the comments at the Daily Mail but without the respect, wit and humanity.
bsknight wrote:
Lol – thanks for the warning – I realised that pretty quickly!
bsknight wrote:
They’re a harmless bunch of crayon munchers.
bsknight wrote:
Or the intelligence. I long ago gave up reading the comments on any cycling story because they would be overwhelmed by ignorant petrolheads who must have cheated the driving test.
This woman sounds like a
This woman sounds like a complete moron. Probably best for all of us if she gets banned.
Get caught once speeding in a
Get caught once speeding in a 20 zone, fair enough everyone can make a mistake.
Get caught twice (in the same month) and you’re showing you don’t learn.
Get caught 3 times in a month, having previously been done for running a red light, and it shows you simply have no respecxt for the posted rules, or simply no ability behind the wheel and so removal from the driving population is probably for the best.
“I feel like I’m being made to feel like a criminal”, that would be a person who breaks the laws then ? Such as, just as a random example, driving a motor vehicle in excess of the posted speed limit, or failing to stop at a red traffic control signal ?
“I feel like the system isn’t
“I feel like the system isn’t there to help people like me”
No it’s to protect the vulnerable from people like you.
“It’s so hard to drive at
“It’s so hard to drive at that speed.”
my car does exactly 20mph at idle in 4th gear…
Ahh that’s put a smile on my
Ahh that’s put a smile on my face. Maybe she should be made to read the west midlands police blog post from last year that was on here the other week, just sums up the complete lack of awareness of the responsibility she has as a driver. If she drives at 26 in a 20 what speed does she drive at in a 30?
The fact that the locations of the speed checks are published in advance really does show the stupidity at getting caught that often.
On LinkedIn her top 3 skills
On LinkedIn her top 3 skills are listed as ‘communication, compassion and risk management’.
muhasib wrote:
Definitely not driving, respecting the law or planning. The most incredible thing is that she went public expecting sympathy. Unfortunately representative of a group of drivers who feel entitled to do whatever speed they like and put others at risk because they are important, not like us plebs.
I’m torn between hoping her business fails and that it doesn’t because other people will lose their jobs.
With regards to 20mph zones,
With regards to 20mph zones, West Midlands Traffic Unit (who many cyclists will know as the country’s most progressive force) recently wrote:
” We need somewhere in the region of one in four compliance for the limits to be effective given urban traffic levels, the one in four slow everyone else down and produce safer roads.”
https://trafficwmp.wordpress.com/2017/02/10/driving-an-extinction-event/
dafyddp wrote:
but if its 1 in 50 in most 20mph zones Id be pleasantly surprised and WMP seem to be the only force bothering with compliance,so whilst her view shouldnt excuse her actions, shes right practically no-one bothers obeying them, so why should she ?
I know if Im heading up towards 20mph on my road thats a 20limit and approaching near 20 years of zero enforcement, Ive been overtaken by cars driving on the pavement to get around or Ill have the car behind so close to me, its practically pushing me along, or theyll overtake, then slam on the brakes for the speed bump, then speed off again, and you just end up pulling up behind them at the end of the road
Awavey wrote:
I thought she was caught in Bristol, so WMP aren’t the only ones bothering with compliance. Yes I’ve been overtaken whilst driving in 20 and 30 mph zones too, but I continue to drive within the limits as I want other drivers to do that exact same thing when I’m on my bike. Do I have a dash cam? Actually yes and great fun it can be too.
Really, two seconds to check
Really, two seconds to check your speed?
Unless you’re driving a vintage number with a tiny panel I am surprised that it would take you that long.
“why should she?”
“why should she?”
Well that’s the easy one. The issue is that the other drivers you describe think you are the idiot!
I would comment but I passed
I would comment but I passed out from banging my head against a wall.
Home taping is killing
Home taping is killing pedestrians and cyclists.
…is a phrase I’ve never heard used ever. Not all laws are there for convenience, to be ignored when you fancy.
I too feel superior to this
I too feel superior to this woman and have the need to comment that she is a stupid head.
Updated BristolPost article
Updated BristolPost article is here – Bristol reacts! https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-reacts-after-woman-caught-1271747
Feminism scores another
Feminism scores another victory.
Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:
Pourquoi?
Leviathan wrote:
Parce que nous voyons ici une femme incapable d’accepter que ses actes aient des conséquences. Tout ce qui lui arrive, c’est forcément la faute à quelqu’un d’autre.
Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:
I follow your french, but not your logic. There are plenty of male drivers who fail to see their actions have consequences – how is this a feminist issue?
Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:
Bigotry scores another comment.
Deeferdonk wrote:
Yeah, that guy is quite literally Hitler.
Yorkshire wallet wrote:
Bigotry scores another comment.
— Deeferdonk Yeah, that guy is quite literally Hitler.— Legs_Eleven_Worcester
This is massive. History tells us he killed himself in 1945. How is he still alive? Why is he posting on an english language cycling website? Why has he chosen the username “Legs_Eleven_Worcester”? So many questions! Have you told the media or the authorities about this? He must be really old now but he should still stand trail for his crimes.
Deeferdonk wrote:
Obviously you haven’t seen the Hitler Rants Parodies, otherwise you would know that he is still alive and he’s even had friendly chats with all the other Hitlers – and that he farts a lot and doesn’t know where Berlin is and doesn’t like baldy headed people or that twat Fegalein – who? – Fegelein – FEGELEIN.
leqin wrote:
Don’t be silly, the hitler rant videos are just a clip from the movie Downfall, and people add their own subtitles in an attempt to be funny. Whereas this poster is the actual Hitler. Else Yorkshire Wallet is either lying or doesn’t know what the word “literally” means.
Being made to feel like a
Being made to feel like a criminal for breaking the law. How unfair.
Are we angry enough to do
Are we angry enough to do something about it yet?
No?
Ah, well.
I’ll check back in say, May or June of this year. Maybe sooner, when the next cyclist is killed, and you’re all beating your chest, tearing your clothes and wailing that it’s so unfair, and that something has to be done, and how can the courts let these drivers off with a suspended sentence and a four-month ban.
Toodle-pip.
Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:
Are we angry enough to do something about it yet?
……
Toodle-pip.
— Legs_Eleven_Worcester
Who are these “we”? In Blighty, everyone is “an individual” who, despite actually being a clone-mind of the mass-media (various crude flavours are possible) has “a right” to “freedom” to be hisself or herself. DailyMail-woman must remain unfettered! (Except by Paul Dacre’s Svengalis).
As to becoming angry then doing somthing about it – this seems the fundamental problem rather than any kind of solution. Regard the antic of a white van man or brat-delivery SUV driver for confirmation of this fact.
Cugel
I’m sure thi will be picked
I’m sure thi will be picked up on road.cc later, but it’s particularly relevant to this article. Edinburgh reporting a drop of 24% in road casulties since 20mph limit was introduced: https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/24-per-cent-drop-in-road-casualties-since-20mph-rolled-out-in-edinburgh-1-4696378
When will the evil that is
When will the evil that is the motor car be recognised for what it is? In a previous time, not so long ago, we British recognised the evil of guns and so legislated to vastly reduce their ownership by a population shot through (!) with self-centred little skinbag sociopaths who would ocassionally employ a gun to scratch their queer mental itch.
Yet the death rate from gun was small compared to the carnage wreaked by the car.
Of course, even cyclists will moan that the car is “convenient” or even “necessary”. Similar moans were heard about hand guns. Yet the car has only existed as a techno tool for a few decades – during which it has massacred millions and maimed billions. It’s only convenient until it isn’t, like a gun. And like a gun, it induces humans with a certain kind of human nature to be all-too-human (lethal, in this instance).
There are lifestyles and economic arrangements possible without a car. They might even be more “competitive”. They would scupper a number of vested interests, including the interest of Toads everywhere to drive about poop-poop style.
If we must have the dangerous things, they really ought to be regulated to the degree required by the amount of danger they pose. Allowing any eejit to drive one seems a poor notion. Allowing those that somehow become licensed to drive, despite their inability to do so, to continue to drive in a dangerous fashion seems even dafter.
One person’s freedom always detracts from the freedom of another (to live or go unmaimed, in this case) without the application of associated duties to mediate the freedom. Why don’t post-modern folk seem to know this?
Cugel
Cugel wrote:
No they weren’t.
fukawitribe wrote:
No they weren’t.
— Cugel
Yes they were. 🙂
Also that they were “a harmless pleasure”, just like driving your tin contraption about over-vigorously whilst pretending you’re an important Steve McQueen-like person on a mission, even if it is only to get to the hairdresser for a touch-up to your bufon.
