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February 21, 2012 at 8:11 am #15158
nickobec
Just trying to drum up support to convince Dave & co to get rid of the 4 star rider rule, happy to hear counter arguments.
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1 Does not make logical sense
2. Makes the game more complicated (keep it as simple as possible, 9 riders with a budget of 150 points, not 4 riders from this pile & 5 from this pile)
3 Disadvantages newer players, old hands understand the complexities and …. them. Newer players just scratch their heads or leave in frustration. Want to swap out Bradley Wiggins for Richie Porte, you can’t but you can swap a 4 point for Porte and long as you replace Wiggins with a 26 point star rider -
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Alan Tullett
Gkam84 wrote:If Viviani
Gkam84 wrote:If Viviani wasn’t there, I’m pretty sure alot of people would be mumping more about the star ridersIts the price hike for some i find annoying, just cause they went up a hill on a stage a couple of times with the big guys, doesn’t make him a star, Taaramae is 27.7 this year, thats going to put people off him for a start, ok he was great last season when he got the chance, but he’s not a star yet and them just because Roy was in aload of breaks and climbed a few mountains, he’s now 23.3 X(
Have to agree with you on that. I used them a lot last year but probably won’t this. But we’ll have to look for the new star domestiques. Gallopin has already done well, even though I had him in the wrong tour.
Think the restricted points cuts down on the options for DSs which was a big part of the fun last year, as we all know who the star riders are. It’s discovering new riders and having them come good that gives me the greatest buzz. Like coming downstairs on Stage 2 of the TDU and finding out W Clarke had gone on a break and won. I’m pretty sure his 65 points is the highest individual score on a stage so far. I was on cloud 9 all day. I’d be reluctant to spend too much on a DS now until I’m sure they’re going to score a bit.
One option would be to keep the game more or less the same with maybe a few less star riders and have separate budgets for star and domestique riders.
Maybe 100 for 4 stars and 50 for 5 domestiques with some of the stars becoming more expensive domestiques around about 15 points e.g. Roy, Taaramae and maybe a few others.Any changes would have to be for next year of course.
As the Tours get more interesting these problems might seem less important. Recently it’s only been worthwhile to pick about 4 out of 8/9 sprinters and AR riders. Soon it won’t be so simple.
prinzi
hey man you know you dont
hey man you know you dont need no ticket you just get on board …. …. ….TERatcliffe26
Totally agree with Gkam, as
Totally agree with Gkam, as for viviani, i will say he is in my paris-nice team as i expect him to top 3 on stage 2, but ive had to plan the rest of my team so i can have enough credits to get him out after that stage as its id say another 7 credits needed to put in another so called star rider that is likely to score any points throughout the rest of the race. So none of my star riders will be above 30 credits, as an average of mid/high 20’s for just 4 riders is not alot as you cant really have a high 30’s guy and a decent team due to the lack of 10-20 credited star riders compared to the overall number of creditsGkam84
If Viviani wasn’t there, I’m
If Viviani wasn’t there, I’m pretty sure alot of people would be mumping more about the star ridersIts the price hike for some i find annoying, just cause they went up a hill on a stage a couple of times with the big guys, doesn’t make him a star, Taaramae is 27.7 this year, thats going to put people off him for a start, ok he was great last season when he got the chance, but he’s not a star yet and them just because Roy was in aload of breaks and climbed a few mountains, he’s now 23.3 X(
drheaton
My point was that where Sky
My point was that where Sky are competing but Cav isn’t in the squad Swift or Appollonio will be a sprinter and therefore where Dave et al are setting categories at the start of the season they need to sprinters. The fact that they’re not in the same class is irrelevant, that’s why they’re cheaper!Based on my provisional team for the Paris-Nice having a cap of 4 stars rather having to have 4 would actually be great and mean I don’t have to pick Viviani 🙂
Stumps
drheaton wrote:I say stick
drheaton wrote:I say stick with it as it is. It’s not perfect but it’s pretty good.The problem with the categories is that you have to prepare, at the start of the year, for all eventualities. There are a few sprinters in Sky’s squad because they need to compete in lots of tours, for most races Appollonio, Cavendish and Swift won’t compete together and in those cases they each need be classed as sprinters. On the odd occasion that you get 2 or 3 sprinters competing for the same team then it’s another element to the game making you choose who from each team will ride as a the protected sprinter and who as a DS.
