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The Shimano CM-2000 was on
The Shimano CM-2000 was on sale recently. Battery life is quite frankly bobbins but if you have ANT+ sensors you can trigger it based on cadence or speed (or location from your phone) so if you just want to film certain sections then it might be up to the job.
Hmm, all the Planet X Ti
Hmm, all the Planet X Ti frames are on sale, revised versions on the way?
BikeJon wrote:
Planet X do a nice range of titanium frames for different purposes. I’m sure they do disc and rim brake options and look a good option for your frame-only budget.Annoyingly their rim-braked option only has clearance for 25mm tyres, and that’s before fitting ‘guards.
I am looking at the s/h titanium market – Sabbath September definitely takes 28s, as does Spa Cycles’ Elan Ti. Airborne and Lynskey have so many versions and iterations but will probably have something. The other option is an Enigma Etape s/h.
Vehlin wrote:
Without wanting to kindle a disc brake holy war are you using cable or hydros on your tourer? I’ve got hydros on my CAADX and never have to adjust them.They all have their place. Personally I love the short travel and instant response I get from my 5800 calipers. Run them very close and I can haul my 18st up from the hoods no problem, enough power to lock the rear. On a purely superficial level I also just like how they look. Full length housings are plain ugly, particularly on a light coloured frame. Having said all that I wouldn’t ride without discs on the tourer because I need to stop me, the bike, the tagalong, and an 8yo child. Just wish I could get them as quiet and responsive as the rims. Too much travel for my liking.Hybrids – cable operated hydro calipers from Juin Tech (same as the Yokozuna ones Mike Stead reviewed on this site last year)
They’re good but they squeal in the wet and lever travel is too long compared to well set up rim brake. Sintered pads have helped and at least the front is reasonably good but the rear lacks response.
bob_c wrote:
I’m trying – with so far no success apart from scammers – to sell my condor fratello frameset. Could be of interest if you’re over 6ft and would be way under budget.Sadly 5-11 so probably too big. What size/colour?
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:
You might be able to get a mint/NOS Specialized Sirrus Pro Carbon. They come in two different flavours, the drop brake caliper version and the canti/v-brake type. I’ve just accquired a NOS of the latter which comes with eyelets for guards and a pannier rack (the drop variant has mudguard eyes only) and the forks are pretty much the same as those on the globe pro which have low rider mounts, so if you can retro fit using a clamp on the fork legs I’d be fairly confident you could carry a decent weight as the spesh Zertz forks are absolutely bombproof IME.
Frame, forks and headset come in at 2000g(58cm), it’s the FACT 9M carbon layup which is the heavier duty version of the 9R and as used on top end downhill bikes from a couple of years back. Sure it’s not lightweight by modern carbon road racing standards but for a rugged frame with hefty bombproof forks I don’t reckon that’s too bad.
Clearance is about 40mm.
I’ve also got a Globe Pro and Elite, the latter is 135mm OLN, the former 130, they both have all the mounts and low rider fixings on the CF forks and the carbon seatstays lighten things up but give a great comfortable ride. The Globe versions rarely come up for sale in mint cond but a few of the earlier (to the full carbon variant) Sirrus models with the carbon seatstays come up on ebay fairly regularly. The Globe versions deffo take 42mm with guards and 50+mm without.
Interesting, thanks. Carbon wasn’t on the list, but only because I assumed such a thing didn’t exist.
Boatsie wrote:
I’m converting an Avanti Blade comp. Set up with spray flaps between the brake arms. Rides 28c. Not sure if such qualifies as performance side.. Is my fastest bike. Was 3*9. Replacing with new parts 2*9 inclusive of dropbar shifters.. Should be faster than was… No where near some modern machines. Hope that helps ya. Wondering if reason similar… Wanting low windage on rain bike due to probability of higher winds. Flatbars are great running with the wind.My original thinking was having a wet bike (tourer with discs) and a dry bike (rim brakes, race geo, as minimal as possible) but the reality is that the roads I ride on require mudguards, even in the dry. So much run off from fields even if it hasn’t rained for a couple of days.
So we’re back at the classic winter trainer but with the additional requirement of being able to run 28s plus guards. For me (big lad) 28s are the sweet spot given the rural roads I ride on.
For those who may be interested in the Tempest as a gravel frame but were put off by relatively small tyre clearances – had a mail from PX this morning saying the v2 frames (due in shortly) have clearance for up to 50mm tyres. Had been looking at a Reilly Gradient, think I’ll wait and see what the new Tempest is priced at first (given it’s ‘Reilly designed’) – current build and frame set prices on the PX site are all over the pop.Ooh, interesting. Do they mention anything about the Spitfire? It was perfect for me except the 25mm tyre restriction.
srchar wrote:
I commute on a Kinesis T3 with 28mm tyres and full SKS ‘guards. I run long drop brakes with Campagnolo pads and the braking is fine, even with Aican offset pad holders on the rear to clear the tyre.
