[David9694]

No more lollipop ladies, close paddling pools and turning off streetlights: How budget cutting BCP Council proposes to save millions

This will be coming to your area in one shape or another.  A few items below, with more in the pipeline as they still have a £12m gap. 

No America trade deal. Still, I was reading, a possibility of an India deal next year, which will fix everything. 

Community Safety Accreditation Scheme (Save £270,000) – They aim to remove community safety officers from Poole Town Centre, Christchurch Town Centre and Boscombe.

Monitoring CCTV (Save £49,000) – Reduce live monitoring of the cameras by 15-30 per cent and to seek support from partner agencies to fund the service. This could mean cameras will no longer be watched by staff at off-peak times.
.
Switching off street lighting (Save £68,000) – Turn off streetlights after midnight to 6am on quieter residential roads within the Poole area.

School Crossing Patrol (Save £12,000) – Remove school crossing patrols from locations that have existing crossing facilities and remove school crossing patrols from locations that, following a survey, do not meet the threshold for a patrol.

https://www.dorset.live/news/dorset-news/bcp-council-savings-budget-cuts-8924988

Topic

[David9694]

And what news of the India

And what news of the India deal? 

[David9694]

closer to home, a “nothing to

closer to home, a “nothing to see here” article saying ships are going around the Cape because of the Red Sea goings-on and we’re about to further fuck things up for ourselves at Dover (I never knew how much stuff came through there – Tory minister).

 I’d also urge readers to follow the Private Eye public health column – what a shitstorm the nation’s health is through to 2040 not helped by all of the above. 

Supermarkets battle to keep shelves full amid Red Sea disruption

There are fears some supplies will be disrup[ted because of the military operations

https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/supermarkets-battle-keep-shelves-full-9024953?int_source=nba

[Rich_cb]

Nothing changed legally in
Nothing changed legally in 2016 but the economic disruption certainly began.

Many companies paused investment etc until they knew what form, if any, Brexit would take.

Despite this our economic growth during that period was on par with similar economies within the EU.

The problem with using 2021 is that COVID restrictions caused absolute mayhem with the data so any data point take during that period will be less reliable. Using a pre COVID point makes sense IMO.

I like the cumulative data. It is more intuitive in my opinion.

Nevertheless the main point is that however you present the data the economy has indeed grown, as you said, and has done so in a wholly unremarkable way for a major European economy during that period of time.

[Ratfink]

Yes, i know that, it seems a

Yes, i know that, it seems a skewed way of presenting information to me especially when comparing to other countries for example the 2016 date takes advantage of the fact that despite the referendum nothing really changed and the second date takes advantage of the covid drop and looks inflated due to the bounce back from a low point,If you produced the same thing using 2001 when we actually left the single market it would look completely different,That’s the time to start comparing other countries.It still doesn’t take away the fact that yes you are right the economy hasn’t shrunk since brexit whenever you start 2016 or 2021.Personally i think 2001 is the date to start looking whichever way it goes.

[Rich_cb]

Cumulative just means how
Cumulative just means how much it has increased in total. Referenced back to a particular point. It’s the same data you posted.

Eg
Year 1: 10% growth
Year 2: 10% growth

Cumulative 21%.

On your graph the reference year would be 100.
Year 1 would be 110.
Year 2 would be 121.

It’s just two different ways of presenting the same data.

[Ratfink]

That is cumlative gdp though

That is cumulative gdp though not the size of the economy a more realistic graph is this.

[Ratfink]

If you go onto the ONS site

If you go onto the ONS site you can change the dates to any date range for GDP for some reason if you save the image it only gives you that full range.Despite the chart you posted saying source ONS, i can find no mention of cumulative GDP on that site at all?

[chrisonabike]

Rich_cb wrote:

Rich_cb wrote:

The problem with ratfink’s graph is that by choosing a far longer timescale the relatively small changes since 2016 are hard to differentiate.

…or puts things in perspective relative to “events” (e.g. Covid)…

[Rich_cb]

The problem with ratfinksl’s
The problem with ratfink’s graph is that by choosing a far longer timescale the relatively small changes since 2016 are hard to differentiate.

The take home point is that, when compared to other similarly sized EU economies, our economic growth post Brexit has been entirely unremarkable.

The real question is what are the USA and Canada doing differently to Europe?

[chrisonabike]

I think Ratfink’s maybe

I think Ratfink’s maybe clearer (long-term trends and all).  Of course I wouldn’t come around here saying “it’s not just Brexit” (justifying either a positive or negative view of it) but for whatever reasons there appears to be a bit of a plateau post-Covid.  Probably a case of “too early to say” though (like the effect of the French Revolution…)

[Rich_cb]

The graphs represent the same
The graphs represent the same data.

Yours is just looking at a wider timeline and only indexed to 2019.

The actual data points are identical.

[Rich_cb]

It’s gone on increased
It’s gone on increased spending on public services.

Government spending as a proportion of GDP is nearing record peacetime highs if not already above them.

It’s not as if there’s been a significant demographic shift or anything…

[David9694]

So the money we do make, has

So the money we do make, has it all gone to Michelle Mone is something?

[Rich_cb]

How much bigger would the
The economy hasn’t shrunk since Brexit.

How much bigger would the economy realistically be if Brexit hadn’t happened?

[David9694]

The de-funding of public

The de-funding of public services because the economy has shrunk, as predicted.  

No, wait it’s all to do with demographics the ageing population – if that is true then don’t we need the strongest possible economy to provide for us? 

[Author]

Replies