[David9694]

A new catch-all Tea Shop thread for those miscellaneous new stories that don’t quite fit with parking, crashing into buildings or trapped/prisoners in their homes. 

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[brooksby]

hawkinspeter wrote:

David9694 wrote:

It will need to generate some money to cover the installation costs of all those cameras and deal with all the many queries this will generate.

I’d suggest the approach taken by Parking Eye on this. 

What’s your betting on “traders call on Mayor to delay CAZ because reasons” before D-Day? 

They may well do, but I think the right to have air that’s not over the legal pollution limits is more important than traders running old vehicles. The majority of vehicles (80% IIRC) won’t be affected by the CAZ as they are sufficiently ‘clean’. I know there’s some fuss about the Portway being included as that will ‘catch’ vehicles that aren’t heading towards the centre, but the air quality along the Portway is particularly dire.

Isn’t there a lot of fuss about how they moved the line over the Cumberland Basin, too, so that cars coming from south Bristol over the basin and then along the Portway toward the motorway will all be charged.  Means, I suspect, an increase in traffic using the A369 to get to the motorway…

[hawkinspeter]

David9694 wrote:

It will need to generate some money to cover the installation costs of all those cameras and deal with all the many queries this will generate.

I’d suggest the approach taken by Parking Eye on this. 

What’s your betting on “traders call on Mayor to delay CAZ because reasons” before D-Day? 

They may well do, but I think the right to have air that’s not over the legal pollution limits is more important than traders running old vehicles. The majority of vehicles (80% IIRC) won’t be affected by the CAZ as they are sufficiently ‘clean’. I know there’s some fuss about the Portway being included as that will ‘catch’ vehicles that aren’t heading towards the centre, but the air quality along the Portway is particularly dire.

[hawkinspeter]

brooksby wrote:

I wonder how Bristol City Council will keep all the clean air in?   

That’s what the hot air balloon festival is for

[brooksby]

hawkinspeter wrote:

David9694 wrote:

Bristol Clean Air Zone drivers to be given six week ‘offer’ to avoid fines

The  “trial system” gives you 7 days to pay the fee, after which it turns into the much bigger fine.

The long term intention is that you have to pay in advance – perhaps the admin is simpler that way? 

Expect the usual driver bullshit on this soon. I’ll say it again, you could hand-write “Petrol £1.30 a litre: this way⛽️” on a bit of old cardboard and drivers would know about it. 

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-clean-air-zone-drivers-7824338

It bugs me that this has taken so long to get implemented. Bristol’s air pollution has been above legal limits for years now and the CAZ has been kicked down the road until now which is particularly bad timing in terms of the cost-of-living crisis and recession. There’s lots of accusations that the CAZ is just a money generator which to be fair, it is, but in reality motorists have been getting away with dumping polluted air around the city and not paying for the privilege.

I wonder how Bristol City Council will keep all the clean air in?   

[David9694]

It will need to generate some

It will need to generate some money to cover the installation costs of all those cameras and deal with all the many queries this will generate.

I’d suggest the approach taken by Parking Eye on this. 

What’s your betting on “traders call on Mayor to delay CAZ because reasons” before D-Day? 

[David9694]

Martin73 | 153 crap posts |

Martin73 | 153 crap posts | it seems like only yesterday 

there you go, what did I tell you, you don’t want want to be confronting drivers about their tints it might just turn out they’re an even bigger crim than you imagined and produce an axe 

[Steve K]

Seventyone wrote:

Seventyone wrote:

I don’t pay for the telegraph but it’s not paywalled for me Here is the “best” bit: If only speed limits were the end of it. But they’re not. Blundering into ever-expanding low-traffic neighbourhoods (fine), congestion zones (fine) or emissions zones (fine); bus lanes that suddenly rear out of the side of the road (fine); yellow box junctions set up like fiendish games of chance (fine)

I agree – all those things are fine.

[chrisonabike]

But if you put in an LTN then

But if you put in an LTN then someone will immediately scream “pollution”!  I know people adapt to what is and it’s only ‘change’ that we worry about but stuff like this grinds my gears.  It’s apparently acceptable to have an entire city choking for years but if you make a small change for the better in one place and round the corner from there the nasty numbers go up…  Also said numbers may well come down in a month or two as drivers adapt.

Strangely it isn’t all the people actually putting out that pollution who get it in the neck either.

[brooksby]

My office window looks down

My office window looks down on one of the roads along the edge of the zone (literally – the maps reckon that the zone ends on the other side of the road!) so it will be interesting to see how much difference the CAZ makes to volumes of motor traffic.

