[David9694]

No more lollipop ladies, close paddling pools and turning off streetlights: How budget cutting BCP Council proposes to save millions

This will be coming to your area in one shape or another.  A few items below, with more in the pipeline as they still have a £12m gap. 

No America trade deal. Still, I was reading, a possibility of an India deal next year, which will fix everything. 

Community Safety Accreditation Scheme (Save £270,000) – They aim to remove community safety officers from Poole Town Centre, Christchurch Town Centre and Boscombe.

Monitoring CCTV (Save £49,000) – Reduce live monitoring of the cameras by 15-30 per cent and to seek support from partner agencies to fund the service. This could mean cameras will no longer be watched by staff at off-peak times.
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Switching off street lighting (Save £68,000) – Turn off streetlights after midnight to 6am on quieter residential roads within the Poole area.

School Crossing Patrol (Save £12,000) – Remove school crossing patrols from locations that have existing crossing facilities and remove school crossing patrols from locations that, following a survey, do not meet the threshold for a patrol.

https://www.dorset.live/news/dorset-news/bcp-council-savings-budget-cuts-8924988

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[Rich_cb]

The Appellation stuff is pure
The Appellation stuff is pure protectionism. The fact that the UK has gone along with it doesn’t make it any less so.

I called the changes cosmetic because they don’t create any meaningful difference. As concluded by fullfact.

By including minor improvements in access for services in the Japan deal they do set a template for future trade deals in which services (80% of our economy) are prioritised over goods.

[Rendel Harris]

You really are making a bit

You really are making a bit of a turkey of yourself this Christmas. It may suit your strange need to be right at all costs (classic sign of narcissistic personality disorder by the way) to call people who don’t agree with you liars but I’m afraid people aren’t fooled by that, as the total lack of support for your rantings proves. How about instead of calling me a liar you address the substantive point raised not by me but by the Parliamentary International Trade Committee that in switching from the EU to the UK trade deal with Japan we have lost access to 15/25 Tariff Rate Quota reduced duty rates and only get to use the remaining ten if they’re not filled by the EU? No ranting, no name calling, just address the substantive facts.

Oh, by the way, you left this out of your quotes from the FullFact article:

“Ms Thornberry says that government analysis shows that the old deal was projected to increase UK GDP by £2.6 billion, but the new deal is only projected to increase UK GDP by £1.5 billion over the same period. This is correct, as noted by Full Fact back in September.”

You’re the chap who likes to accuse others of cherry-picking, right?

[RDaneel]

Rich_cb wrote:

Rich_cb wrote:

The differences are therefore unlikely to be in major areas and are probably mostly cosmetic……..

The EU has a lot of trade agreements but is also simultaneously very protectionist, especially of food and agriculture. The best example is the Appellation d’Origine and its derivatives which simply push up prices for consumers and deliver no discernible benefit to anyone but the producers.

They just fancied changing things for mainly cosmetic reasons, and only in the minor areas?  I’m no trade expert but I’d be very doubtful that changes from the EU rollover would be changed for cosmetic reasons only. 
 

Appellation d’Origine, a number of other countries use a similar system,

“The US for example has the American Viticultural Areasalso which follows the model set by the French AOC”

It’s merely a different but equally valid way of labelling Wine as per the protected designation system for such things as Parmesan cheese,  Camembert etc. Such a system also seems to have been put in place by the U.K. since we left the EU scheme, protecting domestic U.K. suppliers, how very dare they! 

[chrisonabike]

Pardonnez-moi! Zut alors! No
Pardonnez-moi! Zut alors! No more Delors!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67830106

[Rich_cb]

Rendel the liar chips in once
Rendel the liar chips in once more.
Here’s the fullfact page I referred to earlier.
https://fullfact.org/economy/japan-eu-deal-thornberry/

“Ultimately, while it seems like additional provisions in the UK’s deal will have little impact, trade experts also do not expect the new deal to be worse than the old one.”

I think my description was pretty accurate.

[Rendel Harris]

RDaneel wrote:

And near identical is not the same as identical so what are the differences and who do they benefit? I don’t know but it’s all very well saying near identical when the difference may be quite key, no?

One difference is that the EU-Japan agreement has 25 Tariff Rate Quotas relating to “certain goods to be imported at a reduced rate of duty, up to a specified quantity limit.” The UK “will retain access to 10 of those 25 EU TRQs in relation to any surplus quota volume left unused by the EU in any given year.” (Both quotes from Parliamentary International Trade Committee). So we lost more than 50% of our privileged tariff reductions and only get to use those left if the EU doesn’t want them. I’m sure Rich will be along shortly to explain that by “near identical” he didn’t, obviously, mean “nearly identical” and that anyone who says he did is a liar…

[Rich_cb]

According to quoted trade
According to quoted trade experts on fullfact the UK-Japan deal is equivalent to the EU deal. Neither better nor worse.

The differences are therefore unlikely to be in major areas and are probably mostly cosmetic.

While the Aus-UK FTA and CPTPP will have minimal economic impact the AUKUS deal will see billions of pounds invested in the UK and a lot of that will come directly from Australia.

