[David9694]

No more lollipop ladies, close paddling pools and turning off streetlights: How budget cutting BCP Council proposes to save millions

This will be coming to your area in one shape or another.  A few items below, with more in the pipeline as they still have a £12m gap. 

No America trade deal. Still, I was reading, a possibility of an India deal next year, which will fix everything. 

Community Safety Accreditation Scheme (Save £270,000) – They aim to remove community safety officers from Poole Town Centre, Christchurch Town Centre and Boscombe.

Monitoring CCTV (Save £49,000) – Reduce live monitoring of the cameras by 15-30 per cent and to seek support from partner agencies to fund the service. This could mean cameras will no longer be watched by staff at off-peak times.
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Switching off street lighting (Save £68,000) – Turn off streetlights after midnight to 6am on quieter residential roads within the Poole area.

School Crossing Patrol (Save £12,000) – Remove school crossing patrols from locations that have existing crossing facilities and remove school crossing patrols from locations that, following a survey, do not meet the threshold for a patrol.

https://www.dorset.live/news/dorset-news/bcp-council-savings-budget-cuts-8924988

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[David9694]

Rich_cb wrote:

Rich_cb wrote:

Did I start this forum post? Did I drag up a discussion from 4 months ago and lie about it? From today’s discussion it has become apparent that you’re largely incapable of understanding a basic graph so I can see how the use of such complex devices might irk you somewhat.

I started it. I will go on raising it. Tell me one reason why I should not. 

Brexit (like cars) is founded on lies. Both can and will  be corrected. 

Meanwhile, 4-5 people daily will keep on dying and the people of this country will lead a substandard life as a result of these con tricks until there is change.  

[Rendel Harris]

Last word because I feel bad

Last word because I feel bad about feeding your bizarre attempts to claim you didn’t say what you said, but we’ll go to the dictionary: “confidently: in a way that expresses little doubt” and “assure: to promise of tell someone something confidently or firmly.” As in “The India deal appears to be on the cusp of final sign off” – confident and with little doubt. Goodnight, feel free to call me a liar as many more times as you like, everyone can see your words.

[Hirsute]

Over the next 10 – 15 years
Over the next 10 – 15 years
So not actual evidence merely an estimate.
And even if a trade agreement is reached, you have no idea if it will be better or worse or the same.
Meanwhile the real impact is currently felt.

I guess you forgot how sunak triumphed his alcohol duty changes as a Brexit benefit despite the overall increase (the highest for a number of years ) leaving Britain with one of the highest duties in Europe.

[Rich_cb]

Define ‘confidently assure’
Define ‘confidently assure’ Rendel.

Those were your own words so please tell us what they mean.

If the meaning of your words do not reflect the reality of what I said then you were dishonest and are therefore a liar.

[Rendel Harris]

Your words are there for all

Your words are there for all to see. I quoted them in a screenshot, no chance of changing your words. Just because your words were deeply foolish and have since been proved to be badly wrong, that doesn’t make someone quoting them a liar. Own your mistakes, dear.

 

[Rich_cb]

You are a liar Rendel and no
You are a liar Rendel and no amount of obfuscation will change that.

‘confidently assure’ has a pretty tight definition and not a single thing that I wrote on the previous thread meets it. You knew that. You wrote it anyway. You’re a liar.

To clarify your latest attempt at deceit, I didn’t say the benefits would only arrive when India was the world’s largest economy. You made that up, as you make up so much else Mr Photographic Memory*…

* it’s just for text location blah blah blah

[Rich_cb]

Yet we are still the 6th
Yet we are still the 6th largest economy in the world. We have plenty to offer trading partners.

India are currently the 5th largest economy so a trade deal would bring benefits immediately. The fact that their economy is projected to increase in size rapidly over this century (contrast with EU) just adds an extra imperative.

Standard practice in trade deals is to include clauses so that if a future trade deal secures better terms yours will be upgraded too.

[Rendel Harris]

Rich_cb wrote:

Rich_cb wrote:

Yet India is expected to be the world’s biggest economy by the end of this century.

Yes all you doubters, wait 76 years and we might have a deal with the world’s biggest economy, there’s your Brexit benefit! That’ll be well worth jettisoning the deal we already had, right here, right now with the trading block that is economically second in the world to the USA, bigger than China and nearly three times as rich as India.

