Right to be cynical about Sky

daddyELVIS wrote:stumps

daddyELVIS wrote:

stumps wrote:

So then an early exponent of the EPO test states that the low level of EPO in the sample is EITHER a problem with the kidneys or misuse of EPO. He CANNOT say it was entirely down to misuse can he ? No, he cant so where would that leave any prosecution, absolutely nowhere because they cannot prove beyond all doubt that Knaven misused drugs.

Its just a theory, just like because Nibali rides for Astana he must also be tainted by drug use blah blah blah.

Until irrefutable evidence comes to light that Knaven or any other rider, past or present, has misused drugs then its all just pie in the sky and in the thoughts of very gullible posters.

You are the gullible one! The words used in the article are ‘significant renal damage’. Have you studied the whole case surrounding the Knaven situation? If you do, then still believe in Sky’s ‘zero tolerance’, then your faith is blind!

Your having a laugh aren’t you ? I have studied the article and it DOES say that the expert CANNOT say for definite that it was EPO abuse and he goes on to say it could be caused by renal damage. So that leaves us absolutely nowhere other than the blood sample showed a low level of EPO and not how it came to be there.
As for being gullible i’m not the one who automatically believes every article written about Sky putting them down is correct beyond all doubt. Sky have had their faults, just look at Rogers, Yates etc but they have also been a victim of jealousy by writers, journo’s and other parties, which to you are all telling the truth.

Chapue it takes a bit of
Chapue it takes a bit of bottle to admit you read the Mail and even more to take what it says seriously 😉

On a serious note, just because sky say they are clean shouldn’t put them above suspicion though I would like believe in them :S

I completely agree with
I completely agree with PaulJ.

I want to commend Sky but we know that drug testing is miles behind so we cant use that as a reason to not be suspect about Sky?

As for Astana we should be angry about the doping, but we should also ask if Astana had/has organised doping how can clean riders (SKY?) be beating them? I realise Sky didn’t beat them in the TDF last year but Froome have.

The question is can a clean rider beat a doped rider? I don’t think so.

Leodis wrote:Haters will

Leodis wrote:

Haters will hate.

The report also says massive amounts of mamils are doping as well.

If have a few bevvies in the boozer is that doping ?

Nationalism in as much as Sky
Nationalism in as much as Sky have evolved from British Cycling who have been winning everything in sight for over a decade without ever falling foul of drugs tests? Brad and Froome showed “incredible” weight loss so they’re taking drugs that no-one’s discovered? Or perhaps they’re just not eating. What are you saying? If you want “smoke” there are plenty of teams out there with riders getting popped, criticise them. Brailsford’s riders have been riding at the very top level, tested frequently for over 12 years, and only J T-L has failed a drugs test, and that was discovered by, err Sky as a result of him coming in new and having to ride clean. Please find a point to argue or show some respect to 12 years of clean riding in the most tested cycling era ever and shut the f up until they cheat, your approach offends everyone who believes in clean riding

BL7 wrote:The last 2 posts

BL7 wrote:

The last 2 posts fully show the problem with cycling.

A known drug cheat, i.e. Contador announces he is going to quit. He shouldn’t even be in the peloton, never mind folk in the UK ‘celebrating’ his ability, his style, the exciting racing with him in it.’

You can’t moan about druggies, moan about Lance duping everyone on one hand, then claim Contador is a ‘legend’! Contador couldn’t hold Lance’s wheel, and they are both cheats. Does this mean that Armstrong too is a ‘legend’?

On one hand everyone wants a clean sport with no cheating. On the other, we want people like Contador to be ‘worshipped’, ‘celebrated’ and ‘encouraged’.

Double standards.

Until the viewers, the supporters, the sponsors, and eventually the governing body really get serious about dealing with these cheats in this sport, the tainted shadow will always follow it around. The people above who ‘support’ what Contador brings to this sport should think hard about what this really means.

I’d rather see Froome and Quintana chase each other up every hill, with Contador and his druggie pals all sitting with Lance in the naughty corner! Once a cheat, always a cheat!

I don’t moan about ‘druggies’ other than the ones that commit crime to fuel their habits. Elite sport is past saving, sad but true. Until they start giving life bans to everyone on a first offence it will never change. However you get life for murder and people still do it, so let’s be realistic, sport-money-humans = ‘whatever it takes attitudes’ including cheating. No matter what is happening in sport with drugs, and I mean all sports, you still have to have the ability, talent & commitment. Give me the finest coaches and ‘Dr’ in the world and I still ain’t winning nothing…
And yes, as a bike rider I do think Armstrong is a legend.