The Reform Party and the UK’s lurch towards fascism

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    David9694

    I posted an earlier version of this a while back – inspired to do update following THAT discussion about all things ULEZ. 

    The “manifesto”, in terms of transport, only mentions stopping HS2, but there’s plenty on the usual right-wing obsessions: Brexit, immigration, veterans and climate change.  I had another look because I worry about the ongoing decline of the two main political parties. 

    If the Cons stay wedded to Brexit, then we will go into the next GE with all the widespread impoverishment Brexit has ushered in – not helped by Covid, Putin, etc. People generally vote according to their pockets.  I don’t get Labour’s current position on Europe either, but let’s see how that evolves, and even the Cons may also evolve, or even pivot, but time is already running out for them.

    Several roads now lead to the horrors of a further lurch to the right in this country.  Let’s hope Labour get the GE landslide the polls are predicting – but we’re still at least a year out from the real campaigning beginning. 

    A cycling angle? With the Reform Party and its ilk, Facebook Steve and Nextdoor Dave attain real political influence. It’s not spelt out in the manifesto, but you can see where this is probably heading and what it is likely to mean for cycling.  You can bet that this lot are very much “on the side of hard working drivers” etc. 

    As you all know, Dave’s going to “sort the traffic” and no doubt show them lazy planners how it’s done: Steve thinks the Council are corrupt, the police blinkered and is, if he can fit it in to his busy schedule he’s going to “teach them Lycra’s a thing or two.” It won’t concern him that his Mondeo is 3 months out of MoT or that Mrs Steve sometimes drives the kids in it uninsured. 

    As vulnerable road users, vulnerable people, we rely a great deal on the rule of law for protection. The rule of law means that we understand what the laws are, they are in general fair, and how they are applied and to whom is even-handed and consistent. 

    The fascist position is broadly the opposite – it’s all off-the-cuff to support today’s particular agenda – that’s why the Iain Duncan-Smith “happy to see ULEZ infra vandalised” comment is, as an example, so very worrying.  In the Conservatives, here is a party happy to send signals to enable the mob to attack RNLI stations, beat up immigrants, shout at teachers, doctors etc. 

    This right-wing stuff works by allowing/enabling significant privileged groups to to think of themselves as the downtrodden underdog and here is a way to fight back.  The pro Brexit campaign played on people’s ignorance, fears and prejudices exactly as this does. 

    It’s all about freedom, innit, less regulation, less tax burden, and damn the climate.  There’s more polar bears now, so it’s fine.  Let’s have open-cast coal mining, lithium mining and fracking. The section on climate change stumbles around like a Friday night drunk, trying to explain he wasn’t being racist to the barman – a denier position emerges, unsurprisingly.

    In places, the mask really slips: “We must keep divisive woke ideologies such as Critical Race Theory (CRT) and gender ideology out of the classroom.” – to be honest, I don’t even know what those two are.

    The standard enemies are put up – the civil service, the BBC.  Amid all the thrust and parry, there’s nothing  about making a better, more inclusive and cohesive world to live in; arts, sports and culture don’t feature in this barstool view of the world: a dullard’s grim vision.

    Don’t be a member of the wrong sort of minority would be my advice, should any of this come to pass. 
     

    https://www.reformparty.uk/reformisessential

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    chrisonabike

    They have solutions which are

    They have solutions which are beyond arithmetic!

    I think along with wresting power from the unelected European Courts* and deposing the tyrant Starmer we should also throw Count Binface out of power.  We’re paying too much for aliens in this country…

    * Is this still right?  Cereals are still sold in grams in the supermarkets and I read there’s still a Holland in this country – can’t we cut ourselves lose?

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    john_smith

    peted76 wrote:

    Agreed. Starmer has been an absolutely terrible PM. He’s obviously only in it for the money and has no interest whatsoever in serving the country. I’ll certainly be voting Reform at the GE. At least they have real solutions to the problems we face.

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    David9694

    The talentless, jumped-up and

    The talentless, jumped-up and dissatisfied are the key demographic.

    Your life now is disappointing, you no longer feel part of the world, others seem to have it better and your lack of advancement must be someone else’s fault. You have a vague idea that it made more sense when you were younger or in old films.