Unfortunately I won’t be around then to see the 120-year-old Rich explaining “I didn’t say it was going to happen, I only said ‘expected…’, if you quote directly what I said before you’re lying…”

[Eton Rifle]

Rich_cb wrote:

Rich_cb wrote:

Yet India is expected to be the world’s biggest economy by the end of this century. Who’d want a trade deal with them…

India is the world’s most populous country and is in prime position to capitalise on the demographic issues that will soon hit large swathes of the planet.

Soviet Russia murdered 10’s of millions of its own people btw.

Oh I see, so now instead of waiting 10-50 years for those Brexit “benefits”, it’s now the thick end of a century?

If, by some miracle, India somehow DID become an attractive target for a trade deal, USA, China etc would be well ahead of us in being a more attractive trading partner.
That’s what you Brexiters seem unable to grasp. Agreements are time-limited. We simply DON’T hold all the cards. Ask British cheese exporters if you don’t believe me.

Getting good terms depends on economic muscle. We’re a third-rate power with a flat-lining economy, an endemic productivity problem and a failed political system, trying to trade on past glory.

[Rich_cb]

Yet India is expected to be
Yet India is expected to be the world’s biggest economy by the end of this century. Who’d want a trade deal with them…

India is the world’s most populous country and is in prime position to capitalise on the demographic issues that will soon hit large swathes of the planet.

Soviet Russia murdered 10’s of millions of its own people btw.

[Eton Rifle]

Rich_cb wrote:

Rich_cb wrote:

I’m not denying that disruption is occurring.

Short term disruption was always going to occur. I believe that the long term benefits will far outweigh these short term disruptions.

Oh come on. The benefits of Brexit, as promised by Leavers were immediate and tangible: £350m a week for the NHS, control of our borders (not that we ever lost that but even you must have noticed that net inward migration has hit a high since leaving) shiny new trade deals etc etc. If you want to see a REAL delta between what was promised and what had actually happened, this article by that moron Dan Hannan is worth a read, just for the laughs.
https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/

[Eton Rifle]

Rich_cb wrote:

Rich_cb wrote:

What was the per capita GDP of Eastern Europe when Poland et al. were admitted to the EU?

Increasing trade with rapidly growing economies benefits all parties involved.

You really don’t understand any of this, do you?

I was there in the 1990s, working in manufacturing, when eastern Europe was really starting to open up. Soviet Russia was a repressive regime (although far more benign that the current dictator, Putin) but eastern Europe had a highly educated population, stable political institutions and decent infrastructure. India has none of this.

[Rich_cb]

Has the EU been able to
Has the EU been able to secure a trade deal with the US or India?

If they can’t secure those deals then what use is their supposed ‘negotiating strength’?

The EU is a diverse collection of economies each of which holds a veto over trade deals, it’s far easier to negotiate trade deals with a much narrower list of priorities than trying to balance the interests of 27 competing countries.

Quote from fullfact re UK-Japan deal:
“Ultimately, while it seems like additional provisions in the UK’s deal will have little impact, trade experts also do not expect the new deal to be worse than the old one.”

[Eton Rifle]

Rich_cb wrote:

Rich_cb wrote:

Merely being able to negotiate independent trade deals is enough of a benefit for me. We’ve been out for under 3 years, it’s incredibly early days yet.

But what’s the point of being able to do this if our negotiating strength is a fraction of the EU’s, resulting in the pathetic deals (Japan – worse than EU deal and UK exports actually FELL in the first year of implementation, CTTP – 0.08% increase in GDP after 20 years – basically a rounding error, Australia laughing all the way to the back as the UK throws its own farmers under the bus etc) that the Tories have signed up for so far? They’re just performative nonsense to distract the gullible from the massive failure that Brexit has been.

It’s like saying that leaving a trades union and being able to negotiate your own pay rises is “enough of a benefit for me” and completely ignoring that the pay rise you can “negotiate” on your own is fraction of what a TU can get for you.

I’m frankly baffled that you seem unable to grasp this simple point.

[perce]

I’ve just been listening to

I’ve just been listening to Richard Hawley, (not by choice). Not really my cup of tea – I just find him repetitive and boring.

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