[hawkinspeter]

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/through-traffic-banned-parts-bristol-8295492

This should be introduced towards the end of this year as an experimental trial – I wish it could happen sooner as it covers where I live. We had questionnaires about it during lockdown, though I think that was just about making Beaufort Rd (by the cemetery) one way to motorised traffic.

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[chrisonabike]

slc wrote:

slc wrote:

chrisonabike wrote:

BUT … the “bumps” in Bristol are just bigger (see tons of places ending in “hill” there).  Again I lacked local knowledge but it seemed almost any “A to B” meant lots of repeated ascent and descent!  (And I really didn’t enjoy the motor traffic there…)

Bristol often seems like a sort of inverse Rome, a city built in seven holes.

If I was living there and regularly needed to travel similar distances to those I do in Edinburgh (not particularly long) I’d seriously consider getting an EAPC.  Certainly in weather like last week…

OTOH perhaps locals can work out routes with more forgiving gradients?  Plus I didn’t try the bike share bikes or scooters there.  Maybe they make things more relaxed (being powered / power assisted)?

[slc]

chrisonabike wrote:

chrisonabike wrote:

slc wrote:

chrisonabike wrote:

the road surfaces were in a lot better condition, despite all the motor traffic!

My sympathies :)

BUT … the “bumps” in Bristol are just bigger (see tons of places ending in “hill” there).  Again I lacked local knowledge but it seemed almost any “A to B” meant lots of repeated ascent and descent!  (And I really didn’t enjoy the motor traffic there…)

Bristol often seems like a sort of inverse Rome, a city built in seven holes.

[chrisonabike]

slc wrote:

slc wrote:

chrisonabike wrote:

the road surfaces were in a lot better condition, despite all the motor traffic!

My sympathies :)

BUT … the “bumps” in Bristol are just bigger (see tons of places ending in “hill” there).  Again I lacked local knowledge but it seemed almost any “A to B” meant lots of repeated ascent and descent!  (And I really didn’t enjoy the motor traffic there…)

[slc]

chrisonabike wrote:

chrisonabike wrote:

the road surfaces were in a lot better condition, despite all the motor traffic!

My sympathies 🙂

[chrisonabike]

hawkinspeter wrote:

hawkinspeter wrote:

Oops – police went the wrong way:

Exactly – a real non-story. And in fact in some places the emergency services can have it both ways by ignoring “one way” and or unlocking bollards.

I visited this LTN twice last week (first unknowingly, in passing) and a) it was one of the most pleasant environments to cycle in I encountered and b) the only sense in which this was “an open prison” per the commentor was the fact that both sides of most streets were entirely walled with motor vehicles. Some remarkably large (I think I found the bus owned by the disabled woman who was an objector- in- chief! )

In general it does look like Bristol is *trying* to manage how cars are used – example i saw lots of street narrowing treatments about. But ( compared to Edinburgh) it seems a greater proportion of people own cars and the roads are substantially busier. So it looks like a harder issue to address. Plus the cycle routes seem much more like the NCN generally (a sign network, incorporating mostly “walking infra” with some “motor infra” eg. streets) than here. (Albeit i only rode 3 “cycle routes” there, one being the Bristol-Bath railway path – and I stay adjacent to the one section of genuine off- road *network* in Edinburgh’s north-west.)

On the plus side i saw people cycling, everywhere. And the road surfaces were in a lot better condition, despite all the motor traffic!

[hawkinspeter]

Oops – police went the wrong

Oops – police went the wrong way: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/police-car-emergency-call-blocked-10336623

[hawkinspeter]

Winners and losers: https:/

Winners and losers: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/residential-road-used-rat-run-10325834

A road on the boundary of the controversial East Bristol Liveable Neighbourhood (EBLN) has become dangerously busy as a result of the scheme, a resident says.

Trooper’s Hill Road, on the eastern edge of the EBLN, has long been used as a cut through for drivers getting between the A431 where Nags Head Hill meets Air Balloon Road in the north and Crews Hole Road in the south.

Sorry Brooksby, I didn’t see that you’d already posted this. I think my browser got confused as my IP address was changing between Albania and the UK (YouTube doesn’t show ads in Albania)

[brooksby]

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/residential-road-used-rat-run-10325834

A road on the boundary of the controversial East Bristol Liveable Neighbourhood (EBLN) has become dangerously busy as a result of the scheme, a resident says.

Trooper’s Hill Road, on the eastern edge of the EBLN, has long been used as a cut through for drivers getting between the A431 where Nags Head Hill meets Air Balloon Road in the north and Crews Hole Road in the south.