Cugel
Several of the roads I use on
Several of the roads I use on my commute have 20mph limits. It’s interesting how many drivers routinely ignore those limits. For one of the roads it makes little sense in having the 20mph limit, as it’s wide and there isn’t a school around. But the others are narrow and the limit is sensible.
I pass the Herne Hill velodrome in Burbage Road in S London on my commute and it’s one of the 20mph roads. It’s of note that despite the speed bumps and the parked cars, many drivers want to go faster than 20mph. I was riding down there on my motorbike the other day and some poltroon in a Mercedes decided that 20mph was too slow, so after tailgating me, the driver overtook and sped off. Of course I overtook the Mercedes, and the car in front, at the next junction.
I am continually amazed at
I am continually amazed at the number of people here who are perfect, and who seem to be able to judge their speed perfectly and never make a mistake.
Use an on screen stop watch and check the time it takes to take start the clock, take your eyes off the computer screen, glance down to your keyboard and back to the screen and stop the watch. It’s around 1.5 seconds, which is normal for research has shown most people have a reaction time of around 0.7 seconds per task so my original 2 seconds isn’t far off.
As to judging speed, my bog standard family car will do 17 mph on the flat in 3rd without my foot on the throttle. The slightest pressure will take it over 20 mph and quite frankly I don’t believe anyone who says they know when they are 1mph over the limit without checking the speedo. I use my stat nav which beeps at me when I go over the limit, much safer than looking down at the speedo. As to Bristol, there aren’t many children who play in the middle of the A38 but like many of the arterial roads Red Trousers put a 20 mph limit on it which even the police don’t respect.
OldMixte wrote:
No-one is absolutely perfect but if you give a shit about others, about safety and are self critical and self analyse each and every time you go out (and indeed when you are on bike too) so that you better understand stuff, better understand why you have the power to ensure others are safe as well as yourself and that it is YOUR lawful responsbility to so so then you are massively less likely to be harming others.
When you learn to drive there are skills that are hugely important, like knowing how fast you’re going without having to spend 2 seconds looking at the speedometer or checking it constantly (like the usual BS spouted by those caught by speed cameras as to reasons why we shouldn’t have the cameras).
If you do all those things I suggest one does, you become far more aware of the hazard YOU present to others, not see them as the hazards, you see these things further in advance, you have more time to react and avoid because you are going at a speed you can stop well within the distance you can see to be clear, a rule that should be a MUST in the HC. You become more courteous to others, you actually drive more relaxed too (not always because some twonk can irk you big time on occasion)
Does this standard of driving come instantly, no it doesn’t, but you can help yourself become better straight from day one by having the correct mindset and taking responsibility for safety of others which IS in your control. You can go on advanced driving courses too which will give you a better understanding. In fact I think this should be the standard for all drivers not just a select few.
I was 23 when I started driving lessons properly, I’d already been riding in heavy traffic for about 6 years, cycling on the road does IMHO give you a massive head start over other newbies and I took to driving very quickly.
300,000 ish miles later and despite driving lots in peak hours including trudging up and down the A1, around the M25 and lots of times into that there London for 10 years I haven’t scratched anyone nor made them feel fear of harm. As I said, I’m not perfect but I try to ensure I’m doing the most I can when I have a machine in my control that I know is all too easily capable of killing many people if I lose control/lack attention for even a second or two. That should be the norm not the exception.
OldMixte wrote:
So having had your “facts” torn to shreds, you resort to irrelevant demonstrations which don’t match the criteria of checking your speed in a car. I’m beginning to think of some appropriate words of abuse.
burtthebike wrote:
It seems many of you don’t like to acknowledge the truth.
I doubt that all of you are perfect human beings that can judge your speed so accurately that you never exceed the speed limits. The simple demonstration of how long it takes to glance down at the keyboard is dismissed when in fact it takes longer to check the speedo, yet because I demonstrate the facts I am a moron. Speed judgement is dependent on environment, more objects around easier to judge, flat environment devoid of reference points less easy to judge, just check the research or is it just easier to pontificate? My comments are based on research and human behaviour. If the majority of humans behave a certain way it’s no use just saying they shouldn’t you have to understand why but of course that doesn’t apply to all you perfect people out there.
“I’m beginning to think of some appropriate words of abuse.”
