get rid of the 4 star rider rule

dave_atkinson wrote:Given

dave_atkinson wrote:

Given that there’s no concensus on it being awful and needing to change, it’ll stay as it is. because that means i can put my feet up.

NO, you have a half marathon to be training for in a couple of weeks, get the joggers on and out for a….erm….jog 😀

I think it’s much better than
I think it’s much better than last year and I like it just as it is. I’ve played a fantasy cycling game where you just have a budget and pick 9 team members and I didn’t find it as much fun, partly because the budget was sufficient to buy 9 really good riders. I really like the fact that if you want the top riders then you have to look at the low value domestiques – who sometimes surprise by scoring a whole load of points you really weren’t expecting.

So keep yer feet up Dave!

Here’s my proposal…
Based
Here’s my proposal…

Based on:

JAndrewHill wrote:

… like fantasy footy where you have to juggle goalies, defenders, midfielders and forwards. It makes your team more realistics.

I would like to:

1. Limit the star rider pool of riders to:

A. At most 2 GC riders per team – in Sky’s case, for example, just Wiggins and Froome – and maybe have the additonal criteria that if they DIDN’T get a top 10 in one of the Grand Tours, they can’t be a GC Star Rider.

B. At most 2 Sprinters per team – and again – maybe limit them to people who got a top 10 finish in a Grand Tour mass sprint stage.

C. At most 2 AR’s per team – – and again – maybe limit them to people who got a top 10 finish in a Classics race.

2. ALL the rest of the riders, in my opinion, should be domestiques – or – AR’s – but pool them (the AR’s) with the domestiques so there’s no restriction in choosing as many as you want.

3. If you follow the criteria in Point No. 1 no professional team – like Sky, for example – team should have more than 6 Star Riders (Wiggins, Froome, Cavendish, Boassen Hagen, and maybe 2 others).

4. The Star Rider pool would then reflect if you’re a Star Rider in Grand Tours. To LabMonkeys’s point:

LabMonkey wrote:

… [There are] too many riders are now in the star rider category…

Gkam84 wrote:

…anyone who was a DS and did anything decent last year is now a “Star” rider, even though they will only ever be a DS in their real life team…

The point is, throughout the year, in other races, a rider may be a ‘Star Rider’, but in a Grand Tour, they’re a domestique. I think limiting the pool of Star Riders to a max of six per team – 2GC, 2 PC and 2 AR would give the game a more realistic feel and more flexibility.

In RadioShack for example:
2 GC – Andy Schleck and Frank Schleck
1 PC – Robert Wagner
1 AR – Tony Gallopin?
Domestiques – Chris Horner, Andreas Kloden, etc…

All that ends up happening is you resort the Star Rider pool and the Domestique pool to have more people available as Domestiques (or AR’s). The premise is you are only classified as a Star Rider if you are expected to perform in the Grand Tours as a leader for the GC or as a a candidate for the Green Jersey. Everyone else is a domestique – or an AR available in the Domestique pool.

Given that there’s no
Given that there’s no concensus on it being awful and needing to change, it’ll stay as it is. because that means i can put my feet up.

Yeah i don’t think it would
Yeah i don’t think it would the slightest bit of difference using any other system of doing it, you’d still get those who will not be happy.

I think the fact that there are only a few threads this year asking for things to be changed, shows that this works.

I’m just worried about picking for the Grand Tours as its going to be impossible to balance a team out without writing off a couple of spots to cheap guys.

I’m not after winning anything, i’m just hear for fun, the minute it doesn’t become fun, then i’ll stop playing, like i almost did in Oman X(

BUT for some reason, the same guys are creeping towards the top again and once they get a lead, thats it, we’re all in their wake 😕

As i said in another thread, i have a notepad this year, so i’m already ahead of my game last year :B 👿

Quote:If most of the team who

If most of the team who will be riding the Grand Tours are Stars

that’s possible with team sky and maybe a couple of other teams with a lot of riders in star categories, but then they have a lot of money and a lot of the top riders. it certainly won’t universally be the case. you can only pick two of them from any one team. anyway, if someone’s down as a star and you know they’re going to be working for another rider, you won’t pick them – you’ll pick someone else. so i can’t really see how it’s an issue. it’s not like you’ll be short of riders to choose.

some people prefer the colour
some people prefer the colour white, while others prefer black..
point is there will always be someone who wants something different.

there is no right or wrong.

i personally like it the way it is, if i didnt like it i wouldnt play….

letsgoup wrote:I like the new

letsgoup wrote:

I like the new structure but following TERatcliffe26 thread I think the budget is maybe set a bit low, I always seem to have to pick a throw away 2 credit DS to get the riders I actually want. I think 160 credits in the current format would be better or if there was to be a change to 5 star riders and 4 DS then maybe 175 credits. Any changes now would upset the stage high score learderboard though(which I am not on by the way).

The more credits you give,then the easier the game…On some stages those with knowhow would more or less pick the same team…At least with the 150 credits,the DS selections are vital and makes you gamble a little…But lets not forget that we are merely fantasising,those lycra clad super-humans still have to perform to the best of their sometimes temperamental abilities or else we are stuffed… 🙂