[hawkinspeter]

David9694 wrote:

Bristol Clean Air Zone drivers to be given six week ‘offer’ to avoid fines

The  “trial system” gives you 7 days to pay the fee, after which it turns into the much bigger fine.

The long term intention is that you have to pay in advance – perhaps the admin is simpler that way? 

Expect the usual driver bullshit on this soon. I’ll say it again, you could hand-write “Petrol £1.30 a litre: this way⛽️” on a bit of old cardboard and drivers would know about it. 

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-clean-air-zone-drivers-7824338

It bugs me that this has taken so long to get implemented. Bristol’s air pollution has been above legal limits for years now and the CAZ has been kicked down the road until now which is particularly bad timing in terms of the cost-of-living crisis and recession. There’s lots of accusations that the CAZ is just a money generator which to be fair, it is, but in reality motorists have been getting away with dumping polluted air around the city and not paying for the privilege.

[chrisonabike]

It’s a trap though, isn’t it?

It’s a trap though, isn’t it?  I mean we grow up and even as children we understand that roads are “for” driving down.  You almost never experience anything different.  Then what do you know – you get your freedom wheels, then (after a while, if you were lucky to start with) you suddenly realise this costs chunks of money.  But OK, you can still go everywhere, in your own space, carrying your stuff.

But now you’ve driven down a road just like you always do and someone wants more money off you?!  What for?

[David9694]

Bristol Clean Air Zone

Bristol Clean Air Zone drivers to be given six week ‘offer’ to avoid fines

The  “trial system” gives you 7 days to pay the fee, after which it turns into the much bigger fine.

The long term intention is that you have to pay in advance – perhaps the admin is simpler that way? 

Expect the usual driver bullshit on this soon. I’ll say it again, you could hand-write “Petrol £1.30 a litre: this way⛽️” on a bit of old cardboard and drivers would know about it. 

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-clean-air-zone-drivers-7824338

[David9694]

How cars stole the

How cars stole the Remembrance Day Parade. 

The Royal British Legion are taking a stricter line with their local branches as a  result of this incident or one like it in 2018:  

https://stratfordobserver.co.uk/news/army-veteran-fights-for-his-life-after-remembrance-day-accident/

“AN ARMY veteran from Warwickshire is fighting for his life after being hit by a car at a Remembrance Sunday parade.

Ade Stowell volunteered as a marshal at the centenary event in Studley and was clearing away closed road barriers when the accident happened.”

It sounds like there was an insurance claim made and paid.

This conversation must be being had in every community that has a tradition of a Remembrance Day parade. They seem to have managed OK in my village this year with our fairly simple parade route. Whether they’re complying with the RBL line, I don’t know. 

District Councils and police cannot deploy personnel to multiple locations simultaneously . Town and Parish councils have no powers to make road closures – the community org mentioned  in the article would have needed the district council to effect this if required.  It may also depend on the happenstance of where your cenotaph is located e.g. in a park. 

More broadly, although there are lots of willing participants and helpers, everything, like PA equipment, signage, the wreaths, public liability insurance all has to be organised, found and usually paid for. It’s usually the Council that has inherited the upkeep, and even updating of the war memorial.  

I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say that in large measure cars did this. 

No Remembrance Day Parade in Kingswood after disagreement over who is responsible for it

Is it a Royal British Legion event or a civic event?

“The wreath-laying at the town’s Cenotaph took place as usual, followed by a church service at Holy Trinity Church in Kingswood, but there was no parade due to a row over road closures and public liability insurance.”

“South Gloucestershire Council maintained its position that the responsibility for organising the road closures and insurance connected with the event lies with the Royal British Legion, but the RBL nationally – and the Kingswood branch – maintain local authorities should take on the ownership of the logistics and legalities as they regard them as civic events.”

“Parades with road closures did happen in Yate and Staple Hill, where a local community organisation took on the responsibility of organising the legal issues around insurance and road closures.”

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/no-remembrance-day-parade-kingswood-7819203

 

[David9694]

Cllr Stuart Hughes, Devon

Cllr Stuart Hughes, Devon County Council’s Cabinet Member for Highway Management said: “ The changes we are proposing will not only reduce the risk for road users along Station Road but are intended to help reduce congestion along Exwick Road and St Andrews Road.”

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/speed-limit-could-raised-exeter-7824861

[Jogle]

First the police wanted to
First the police wanted to remove the tint from his windows and then they took his axe off him. The police just have it in for drivers!

https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/crime/portsmouth-man-is-stopped-by-police-for-over-tinted-car-windows-and-reacts-by-getting-an-axe-out-and-swinging-it-around-3917757?amp

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