It’s nicer to ride than the titanium Van Nic it replaced, but not as nice as my best bike. I’d recommend it, or pay a bit more for a 4S if you think you might want to run discs at some point in the future.
Thanks, not heard about offset pad holders before, what do they do?
They all have their place.
They all have their place. Personally I love the short travel and instant response I get from my 5800 calipers. Run them very close and I can haul my 18st up from the hoods no problem, enough power to lock the rear. On a purely superficial level I also just like how they look. Full length housings are plain ugly, particularly on a light coloured frame. Having said all that I wouldn’t ride without discs on the tourer because I need to stop me, the bike, the tagalong, and an 8yo child. Just wish I could get them as quiet and responsive as the rims. Too much travel for my liking.Hmm plenty of options there, thanks.Looks like the Kinesis 3T also fits the bill.
Tempted by the Condors, neighbour has a Fratello that I covet.
You’ve got plenty to play with on your budget, but just be aware that the 4S/4S Disk is a frameset and the T3 comes with no fork or headset gubbins.
If you don’t go with the Triban bike – and you’re certain you won’t eventually go with the disc option of the 4S – then the 4S frameset is the one I’d go for if I could.
I’m torn – long-term admirer of Kinesis bikes (I’d love to be able to stretch to a GF-Ti) and they always look spot on in terms of fit and finish.
The flexibility of the 4S makes a lot of sense because longer-term I won’t need the tourer as its primarily in the shed as a tagalong mule and for summer gravel commutes. Could easily end up being stripped and the wheels/calipers transferred to the 4S as an N=1 option.
4S is three times the price of the Triban though…
Hmm, time to look for a s/h one perhaps.
Can you get the decathlon triban 500 frame-only? One of them has long drop brakes and would most likely take 28s +guards but I can’t remember the exact model.I also managed to get 28s and guards to work on my CAAD8 with some coaxing and modding but it was a bit of a labour of love to keep it working well like that. Its for sale if anybody wants a caad8 with 105.
Good point – pretty sure the new 500 has the clearance, same frame as the 100 and that has 32mm knobblies fitted as standard with a ton of clearance. Certainly an option – it has mudguard mounts and a carbon fork. I reckon I could get ~£150 back by selling the group, tyres, wheels, and bars from it so net cost would be around £200. Bit of a bargain really – the matt red finish looks excellent, it’s mercifully short of the usual B’Twin graphics screaming “6061 Aluminium is soooo coool kids”, and it even has pannier mounts front and rear. Not many carbon forks out there rated to carry 6kgs per side on low-rider mounts – you could probably ride round the world on it! Its not particularly light at 10.3kg but its sporting a square-taper triple with heavy wheels so it should be easy to get it way below 9kgs.
Whilst I’ve squeezed 28s into my Triban 3 clearances are super-tight, no way to fit mudguards unless you’re running 23s.
Hmm plenty of options there,
Hmm plenty of options there, thanks.
Looks like the Kinesis 3T also fits the bill.
Tempted by the Condors, neighbour has a Fratello that I covet.
Joe Totale wrote:
I’m currently in a fairly similar situation to you as I want a new rim brake commuter/winter bike come Spring time. I’ll let my current hack put up with this winter!
I think this time I’m going to buy a complete bike, not a frameset. In your situation a Bowman Layhams sounds ideal although maybe a bit too pricey?
https://bowman-cycles.com/product/layhams-copy/
A cheaper option could be a Genesis Equalibrium frameset, not sure if it can fit 28s with guards mind.
I think I’m going to grab a Specialized Allez when they’re back on the market as they can have mudguards with 25″ tyres, I’ll grab the Sora one as I’ll have some spare 105 parts to upgrade it myself and also some better wheels to fit on it.
If I had the budget that Layham’s would be mine. Gorgeous thing….
cyclisto wrote:
Cantis have reasons to be forgotten and calipers with such clearance will flex like spaghetti. The sensible option is disks, but if you are a vintage guy buy an outdated (and probably at a bargain price) cx frame with mini-brakes. But if you want to avoid disks, are you ready to build a bike that will be obsolete at its first ride?My tourer is disk braked, they’re a faff to set up and and I’ve got a perfectly good rim brake setup waiting for a frame with bigger clearance. It’s going to be used for long country rides, I don’t need to be able to stop on a sixpence, although I have no issues with the stopping power of rim brakes (5800s with stock Shimano pads).
To my eyes they’re also bloody ugly and carry a weight penalty, and I want to make this build practical and lightweight, to different sufficiently from my heavy tourer