That being the case I’d probably agree that scrapping the pre-defined 4 star rider limit and implementing it as a cap of 4 with no minimum number of Star’s (or a minimum of 2 or 3) would work well and I hope you’ll consider it for next year.
Yes Appollonio and Swift are sprinters but they are not going to be in the same class as Cav, Griepel and Goss (at least not this season) so should be reclassed as DS just as Bouhanni was in Oman yet he did better than Cav.
I appreciate it then comes down to the organisers deciding who is a star and who isn’t which is making more work for them. It’s difficult 😕
drheaton
I say stick with it as it is.
I say stick with it as it is. It’s not perfect but it’s pretty good.The problem with the categories is that you have to prepare, at the start of the year, for all eventualities. There are a few sprinters in Sky’s squad because they need to compete in lots of tours, for most races Appollonio, Cavendish and Swift won’t compete together and in those cases they each need be classed as sprinters. On the odd occasion that you get 2 or 3 sprinters competing for the same team then it’s another element to the game making you choose who from each team will ride as a the protected sprinter and who as a DS.
That being the case I’d probably agree that scrapping the pre-defined 4 star rider limit and implementing it as a cap of 4 with no minimum number of Star’s (or a minimum of 2 or 3) would work well and I hope you’ll consider it for next year.
TERatcliffe26
Think my team for Paris-Nice
Think my team for Paris-Nice is also pretty good on paper, well my planned transfers are as well if all goes to plan, will mean not so good on stage 2 but overall should be pretty good in the end 🙂
Stumps
I agree with GKam about the
I agree with GKam about the amount of star riders, especially with Sky etc, but thats due their individual and team success so not much we can do about that.The game is great the way it is and the points people are making should be considered for next year.
My team for Paris Nice is, on paper, very good and i didnt have to cut corners to get my team. However if you want an all singing all dancing team you cant so it means you have to sit and take the time and effort to organise your team properly.
cherrypicked
The removal of the rider
The removal of the rider categories from last year in combination with the lower point restriction is a big improvement on last year, but I think it can be improved further.There are no logical permanent rider categories.
–Team and rider goals change with each tour/stage and even on the day as opportunities arise. Star rider one day domestique the next. (Wiggins and Boasson Hagen rode for Porte at Volta ao Algarve; even Cavendish rides for others when the team objectives demand eg Qatar last year).
–There are a continuum of riders – there is no line that defines star and it is very fickle.Removing the 4/5 split gives more flexibility. This means people can end up selecting a wider variety of team. There would be more scope to pick up riders who are priced in the middle, particularly those who are labelled domestiques. It seems strage to have to pick ‘throwaway star riders’ in order to pick mid point range domestiques.
My understanding was that the limit of star riders is to make it so that you can’t just pick all the top riders. This is the case at any rate, with the point restriction.
Having said all this, the game is working as it is so there is no need to rush the removal of the star/domestique distinction in, but I would definitely like it for next year.
rjl
I like this fantasy cycling
I like this fantasy cycling game very much, even more than last year. However if it was possible, I could make some changes to get the game even much funnier (more flexible, funnier game…):1. Limit of a maximum of 4 star riders. But to be legal when you want to have only 3 or 2 stars, and 6 or 7 Ds.
2. I agree with cherrypicked “There are no logical permanent rider categories”. Andy Schleck could be star in Tour de France or Liege Bastogne Liege but not in Paris Roubaix, for example. Or Boonen a star in Paris Roubaix but not in Liege Bastogne Liege. However, I know it’s very difficult to update the categories every race.
Despite of all, the rules are the same for everyone, so there’s no problem at all.
letsgoup
I think we have started so
I think we have started so lets finish. The game is what it is and we wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t fun. It is fun and that’s what counts. I think on reflection it should stay as it is because then we all know the score from start to finish of the season. The game works and is fun and challenging, therefore WIN WIN. Who wants to start the thread for proposed changes in 2013 😕 (|:Wookster
All good here Dave, really
All good here Dave, really enjoying this years game except my mate is hammering me on every stage!!Wookster
All good here Dave, really
All good here Dave, really enjoying this years game except my mate is hammering me on every stage!!
dave atkinson
running sucks tho
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