The EU has a lot of trade agreements but is also simultaneously very protectionist, especially of food and agriculture. The best example is the Appellation d’Origine and its derivatives which simply push up prices for consumers and deliver no discernible benefit to anyone but the producers.

[RDaneel]

Rich_cb wrote:

Rich_cb wrote:

The idea that protectionism actually protects anybody but a tiny minority of vested interests has long been debunked. Free trade makes a country richer and improves the prosperity of its citizens. The EU has attempted and, so far, failed to secure FTAs with India and the USA. The EU has secured an FTA with Japan but the UK has also agreed a near identical agreement post Brexit. The point being that the ‘negotiating strength’ of the EU doesn’t seem to actually translate into big differences when dealing with larger economies. I think the Australia FTA needs to be seen in the context of the CPTPP and AUSUK deals, trade is just one aspect, geopolitics is equally as important.

Just as well the EU is the biggest free trade area in the world and

” ..According to an analysis of data from the WTO the EU-27 countries are – by some margin – the countries with the most trade agreements in the world”

And near identical is not the same as identical so what are the differences and who do they benefit? I don’t know but it’s all very well saying near identical when the difference may be quite key, no? 

Of course CPTPP was geopolitical as the U.K. already has trade deals with the majority of the members. The Aus deal was by and large not about boosting trade, Government figures showing the economic benefit as negligible. 
 

[mark1a]

I’m sure Johnny Depp would be

I’m sure Johnny Depp would be interested. 

[hawkinspeter]

David9694 wrote:

Aah, the little niche that is British winemaking. I don’t think we make the quantities (nor the quality most years) for much of an export market. 

The other thing is that wine is marketed here in a distinct way, i.e. 99% comes in a 750 ml bottle, making 6 x125 mm glasses or 3 x 250 mm.  My wife doesn’t drink, so I would welcome a wider variety of sizes, particularly the 375 mm half-bottle which are hard to find, although many restaurants do them.  No, I don’t want the sad / single serving bottles the supermarkets do. 

The minibar in my Christmas hotel had a tin of red and a tin of white, and you can buy vacuum wine cartons with a tap, but on the whole UK folk play along with the “wine snob” mode, serving it in stem glasses – whereas in France vin ordinaire is often consumed from a Tetrapak carton in a tumbler. 

Maybe someone should try offtering the 1pt wine format, see if people in these days of shrinkflation want to buy it. 

See! We’re only just considering it and already we’ve got a customer.

[David9694]

Aah, the little niche that is

Aah, the little niche that is British winemaking. I don’t think we make the quantities (nor the quality most years) for much of an export market. 

The other thing is that wine is marketed here in a distinct way, i.e. 99% comes in a 750 ml bottle, making 6 x125 mm glasses or 3 x 250 mm.  My wife doesn’t drink, so I would welcome a wider variety of sizes, particularly the 375 mm half-bottle which are hard to find, although many restaurants do them.  No, I don’t want the sad / single serving bottles the supermarkets do. 

The minibar in my Christmas hotel had a tin of red and a tin of white, and you can buy vacuum wine cartons with a tap, but on the whole UK folk play along with the “wine snob” mode, serving it in stem glasses – whereas in France vin ordinaire is often consumed from a Tetrapak carton in a tumbler. 

Maybe someone should try offtering the 1pt wine format, see if people in these days of shrinkflation want to buy it. 

[Rendel Harris]

After much more of this

After much more of this nonsense my interest will not be so much in whether supermarkets are selling wine in pint bottles but more in whether pubs are selling wine in pint glasses.

[hawkinspeter]

Bigfoz wrote:

Ah yes, pint bottles of wine. 

Let’s see: Bottled largely in the EU, or FOR the EU market, so bottling subject to the EU regs on measures (the regs we seem to be thumbing our noses at). So how many bottlers are going to bottle up a special size for the UK with associated tooling / bottle costs? Or will we buy it in std measures and then pour it into smaller bottles here? Yet another one of those Brexit benefit” stories, that while it may be true, is not very likely. Yes it’s possible, but who’s going to do it outside of maybe 3 wine growers in Kent.

Look – we voted for it, so we’re damn well going to sell British wine in pint bottles and then blame the Europeans for not buying it from us (never mind if they do even buy British wine at the moment).

[Hirsute]

They would not do it either –
They would not do it either – new machines, bottles, labels, processes and storage.
Complete distraction from the issues and to appease the 1.3% and telegraph readers.

[Bigfoz]

Ah yes, pint bottles of wine.

Ah yes, pint bottles of wine. 

Let’s see: Bottled largely in the EU, or FOR the EU market, so bottling subject to the EU regs on measures (the regs we seem to be thumbing our noses at). So how many bottlers are going to bottle up a special size for the UK with associated tooling / bottle costs? Or will we buy it in std measures and then pour it into smaller bottles here? Yet another one of those Brexit benefit” stories, that while it may be true, is not very likely. Yes it’s possible, but who’s going to do it outside of maybe 3 wine growers in Kent.

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