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January 15, 2018 at 8:56 pm #28027
As the title – I’m looking for a road frame on the race-side of the performance/comfort envelope that will run rim brakes (caliper or canti is fine) but will take a 28mm tyre with guards. Not too bothered as to frame material but I’d like it to be a lightweight build. Current rim-braked bike is a shade over 10kgs and only takes 23s with guards and my tourer is probably north of 15. Looking for something that will do for fast 20-milers on New Forest “roads” but mudguards are pretty essential. Ideally frameset rather than full bike. £1k for the frameset, doesn’t need to be new.
Any options come to mind?
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BehindTheBikesheds wrote:
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:You might be able to get a mint/NOS Specialized Sirrus Pro Carbon. They come in two different flavours, the drop brake caliper version and the canti/v-brake type. I’ve just accquired a NOS of the latter which comes with eyelets for guards and a pannier rack (the drop variant has mudguard eyes only) and the forks are pretty much the same as those on the globe pro which have low rider mounts, so if you can retro fit using a clamp on the fork legs I’d be fairly confident you could carry a decent weight as the spesh Zertz forks are absolutely bombproof IME.
Frame, forks and headset come in at 2000g(58cm), it’s the FACT 9M carbon layup which is the heavier duty version of the 9R and as used on top end downhill bikes from a couple of years back. Sure it’s not lightweight by modern carbon road racing standards but for a rugged frame with hefty bombproof forks I don’t reckon that’s too bad.
Clearance is about 40mm.
I’ve also got a Globe Pro and Elite, the latter is 135mm OLN, the former 130, they both have all the mounts and low rider fixings on the CF forks and the carbon seatstays lighten things up but give a great comfortable ride. The Globe versions rarely come up for sale in mint cond but a few of the earlier (to the full carbon variant) Sirrus models with the carbon seatstays come up on ebay fairly regularly. The Globe versions deffo take 42mm with guards and 50+mm without.
Interesting, thanks. Carbon wasn’t on the list, but only because I assumed such a thing didn’t exist.
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You might be able to get a
You might be able to get a mint/NOS Specialized Sirrus Pro Carbon. They come in two different flavours, the drop brake caliper version and the canti/v-brake type. I’ve just accquired a NOS of the latter which comes with eyelets for guards and a pannier rack (the drop variant has mudguard eyes only) and the forks are pretty much the same as those on the globe pro which have low rider mounts, so if you can retro fit using a clamp on the fork legs I’d be fairly confident you could carry a decent weight as the spesh Zertz forks are absolutely bombproof IME.
Frame, forks and headset come in at 2000g(58cm), it’s the FACT 9M carbon layup which is the heavier duty version of the 9R and as used on top end downhill bikes from a couple of years back. Sure it’s not lightweight by modern carbon road racing standards but for a rugged frame with hefty bombproof forks I don’t reckon that’s too bad.
Clearance is about 40mm.
I’ve also got a Globe Pro and Expert, the latter is 135mm OLN, the former 130, they both have all the mounts and low rider fixings on the CF forks and the carbon seatstays lighten things up but give a great comfortable ride. The Globe versions rarely come up for sale in mint cond but a few of the earlier (to the full carbon variant) Sirrus models with the carbon seatstays come up on ebay fairly regularly. The Globe versions deffo take 42mm with guards and 50+mm without.
Crampy
bob_c wrote:
bob_c wrote:I’m trying – with so far no success apart from scammers – to sell my condor fratello frameset. Could be of interest if you’re over 6ft and would be way under budget.Hi [insert na bob_c,
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bob_c
I’m trying – with so far no
I’m trying – with so far no success apart from scammers – to sell my condor fratello frameset. Could be of interest if you’re over 6ft and would be way under budget.
srchar
kil0ran wrote:
kil0ran wrote:Thanks, not heard about offset pad holders before, what do they do?They extend the drop of your brakes. They are normally used with standard-drop calipers on bikes like the T3, however I found I needed them on the rear even with long-drop calipers. Not sure whether I have a “faulty” frame with too high a rear brake bridge, or perhaps maybe a T3 doesn’t like Zondas.
See pics here: https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/287426/
me
De Rosa Milanino Training
De Rosa Milanino Training
I think they’ve stopped making them now but there may be stock somewhere. I like mine. Looks good with PDW full metal fenders though I don’t use 28mm.
https://roadcyclinguk.com/gear/de-rosa-milanino-training-road-bike-review.html
The ‘training’ bit is important as they also made a Milanino without the clearances the ‘training’ has.
Boatsie wrote:
Boatsie wrote:I’m converting an Avanti Blade comp. Set up with spray flaps between the brake arms. Rides 28c. Not sure if such qualifies as performance side.. Is my fastest bike. Was 3*9. Replacing with new parts 2*9 inclusive of dropbar shifters.. Should be faster than was… No where near some modern machines. Hope that helps ya. Wondering if reason similar… Wanting low windage on rain bike due to probability of higher winds. Flatbars are great running with the wind.My original thinking was having a wet bike (tourer with discs) and a dry bike (rim brakes, race geo, as minimal as possible) but the reality is that the roads I ride on require mudguards, even in the dry. So much run off from fields even if it hasn’t rained for a couple of days.
