Sergio Henao suspended by sky

Well, we learnt one thing
Well, we learnt one thing from this thread; Mr Peyresourde found out that you can like your own posts on here.

I’m pretty much done with it
I’m pretty much done with it to be honest, giving a constructive reply seems to prove as futile as throwing around childish insults anyway! 😛

I call Godwins Law. Colin, you’re a big silly doping Nazi.

Personally I don’t see why we
Personally I don’t see why we should trust any of them and I don’t. Trust is something you earn and they haven’t earned it by a long shot. They’d be more trust worthy if they actually finger pointed each other and kept it clean that way. But no one talks do they.

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And you’re an arse.
And you’re an arse. 🙂

mooleur, i totally agree, its
mooleur, i totally agree, its called trust and we have to learn to move on regardless of how bad things were.

Thanks for finally engaging,
Thanks for finally engaging, and I mean that sincerely. There is truth in much of what you have said and I may be wrong – at the centre of this is really whether we have faith in our sportsmen and women (no disrespect – I think the domestic English cycling scene is not as corrupt as the European – I cannot say ‘clean’, but I do not see it being the same den of doping that predominated in Belgium and the Netherlands).

I am afraid I am too long in the tooth to just accept what I hear from Sky. Uran Uran and Henao both raised my suspicions with their performances in the previous Giro D’Italia’s so this is a ‘proof positive’ for me. It probably doesn’t take much these days. But having read around the subject (unless one has access to insider knowledge, which almost predicates that you’re doping then you’re not likely to know, even anti-dopers don’t know what the dopers are doing) suspicion is almost as good a detector as we have – but obviously that doesn’t meet the legal requirements of a court case (hence having a standard for hematocrit we can’t humanly hope to achieve).

Denigrate me if you will, but I watched Lemond and Hinault, I watched Lemond and Laurent Fignon, and then thought I saw the best cyclist in the world Indurain (maybe he is), but watched it all fall apart with Pantani, Festini and co. When Armstrong came on the scene he came to represent everything that was wrong with cycling. He was clearly doping, he was clearly controlling the sport in a way that doesn’t happen – we delapidate from repeated stress, we break, weaken and suffer in ways we cannot adequately control and Armstrong never did any of that.

He went away and came back – the system changed we heard, but still he rode. Contador, Schleck….both implicated, both denied. We are supposed to think that things have changed, but they don’t feel like they have. While I think dopers don’t dope as much, the evidence is that they still do and get away with it.

I still watch the sport and follow avidly, I watch and every race or match is tinged with an umbra of drugs. I watch most most sports that way – my other half sees why, but does not think things are as bad as I. But in a world where we continue to ‘guarantee’ our winners, where budgets count more than talent, where the vagaries of the human body rarely seem to decide a ride /match (though cycling rarely throws up a guaranteed winner in a single day race) I do not get astounded at the outcomes.

I hope the latest tests can get to the heart of the doping. I hope it helps break the ring. But until we have more convictions and understand the actualities of doping I will find such anomalies a high likelihood of wrong doing.