Anti-LTN article based on anecdotal opinion from a single resident.  Yaay for proper local journalism… 

[slc]

slc wrote:

[quote=slc]BCC EBLN newsletter talking about Crews Hole Road modifications https://campaign.emailblaster.cloud/MjAxMDY/17.html%5B/quote%5D

The modiications are now done, and are an ‘interesting’ pair.

One looks ok-ish – large pavement buildouts with tactile dropped kerbs and very robust (double girth?) bollards protecting waiting peds. Should have been a zebra. Located between riverside chapel and the troopers hill woods, where the car parking visible on streetview was formalized and three sheffield stands added (not sure why anoyne would need to leave their bike there in particular, but never mind)

https://maps.app.goo.gl/21epsf5Qh6yZV8sQ8

The other is the same approximate layout, but implementing using only paint. Located at the bottom of strawberry lane (which might make an excellent Bristol hill climbing championship spot)

https://maps.app.goo.gl/vCnXcSo72JaJ85HN6

And of course nothing at the point where pedestrians accessing the pre-school must cross (despite promises going back 15 years).

https://maps.app.goo.gl/2CdxDkY792SyWvnx9

[brooksby]

hawkinspeter wrote:

brooksby wrote:

hawkinspeter wrote:

This is bizarre: https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/disability-group-consulted-for-liveable-neighbourhood-allegedly-fabricated/

If the report is true, BCC made up the Barton Hill Disabilities Group that they allegedly consulted before the EBLN trial.

I can’t believe that they opened that up to comments BTL.  Why, it’s almost as if the Post wants to stir people up against the LTN…

That wasn’t the Post, but Bristol247. However, the Post has now picked up the story: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/council-accused-making-up-fictional-10294057

Sorry, yeah.  I saw it in the Post this morning, hence my comment.

[hawkinspeter]

brooksby wrote:

hawkinspeter wrote:

This is bizarre: https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/disability-group-consulted-for-liveable-neighbourhood-allegedly-fabricated/

If the report is true, BCC made up the Barton Hill Disabilities Group that they allegedly consulted before the EBLN trial.

I can’t believe that they opened that up to comments BTL.  Why, it’s almost as if the Post wants to stir people up against the LTN…

That wasn’t the Post, but Bristol247. However, the Post has now picked up the story: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/council-accused-making-up-fictional-10294057

[brooksby]

hawkinspeter wrote:

This is bizarre: https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/disability-group-consulted-for-liveable-neighbourhood-allegedly-fabricated/

If the report is true, BCC made up the Barton Hill Disabilities Group that they allegedly consulted before the EBLN trial.

I can’t believe that they opened that up to comments BTL.  Why, it’s almost as if the Post wants to stir people up against the LTN…

[hawkinspeter]

mdavidford wrote:

It doesn’t actually allege that BCC invented them – only that the group ‘may have been fabricated’ – by who is unspecified.

It’s not clear to me what the ‘claim to have consulted’ the group consisted of – that could just mean that they recieved a submission from someone claiming to be from the group and took it at face value. The report seems pretty slim and light on details about that, and what measures they took to try to track them down.

Also somewhat dubious about how independent the authors of this ‘independent report’ might be, given that they appear to be a community group working in the same neighbourhood as the commissioning group.

I’ve not had any contact with the report author, but they (https://baggator.org/) seem reputable and community focussed. It does concern me if BCC didn’t consult with disability groups as that just gives the anti-EBLN groups more ammo, and of course we would want people with disabilities to benefit from the reduction in car traffic.

Personally, I thought there was plenty of opportunities to engage with BCC about the scheme during the many years that it was delayed and nothing was done.

[mdavidford]

It doesn’t actually allege

It doesn’t actually allege that BCC invented them – only that the group ‘may have been fabricated’ – by who is unspecified.

It’s not clear to me what the ‘claim to have consulted’ the group consisted of – that could just mean that they recieved a submission from someone claiming to be from the group and took it at face value. The report seems pretty slim and light on details about that, and what measures they took to try to track them down.

Also somewhat dubious about how independent the authors of this ‘independent report’ might be, given that they appear to be a community group working in the same neighbourhood as the commissioning group.

[hawkinspeter]

This is bizarre: https://www

This is bizarre: https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/disability-group-consulted-for-liveable-neighbourhood-allegedly-fabricated/

If the report is true, BCC made up the Barton Hill Disabilities Group that they allegedly consulted before the EBLN trial.

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