So we’re back at the classic winter trainer but with the additional requirement of being able to run 28s plus guards. For me (big lad) 28s are the sweet spot given the rural roads I ride on.
Boatsie
I’m converting an Avanti
I’m converting an Avanti Blade comp.
Set up with spray flaps between the brake arms. Rides 28c.
Not sure if such qualifies as performance side.. Is my fastest bike. Was 3*9. Replacing with new parts 2*9 inclusive of dropbar shifters.. Should be faster than was… No where near some modern machines.
Hope that helps ya.
Wondering if reason similar… Wanting low windage on rain bike due to probability of higher winds. Flatbars are great running with the wind.srchar wrote:
srchar wrote:I commute on a Kinesis T3 with 28mm tyres and full SKS ‘guards. I run long drop brakes with Campagnolo pads and the braking is fine, even with Aican offset pad holders on the rear to clear the tyre.
It’s nicer to ride than the titanium Van Nic it replaced, but not as nice as my best bike. I’d recommend it, or pay a bit more for a 4S if you think you might want to run discs at some point in the future.
Thanks, not heard about offset pad holders before, what do they do?
Bikeylikey
I have a Burls titanium frame
I have a Burls titanium frame which fits your spec exactly, 28mm tyres ( it will take these on 22mm internal width rims, so plenty of room) and mudguards. The brakes are Ambrosio slightly longer reach than standard. It’s absolutely not true that you get juddering or poor braking or other problems with longer reach brakes, at least not these ones, the braking is superb. I’ve also got some TRP longer reach brakes on another bike, same there, no problems at all, just as good as standard reach brakes. It depends on the design of the brake, obviously. Some of the old Weinmann pattern very long reach calipers were bendy, but I don’t think anyone makes this kind of thing any longer since cantilevers and their successors became common.
As far as I remember the frameset with a Kinesis carbon fork cost about £1200 -1300. I might be persuaded to sell it, as a complete bike. 565mm virtual top tube, 55mm seat tube, 170mm head tube. Campag Record 10 speed triple group, Fulcrum R5 wheels, Canyon VCLS seatpost, 3t carbon bars, £1500. Sorry if that’s a shameless bit of advertising! Message me if you’re interested email tyke51@yahoo.com.
srchar
I commute on a Kinesis T3
I commute on a Kinesis T3 with 28mm tyres and full SKS ‘guards. I run long drop brakes with Campagnolo pads and the braking is fine, even with Aican offset pad holders on the rear to clear the tyre.
It’s nicer to ride than the titanium Van Nic it replaced, but not as nice as my best bike. I’d recommend it, or pay a bit more for a 4S if you think you might want to run discs at some point in the future.
They all have their place.
They all have their place. Personally I love the short travel and instant response I get from my 5800 calipers. Run them very close and I can haul my 18st up from the hoods no problem, enough power to lock the rear. On a purely superficial level I also just like how they look. Full length housings are plain ugly, particularly on a light coloured frame. Having said all that I wouldn’t ride without discs on the tourer because I need to stop me, the bike, the tagalong, and an 8yo child. Just wish I could get them as quiet and responsive as the rims. Too much travel for my liking.IanEdward
Haha, sorry Cyclisto, I’m
Haha, sorry Cyclisto, I’m just grumpy because all the bikes I like are disc only now and I’m anti-disc.I do forget the issue with mini-vs and pad clearance, I have the little Campag style quick release buttons on my levers so I can run the levers further from the bars. Means I need big hands to reach the levers, but also means lots of pad clearance
Simon E
cyclisto wrote:
I suspect they didn’t appreciate what looked like blatant trolling.cyclisto wrote:Wow a lot of opposition against my disk friendliness!I’m sure that a large proportion of road.cc readers use discs, whether it’s road, ‘cross, gravel or MTB.
cyclisto
Wow a lot of opposition
Wow a lot of opposition against my disk friendliness!First I have to clarify that I ride 32c with mudguards and mini-Vs. They are quite powerfull in the dry but not that much on wet and also pad consumption increases. My biggest though problem is that due to the not that suitable pull ratio (sora shifters with 90mm V-brake arms) there is a lot of effortless braking power but pads have to sit really close the rims making it impossible to remove the wheels without releasing air, hard to setup and the wheels have to be 100% true. But once you ride with disks, you really like the stopping power so the are winners for me.
About caliper brakes I had them on a bike with 23c tires and you had to pray to make a safe stop. Sure the narrow tires were crap but the caliper brakes were crap too.
I am not thinking of converting mine to disks (there are mounts) but if a bought a new bike I would definitely go on disks.
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