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  • March 9, 2015 at 1:05 pm #835259
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    700c

    We all have the right to be
    We all have the right to be cynical about any team in cycing, including SKY.

    Though it would seem to make more sense to focus most attention on those who have riders who have failed drugs test e.g Astana

    Subjecting SKY to particular criticism is a result of their zero tolerance policy which is to be expected, as they open themselves up to it. But it seems counter-intuitive to be MORE cynical of them than other teams, if this is what the OP is suggesting..

    I suspect it comes down to personal bias e.g views expressed by some people on here who struggle to remain objective because they don’t (or do) like team SKY

    March 9, 2015 at 8:37 am #835257
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    andyp

    no, no it doesn’t.
    no, no it doesn’t.

    March 9, 2015 at 7:11 am #835255
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    Leodis

    Haters will hate.
    The report
    Haters will hate.

    The report also says massive amounts of mamils are doping as well.

    March 8, 2015 at 11:50 pm #835253
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    fenix

    Ffs – stories from the Daily
    Ffs – stories from the Daily Mail indeed.

    Like they wouldn’t want to do down News International.

    Anyone who knows anything about cycling knows that the 90s were a dark time for the sport. All riders were guilty by association but not all guilty with actual proof. Knaven is only guilty of being a rider from that period

    March 8, 2015 at 9:34 pm #835251
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    rjfrussell

    crikey wrote:I don’t read the

    crikey wrote:
    I don’t read the Mail; see above.
    With a name like Servais Knaven, he’s obviously an untrustworthy foreign type and is probably implicated in the death of Princess Di too.

    I think you are confusing your right wing comics/ chip wrappers. It is the Express that is fixated on Di.

    March 8, 2015 at 7:16 pm #835249
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    glynr36

    ianrobo wrote:fukawitribe

    ianrobo wrote:
    fukawitribe wrote:
    Brailsford seems to rub some folk up the wrong way but that in itself doesn’t make them guilty of anything.

    apart from hypocrisy maybe, they set themselves up like this rather do what Garmin did and admit there was a problem and employ only those who are repentant, like Miller and Vaughters.

    Dekker wasn’t exactly repentant really, and Rasmussen? He just carried on while he was at Garmin.

    March 8, 2015 at 7:06 pm #835247
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    crikey

    There is a 3000 plus page
    There is a 3000 plus page thread on Cycling News Clinic forum about what Sky may or may not have done, and it is full to the brim with every doping related accusation regarding the team.
    This is not ‘news’…..

    (and if the Mail are covering it, it has as much credibility as elastic waisted trouser adverts…)

    March 8, 2015 at 6:25 pm #835245
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    exilegareth

    So SKY have asserted they
    So SKY have asserted they have had the data looked at three experts.
    The mail has asserted that there is a problem.
    Who should we believe?
    Right now, for me, SKY get the benefit of the doubt, and the Maildon’t, but SKY need to publish their analysis, or the tinfoil aero hat mob will keep baying at the moon.

    March 8, 2015 at 6:21 pm #835243
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    ianrobo

    fukawitribe wrote:Brailsford

    fukawitribe wrote:
    Brailsford seems to rub some folk up the wrong way but that in itself doesn’t make them guilty of anything.

    apart from hypocrisy maybe, they set themselves up like this rather do what Garmin did and admit there was a problem and employ only those who are repentant, like Miller and Vaughters.

    March 8, 2015 at 6:19 pm #835241
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    glynr36

    ianrobo wrote:glynr36

    ianrobo wrote:
    glynr36 wrote:
    It’s a non news story really.
    ’90s era rider now DS in 10’s might have doped’
    That would be all of them then?

    So when Sky sacked Yates they were wrong to do so ?

    Never said that, just that the usual monthly ‘revelation’ that a DS who rode in the 90’s may have doped is getting tedious.

    March 8, 2015 at 5:14 pm #835239
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    fukawitribe

    ianrobo wrote:Thing is with

    ianrobo wrote:
    Thing is with this if this was happened at say Astana or another foreign team would people still be putting up the same defence ?