You don’t counter with facts or research just want to throw abuse, how clever of you.
burtthebike wrote:
3 Device Response Time
Mechanical devices take time to engage, even after the responder has acted. For example, a driver stepping on the brake pedal does not stop the car immediately. Instead, the stopping is a function of physical forces, gravity and friction.
Here’s a simple example. Suppose a person is driving a car at 55 mph (80.67 feet/sec) during the day on a dry, level road. He sees a pedestrian and applies the brakes. What is the shortest stopping distance that can reasonably be expected? Total stopping distance consists of three components:
Reaction Distance. First. Suppose the reaction time is 1.5 seconds. This means that the car will travel 1.5 x80.67 or 120.9 feet before the brakes are even applied.
Brake Engagement Distance. Most reaction time studies consider the response completed at the moment the foot touches the brake pedal. However, brakes do not engage instantaneously. There is an additional time required for the pedal to depress and for the brakes to engage. This is variable and difficult to summarize in a single number because it depends on urgency and braking style. In an emergency, a reasonable estimate is .3 second, adding another 24.2 feet.
Physical Force Distance. Once the brakes engage, the stopping distance is determined by physical forces (D=S²/(30*f) where S is mph) as 134.4 feet.
Total Stopping Distance = 120.9 ft + 24.2 ft + 134.4 ft = 279.5 ft
Almost half the distance is created by driver reaction time. This is one reason that it is vital to have a good estimate of speed of human response. Below, I give some values which I have derived from my own experience and from an extensive review of research results.
Response speed depends on several factors so there can be no single, universal reaction time value. Here is a list of factors which affect reaction time. In all cases, the times assume daylight and good visibility conditions.
As to judging speed, my bog
As to judging speed, my bog standard family car will do 17 mph on the flat in 3rd without my foot on the throttle. The slightest pressure will take it over 20 mph
I don’t know about you but my car has other, lower, gears that can also be used in such circumstances.
poppa wrote:
But if I change into 2nd then the car emits more emissions and causes climate change.
If Bristol had just introduced the 20mph where it mattered instead of everywhere it would probably be better respected but I do think it’s a bit much when even the police don’t respect it and like one of the other respondents, other drivers don’t like it when I stick to the speed limits and try some crazy overtaking procedures.
OldMixte wrote:
oh Lordy Lordy, not another my car has got 130bhp,6 gears and a 0-60 time of 8secs. I use all of five of the gears to do 20 mile an hour and takes for ever to pull away in 6th until I’m doing a ton on motorway. Therefore I need a bigger engine.
When did people stop being taught how to use gears and engine in conjunction to ensure the engine is in its power range.
Oh I remember, when them silly your too stoopid to know when to change gear indicators turned up on cars.
OldMixte wrote:
So the problem is the other drivers which, judging by the story of this moron, will soon be off the roads.
If you really really struggle to stick to 20mph, try sticking to 10 or 15. That limit is a maximum, not your target.
I wish you luck brave warrior!
@OldMixte – I tried your
@OldMixte – I tried your screen/keyboard challenge and consistently get less than a second. Do I win a prize?
I drove around 6000 miles
I drove around 6000 miles last year and rode in excess of 10,000. As a motorist I did my best to be courteous and mindful of cyclists. As a cyclist I did my best to be courteous and mindful of motorists.
During my 16,000 miles I saw plenty of cases where people were dangerous and inconsiderate towards eachother, sometimes I was the agrieved party and occasionally I was exasperated by incompetence. It didn’t matter what mode of transport I was using, or the other people, there are good and bad on two aned four wheels, in lorries and buses, the latter have frequently seen driving through red lights and one bus driver took it upon himself to tell me to get on the cycle path, a so called professional driver that believes that use of cycle paths is compulsory.
I believe that education is the only way to co exist, drawing battle lines only facilitates battles, but how you educate people that won’t listen is a difficult one to work out.
@OldMixte – you’re quoting
@OldMixte – you’re quoting reaction times, but surely checking your speed in a car is a planned action rather than a reaction?
Planned actions, especially when practised/trained, can be performed at a much greater speed than reactions. Having to suddenly apply the brakes is a much different task than choosing when to cast your eyes down to the speedo. As other people have said, there’s plenty of visual cues about your speed all around you so using your speedo can be safely performed when you have clear visibility and can afford to divert your gaze.
Wow. This story merited three
Wow. This story merited three pages of comments.
Well done, Si. You’ve earned your February ad bonus.