    You don’t understand complexity, how government works, you’re bored of the main parties and taken in by the promise of instant solutions to big, long-standing issues. 
     

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    peted76

    I don’t have much to

    I don’t have much to contribute to this rather indepth scare thread other than to remind people that our party political system is not fit for purpose and that whichever one of the parties you vote for we’ll just have yet another bunch of career politicians trying to save their own arses when people start asking why they’ve not done what they said they would, or fixed this or that.. or getting called out for dodgy expense claims or giving large contracts to mates… I can see why people are going to vote reform.. of nothing else it’s a ‘new’ name on the ballot card and people are just fed up to the back teeth with both the useless cons and the inept labs.. 

    I did hear a voice on the radio the other day, some professor from some uni saying that there were ways to engage with the electorate more and ask them the questions that needed asking when making bigger decisions while within government (not waiting for a four year ballot to choose policies to vote for)..  this did seem like a refreshing change of narrative that in my years on this earth I hadn’t heard communicated within the media before.. I wonder if that denotes a step change in how our useless leaders might actually engate politics in the future sometime.. ? 

    It’s a shame that, us the people, are corralled and cajoled into making decisions based on highly emotive subjects and we’re simply not presented with a bunch of facts and figures and options, I mean why can’t we vote on strategies and not  for parties. The idelogical standpoints of cons/labs/libs/greens are simply not there any more..  Why are we forced into voting for one party when we should be voting for the best and brightest strategies and ideas to move gov.uk forward. Why don’t the government engage with us like adults instead of children? Why do we allow them to engage with us like this? (answer because for most of us, there isn’t a lever to change it)

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    David9694

    Welcome to

    Welcome to

    The Reform Party and the UK’s lurch towards fascism

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    hawkinspeter
    brooksby wrote:
    We laugh at them now, but what happens if these people actually start winning elections and getting into Parliament?

    They’ll first start by destroying democracy and ensuring that only older people will vote by introducing voter IDs on the premise that it’ll prevent voter fraud (which isn’t actually an issue).

    Then they’ll probably pick an out-group to blame everything on and will try to send them packing on planes to Rwanda or something.

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    brooksby

    We laugh at them now, but

    We laugh at them now, but what happens if these people actually start winning elections and getting into Parliament?

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    chrisonabike

    Good point – why, it was

    Good point – why, it was common to read it in the most respectable newspapers!

    https://cdn.road.cc/wp-content/uploads/roadcc/Rothermere_-_Hurrah_for_the_Blackshirts.jpg

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    hawkinspeter
    David9694 wrote:
    Is is this what allegedly is killing the Conservative Party?

    I think the Tories and Reform both want the racist voters

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    David9694

    Is is this what allegedly is

    Is is this what allegedly is killing the Conservative Party?

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    David9694

    The good news on this is that

    The good news on this is that most of their candidates are pretty dysfunctional individuals – not sure which came first : that or the weirdo opinions. 

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    hawkinspeter

    I keep finding these things,

    I keep finding these things, so I’ll leave this one here too:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw880334dgyo

    Grant StClair-Armstrong wrote:
    I could weep now, every time I pick up a British newspaper and read the latest about the state of the UK. No doubt, Enoch Powell would be doing the same if he was alive. My solution … vote BNP!

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    Wingguy
    Hirsute wrote:
    Looking into someone’s published online comments and material is now

    “Offence archaeology”

    Well look – they did go back a whole (checks notes) two years. That’s three Prime Ministers ago! I wouldn’t expect a young whippersnapper like you to understand the sea change in British cultural attitudes in the couple of seasons since BoJo last quaffed a bit of wine in the Downing Street gardens but it’s hard to overstate how common it was to suggest being on the side of the holocaust back in those olden days.

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    wtjs

    A Reform spokesman said the

    A Reform spokesman said the comments were not “endorsements” but “written with an eye to inconvenient perspectives and truths”, while his remarks about women were “tongue in cheek”

    That’s what people like the haggard Telegraph fashion journo always say, after they have declared that they would like to kill all cyclists. Hilarious wit, isn’t it?

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    chrisonabike

    Just bantz.  It was all taken

    Just bantz.  It was all taken out of context anyway (the Daily Stormer).

    Gribbin – that’s close to “Griffin”? – anyway, any excuse for this old chestnut.

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