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Paris Mayor trains sights on

Paris Mayor trains sights on SUVs: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67424678

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On the whole you’re right –

On the whole you’re right – though the Ride Across Britain (supported LEJOG) dips into Wales on Day 3 and wends up the Wye valley – and a lovely route it is too. 

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WANTED: Tern Madpad. Don’t

WANTED: Tern Madpad. Don’t suppose anyone has an unwanted Tern Clubhouse Madpad do they (i.e. the combined seatpad and backrest which can be used in conjunction with the Clubhouse Mini enclosure to seat what Tern call a “big kid”)? Seems to be on back order everywhere without an estimated availability date.   

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Yeah, that’s why I’m confused

Yeah, that’s why I’m confused. The 20mph section of Western Ave is very short (circled below) and, because of the river, public parks etc in the area (and therefore lack of surrounding roads), it seems to me you’d have to take quite a long detour to avoid it. But I’m sure I’m guilty of just thinking of routes I take. Just because I don’t have the imagination to do it, doesn’t mean others aren’t!    

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Rich_cb wrote:

Rich_cb wrote:

The problem is that 20mph limits on that particular road lead to more traffic on nearby residential roads including mine.

If the dual carriageway is busy and you can only travel at 20mph on it why not switch to the residential roads which have the same limit.

In general I’m a supporter of the 20mph limits and my road has had one for quite a while.

The default limit switch appears to have had quite a few unintended consequences though.

I’m not denying your experience, but I’m a bit surprised to hear that. Can’t think of obvious sensible alternatives to Western Ave. But maybe satnavs do. Did you not get displaced traffic before when the limit was 30, but congestion meant nobody was even doing 20?

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Rich is talking about the

Rich is talking about the same road I posted above. There is a University on that stretch, and it’s congested, but it isn’t an obvious candidate for 20mph IMO. 

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Absolutely – I suspect the 20

Absolutely – I suspect the 20 limit may be partly to improve flow.   

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There are definitely some

There are definitely some questionable examples. E.g. in my neck of the woods, this stretch of road recently dropped to 20mph. I don’t particularly mind, but it’s not residential, and until a couple of years ago the speed limit was 40 (then dropped to 30 when surrounding roads became subject to one of the pilot 20 zones), so I can see why some might think it’s unnecessarily low.    

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I think bikeman’s point is

I think bikeman’s point is that the excepted roads shown in the Swansea area are a very small proportion of the roads – so many others are 20mph. Unfortunately (but perhaps unsurprisingly) it seems the map is not complete – only some highways authorities have marked various categories of road. 

However, I still don’t get the speedo obsession. Ok, there might be a small adjustment period as you acclimatise to what the reduced speed looks/feels/sounds like. But if you weren’t previously glued to your speedo to ensure you were doing 30, you won’t need to be glued to it now to do 20.  

 

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mctrials23 wrote:

If I was an advertiser I wouldn’t be paying them a penny at the moment because the site is so unusable.

Judging by the ads I get served, I don’t know how many advertisers are making deliberate, human, decisions to advertise here, as opposed to just winning indiscriminate eyeball space. 

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I’m sure that’s true, but how

I’m sure that’s true, but how are you supposed to engage with them? To be honest, I probably found out through this site rather than any other outlet – but I think I responded to the consultation. I certainly didn’t get a leaflet through the door.

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The argument is that the £33m

The argument is that the £33m cost is nothing compared to the projected savings from reducing accidents and encouraging active travel. Time will tell. 

EDIT: sorry, late the party. Others got there first.

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hawkinspeter wrote:

2.9mph drop seems quite effective to me.

Interesting though that the quoted drop is from 22mph to 19mph. Presumably the routes tested include a variety of different speed limits, (not just roads that were 30 and are now 20), but it highlights the difference between the old speed limit and the average speed people were actually achieving in the real world.    

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Unfortunately it is the

Unfortunately it is the biggest grossing petition ever in Wales. I really hope the Senedd stick to their (speed) guns. 

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Interesting. She may be

Interesting. She may be railing against seatbelts, but at least acknowledges they’re only necessary because of “speed maniacs and sheer bad drivers”.

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