Sergio Henao suspended by sky

farrell wrote:Crosshouses

farrell wrote:

Crosshouses wrote:

From ‘Domestique’ by Charlie Wegelius, ” The problem was mostly that, as a test for banned performance enhancing drugs, the 50% haematocrit was a ridiculous value. A person’s haematocrit goes up and down all the time.

….It was so crude and basic and the figure of 50% might as well have been plucked right out of thin air. A lot of scientific literature puts 53% or 54% amongst the normal limits.”

And if you were a good rider who’s natural level was quite low anyway….

Wegelius makes that point also, he devotes a chapter of his book to the subject and I didn’t want to quote all of it!

As an aside, I found it
As an aside, I found it amusing that people like Jonathan Vaughters, David Millar and David Walsh, people who have previously been held up on a pedestal by the twitter and blogger trolls, are now accused of hypocrisy and lying. Walsh, especially, seems to have come under fire for daring to spend a season with Sky and not find any evidence whatsoever of doping. Walsh, who risked his entire career on exposing Armstrong and doping in cycling. To think that he’d do a 180 degree turn and be complicit with a team doping – well, it just boggles the mind.
The trolls will only listen to Kimmage, for Kimmage will always accuse everyone of doping.

Of course there is doping in the peloton still, but cycling is working incredibly hard to get rid of it. There’s not a single sport out there to rival the anti doping stance cycling now has.
Someone posted a list of times for the Pogio climb in MSR last week – the difference in times between the period of 1990-2006 and 2007-present day was stark. We’re looking at an average of 6 mins during the heavy EPO era, and nearer to 7 minutes now. This is for the lead group – so, the riders most likely to be doped going over it first and fastest.

Reading between the lines of
Reading between the lines of the statements from Sky I suspect the Columbian anti-doping procedures are going to be brought into question as a cause of the abnormal readings…

I’ll attempt to ignore your
I’ll attempt to ignore your unwarranted thrust of sarcasm and insults and answer this as coherently as possible. As you’ve obviously a chip on your shoulder of some sorts for whatever reason.

So let me get the list right, you want my results, Cavs, Petes, Annas..oh and Swifty’s – anyone else? I’ll get those in the post to you RIGHT away, as obviously my little brain would be too twisted by all those complicated numbers and chemical details and so your in depth expert analysis would be the obvious route here. British Cycling and the UCI obviously don’t know what they’re talking about..SO, do tell us, when you receive these results, what exactly are you going to do with them? What’s your process for analysis here? I’m genuinely intrigued!

My mind is open, I haven’t once closed down your argument other than issuing a “face palm” which was a direct reaction to your own bigoted and quite frankly disturbingly insulting answer regarding my friends. You really think I’m going to be open to debating with someone who takes personal digs at something they don’t know anything about?? Come on. Wise up.

On the subject of Henao and your well Googled tribesfolk – they *would* need to suspend him if his numbers are “a little funny” – it’s not a black and white guilty/not guilty scenario. Sky operate a strict policy whereby if there are any discrepancies, be it negative or not (and in this instances no accusation of doping has actually occurred – do bear that in mind), are suspended until further analysis and proof by governing and medical bodies is provided. This is the case for a large number of professional and domestic teams nowadays. It’s not really smoke and mirrors at all, it doesn’t matter if Henao’s genetic details lie with an indigenous tribespeople or if he’s simply a guy who lives at the top of a hill, the point is he lives on the top of a hill and that’s what needs scientific investigation, which is absolutely a good thing. Neither you or I know the gritty details of his blood values other than “they’re a bit off” – as such it’s not our place to decide whether or not his location or geneitcs or down right cheating come in to play until we have more information.

No one said women’s cycling was clean, don’t put words in our mouths please. Yes she was young, that’s still no statistical evidence to back up your claim that all kids are “on it”. I refute your previous statements on this to be honest, as you do not (apparently) spend time with these people, their parents, or even attend the same events under the same regulations as them. How can you possibly judge me, or my friends, if you have no experience of what you’re talking about?

If you’re doping at an amateur level as a teenager OR an adult, you have only your own life to watch fail as you cannot benefit from EPO or other similar drugs if you are not at the top of your peak, if you have been riding a bike for two years and train for 5 hours a week – taking EPO will not work. It destroys your body and for a child to take it is essentially career suicide. It won’t help them. There is no point, and quite frankly I don’t know any 16 year old that would be able to afford it. There are always exceptional cases, please don’t cite these as backup to made up statistics.

You can be as twitchy as you like but there are many different factors in blood testing that you are obviously ignoring, a super high haemocrit might not be what they’ve found. Do forgive me if I’ve missed their whitepaper on the matter but I’m pretty sure they’ve not released the numbers of the test yet?

I’m not sure why you seem to think I’m some sort of avid Sky fan, must be that chip on your shoulder. I’m sticking up for a sport which is being tarnished by your conspiracy theories, oh yes, OF COURSE I must be a delusional fangirl!!

How much do I think gets allocated to testing? Not enough. How much do I think your questioning how much I trust this process is a piss poor debate tactic? Enough. Again, your quick biased Googling methods aren’t really grounds for refuting this either. Do you follow WADA, or the UCI or pro riders around all year or something?

Hope this neutral explanation of my opinion doesn’t twist your dead set brain, my apologies for my inability to agree with your theories, I just can’t, because you don’t know these people, you don’t know the sport and most importantly you obviously do not care.

Next up, conversations on chemtrails and what the government are doing to control our minds….

Haha, you were right mate,
Haha, you were right mate, but yeah….never mess with a Moo on a Monday is all I’m saying! 😛

All it was missing was a
All it was missing was a 70’s-style Batman pic complete with “KABLAM!” caption.

There was me thinking that Mooleur’s “Face. Palm.” post was basically a way of bowing out of the argument becuase she couldn’t be arsed arguing with a brick wall. You came back with a vengeance there, no?! :))

Oh and to cite on the fact
Oh and to cite on the fact that you’re wrong, just to cover myself here.. a) you’re calling me out for being bigoted by way of having an opinion that YOU don’t agree with is, well, bigotry in itself and b) I am not a shower, I can send you pictures if you like.

OH, and to add – “Patriotic Sky Fan Club” – get real, mate, firstly I’m not English and I don’t live in the UK, I’m also not a “fan” of any team – I don’t even watch male professional cycling unless there are people I know taking part – quite frankly I find it boring (no offence) and debate on the subject always seems to be surrounded with idiots who think a good ride equates to doping….oh waiiiiiiit.