    If that team had tried to take an explicit stance against doping such as Sky, and had been as open with the relevant authorities with their data and testing regimes then yes – I think most would, or should.

    Sky have made mistakes, they’ve even admitted some of them, but they also seem to be one of the teams that are at least trying to do something decent. Their racing may be have been dull as dish-water for long periods of time but I have quite a bit of time for their regulatory behaviour. Brailsford seems to rub some folk up the wrong way but that in itself doesn’t make them guilty of anything.

    March 8, 2015 at 4:54 pm #835237
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    ianrobo

    stumps wrote:
    Also how far

    stumps wrote:

    Also how far can we go in believing that these results ever existed and were not “hung” over the heads of cyclists with the promise to not worry as they were never going to be prosecuted. “

    Think we can and we all await the CIRC report apparently tomorrow to see if they point the fingers.

    Thing is with this if this was happened at say Astana or another foreign team would people still be putting up the same defence ?

    March 8, 2015 at 4:02 pm #835235
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    Stumps

    So an expert has looked at a
    So an expert has looked at a urine sample supplied and has ruled that it contains x, y and z, fair enough. Was the B sample ever tested in either the blood or urine ?

    Also how far can we go in believing that these results ever existed and were not “hung” over the heads of cyclists with the promise to not worry as they were never going to be prosecuted.

    Also the reply by Sky speaks volumes and they have come back at the allegations instead of making no comment.

    “We have taken these allegations very seriously. In the limited time we have had, we have done everything possible to investigate them. More importantly we handed over the information presented to us to three independent world-class anti-doping experts for their analysis and expert opinion.

    ‘Their view on the basis of what has been presented to us is that there is no proof of doping and Servais continues to maintain his innocence. We would be happy to share these findings with any other anti-doping agency”

    March 8, 2015 at 3:47 pm #835233
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    Gkam84

    bashthebox wrote:Gkam84

    bashthebox wrote:
    Gkam84 wrote:

    Sky needs to go through an Astana style audit by the UCI, THEN and only then should they be given any trust, at the moment. I wouldn’t trust them at all with their closed doors policy

    This may be the most mind-numbingly stupid thing I’ve seen you write.
    At no point have Sky ever been accused of any doping – not beyond the tin-foil hatted twitterati – there’s been no positive tests, no suspicion of covered up positive tests, and no evidence of any doping. The closest we get is their top riders performing close to an arbitrary limit of human ability, which is either evidence of top athletes at the top of their game, or average athletes taking a load of banned substances. Seeing as Sky are one of the very top teams and have a roster of supremely talented athletes, which is most likely?
    Astana had several athletes busted for doping, and worked with banned doctor Michele Ferrari, and their manager is completely unrepentant and corrupt Alex Vino.
    Sky hired a few people who may or may not have doped back in the days when every fucker was doping. I repeat, it’s almost impossible to find a suitable DS who has no link to some sort of doping in the past 20 years.
    So you see how the two teams are different? Do you see how one team deserves a thorough investigation and going over, and one team doesn’t?

    Jesus…..Sky fan…MUCH.

    I think every team should go through the audit, not just Sky, I never said they were the same as Astana either.

    All world tour teams should go through an audit every year. Weed out the arseholes that are continually bring the sport down

    March 8, 2015 at 3:37 pm #835231
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    mrmo

    Yorkshie Whippet wrote:I just

    Yorkshie Whippet wrote:
    I just don’t get the witch hunt. Young cyclist trying to make it big are told to dope or otherwise in the 1990s. Are held to account by a newshack some twenty years ago.

    Maybe the Mail should look into football/ snooker and recreational drug us/ drinking that happened in the 60’s and later. I’m sure there’s a few skeletons. Hell why should they kill that golden goose? Instead they go and try to destroy another sport they don’t cover.

    oh it is very simple, look druggies over there. Suits the footballers, the rugby players, track and field etc. They get to carry on with the doping whilst the media gets their stories. How would it look if Beckham was outed as abusing steroids, or blood doping? Only have to wonder why Italy and Spain have been so reticent to go after footballers when plenty of evidence exists in both cases.

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