[hawkinspeter]

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/through-traffic-banned-parts-bristol-8295492

This should be introduced towards the end of this year as an experimental trial – I wish it could happen sooner as it covers where I live. We had questionnaires about it during lockdown, though I think that was just about making Beaufort Rd (by the cemetery) one way to motorised traffic.

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[hawkinspeter]

Campaigners condemn Liveable

Campaigners condemn Liveable Neighbourhood vandalism:

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/campaigners-condemn-liveable-neighbourhood-vandalism-10033178

After being one of a handful of women who came out at around 4.30am to protest against the installation, Fadumo Farah said she opposed anyone who damaged the planters now.

Fadumo, who is the tenants rep at Barton House for community union Acorn, said: “This is not the right way. We must stand together and take legal, peaceful action. Those responsible don’t represent Barton Hill – we respect the law and will fight the right way.”

 

[hawkinspeter]

slc wrote:

slc wrote:

Haven’t you heard of the war on motorists? We are to be grateful they don’t righteously drive through our living rooms.

I think you need the “cars in buildings” thread for that

[slc]

Haven’t you heard of the war
Haven’t you heard of the war on motorists? We are to be grateful they don’t righteously drive through our living rooms.

[brooksby]

chrisonabike wrote:

chrisonabike wrote:

*Father Jack voice * Parking? Feck! Er… that would be an administrative matter!

Are those paramilitary types who go around fining tourists for littering also responsible for other civil matters?  Like, say, pavement parking and parking across cycle lanes?

[Bungle_52]

slc wrote:

Ceratinly all of the negative outcomes so far noted can be categorized as driver behaviour. Nothing that can’t be solved by rigourous application of the law.

Bob on. Who was it said that morals nowadays are what you can get away with? Unfortunately the police and local councils appear to let drivers get away with everything.

[chrisonabike]

*Father Jack voice * Parking?
*Father Jack voice * Parking? Feck! Er… that would be an administrative matter!

[slc]

hawkinspeter wrote:

slc wrote:

The most visible outcome of modal filters in the road near hp and me is (drumroll) more antisocial parking.

I haven’t noticed much difference there to be honest. The most notable change has been how much quieter our road and Beaufort Rd are.

Are you a bit further down? The difference is very noticeable from roughly beaconsfield rd to salisbury street, where there were three stages:

1. Until about 2 years ago, no pavement parking.

2. Then some pioneers decided to try it out and there would be a few cars each day (excacerbating the rat-run quarrels).  Check it out on Streetview https://maps.app.goo.gl/sNpRmGHerjxnGLnp8

3. The day after the bollards went in there was apparently an agreement that pavement parking was now OK and the whole pavement in that section is now blocked. In my opinion this was a major factor in last week’s collision (I witnessed and stopped to assist) – the photo in the article you linked shows not congestion but pavement parking (and the ambulance could not make the tunr because of a pavement parked van, right opposite the junction).

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/council-showing-utter-disregard-people-10004484

[hawkinspeter]

slc wrote:

Are you a bit further down? The difference is very noticeable from roughly beaconsfield rd to salisbury street, where there were three stages:

1. Until about 2 years ago, no pavement parking.

2. Then some pioneers decided to try it out and there would be a few car each day (excacerbating the rat-run quarrels).  Check it out on Streetview 🙂 https://maps.app.goo.gl/sNpRmGHerjxnGLnp8

3. The day after the bollards went in there was apparently an agreement that pavement parking was now OK and the whole pavement in that section is now blocked. In my opinion this was a major factor in last week’s collision (I witnessed and stopped to assist) – the photo in the article you linked shows not congestion but pavement parking (and the ambulance could not make the tunr because of a pavement parked van, right opposite the junction).

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/council-showing-utter-disregard-people-10004484

Yep, I’m further down and we’ve had pavement parking for years.

[slc]

chrisonabike wrote:

chrisonabike wrote:

So – if I’ve understood correctly – we can’t have measures to fix inconsiderate driving / discourage less-vital journeys because … drivers behave inconsiderately? )

Ceratinly all of the negative outcomes so far noted can be categorized as driver behaviour. Nothing that can’t be solved by rigourous application of the law.

[hawkinspeter]

I haven’t noticed much

slc wrote:

The most visible outcome of modal filters in the road near hp and me is (drumroll) more antisocial parking.

I haven’t noticed much difference there to be honest. The most notable change has been how much quieter our road and Beaufort Rd are.

[mdavidford]

chrisonabike]

slc wrote</strong></p> <p>[quote=chrisonabike wrote:

[quote=slc]alas in the UK in many places they would be too expensive even if frequently used, because someone always crashes into them/ parks their vehicle on top…

I think your cost-benefit analysis is off there – you’ve failed to account for the amusement value of the ensuing social media posts.

[chrisonabike]

slc wrote:

slc wrote:

There are indeed bus gate exemptions for vehicles needed for mobility, as well as carers. The disabled woman that has appeared frequently in the press cannot take advantage of these exemptions because bollard modal filters prevent her from driving to the gates in the first place. She does have a fairly direct route available but (and this I think says it all) it is sometimes inaccessible due to inconsiderately parked vehicles.

Obviously “but we can’t afford it for one or two” but in general automated bollards exist. Though alas in the UK in many places they would be too expensive even if frequently used, because someone always crashes into them/ parks their vehicle on top…

slc wrote:

The most visible outcome of modal filters in the road near hp and me is (drumroll) more antisocial parking.

The East Bristol Liverpool Neighbourhood… it would be great if the drivers would just behave like responsible citizens.

So – if I’ve understood correctly – we can’t have measures to fix inconsiderate driving / discourage less-vital journeys because … drivers behave inconsiderately?

TBF it seems more “tragedy of the commons” and “fairness” – eg. “I’d cooperate with others to moderate our behaviour, but there are people without a feeling of shared ownership who will just keep grabbing what they can. Which makes me think ‘ might as well be me then’ …”)

[hawkinspeter]

brooksby wrote:

What I’ve found so funny (funny ha-ha, not funny peculiar) about the Bristol Post coverage is how many of their BTL commenters think that Labour still runs the council…

And how many of the rest seem to be surprised that a Green Party leadership who won by a landslide took that as a mandate to push ahead with ostensibly Green policies.

Yeah, but the EBLN was conceived during Labour’s watch

[brooksby]

What I’ve found so funny

What I’ve found so funny (funny ha-ha, not funny peculiar) about the Bristol Post coverage is how many of their BTL commenters think that Labour still runs the council…

And how many of the rest seem to be surprised that a Green Party leadership who won by a landslide took that as a mandate to push ahead with ostensibly Green policies.

[slc]

A couple of weeks before the
A couple of weeks before the overnight installation, I was suggesting to a friend that the council would have to give up or at least change plans in the face of the protests. I thought they would need a major operation with police protection to install, and that is something that a Green council would avoid like the plague. So I was wrong about that, just like social media being a fad

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