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ktache wrote:

So Norway is polluting our groundwater by piping gas under the North sea?

What really grinds my gears is all the pollution that The Sun produces and all we get is a tiny bit of solar energy.

Darren C wrote:

 

It's a shame that both can't get along, and being so close to each other too. I dread to think what could happen when you pass each other on the road! 

Is there friction between GCN and road.cc? Tell me more! I do love a bit of gossip.

simonmb wrote:

Darren C wrote:

It's a shame that both can't get along, and being so close to each other too. I dread to think what could happen when you pass each other on the road! 

Is there friction between GCN and road.cc? Tell me more! I do love a bit of gossip.

Oooo - panniers at dawn! 

mylesrants wrote:

the Ineos trolling is unreal. They are no worse than BP and a hell of a lot better thn Esso or shell with the human rights record in Africa. If they encourage MILLIONS, millions world wide to ride bikes and take less car journeys, their investment in our sport will be fantastic and good for the planet.

I am now only listening to Ineos voices of descent from Vegetarian, non car owners who dont heat their houses with gas or oil.

IF you do any of the above or have been on a plane...YOU, WE are the problem

Caveat: I'm an omnivore and I take the bike/ trailer/ kids' seat over the car whenever possible. My electricity and gas supplier is one of the greenest available.

I consider possibly contaminating the water table gets special treatment.  They don't have to do a Deepwater Horizon to deserve flack.  I also spend my time casting scorn over several car organisations pro cycling safety websites.

Will they encourage more cycling? Hopefully, but that makes them a grain opf sand less destructive. Are new cyclists carbon offsets for them?

NPlus1BikelightsNJerseys wrote:

mylesrants wrote:

the Ineos trolling is unreal. They are no worse than BP and a hell of a lot better thn Esso or shell with the human rights record in Africa. If they encourage MILLIONS, millions world wide to ride bikes and take less car journeys, their investment in our sport will be fantastic and good for the planet.

I am now only listening to Ineos voices of descent from Vegetarian, non car owners who dont heat their houses with gas or oil.

IF you do any of the above or have been on a plane...YOU, WE are the problem

Caveat: I'm an omnivore and I take the bike/ trailer/ kids' seat over the car whenever possible. My electricity and gas supplier is one of the greenest available.

I consider possibly contaminating the water table gets special treatment.  They don't have to do a Deepwater Horizon to deserve flack.  I also spend my time casting scorn over several car organisations pro cycling safety websites.

Will they encourage more cycling? Hopefully, but that makes them a grain opf sand less destructive. Are new cyclists carbon offsets for them?

^ This.

NPlus1BikelightsNJerseys wrote:

mylesrants wrote:

the Ineos trolling is unreal. They are no worse than BP and a hell of a lot better thn Esso or shell with the human rights record in Africa. If they encourage MILLIONS, millions world wide to ride bikes and take less car journeys, their investment in our sport will be fantastic and good for the planet.

I am now only listening to Ineos voices of descent from Vegetarian, non car owners who dont heat their houses with gas or oil.

IF you do any of the above or have been on a plane...YOU, WE are the problem

Caveat: I'm an omnivore and I take the bike/ trailer/ kids' seat over the car whenever possible. My electricity and gas supplier is one of the greenest available.

I consider possibly contaminating the water table gets special treatment.  They don't have to do a Deepwater Horizon to deserve flack.  I also spend my time casting scorn over several car organisations pro cycling safety websites.

Will they encourage more cycling? Hopefully, but that makes them a grain opf sand less destructive. Are new cyclists carbon offsets for them?

Fracking in the UK is less polluting than transporting energy to the UK from around the world.

Get over your virtue signalling and enjoy the cycling.

(And BTW, yep we're vegan, completely organic and biodegradable household)

mylesrants wrote:

the Ineos trolling is unreal. They are no worse than BP and a hell of a lot better thn Esso or shell with the human rights record in Africa. If they encourage MILLIONS, millions world wide to ride bikes and take less car journeys, their investment in our sport will be fantastic and good for the planet.

I am now only listening to Ineos voices of descent from Vegetarian, non car owners who dont heat their houses with gas or oil.

IF you do any of the above or have been on a plane...YOU, WE are the problem

I agree.

Anticipate some flack, the readership of road.cc is predominantly left and green and woke and they expect everybody to agree with them.

(By the way, "voices of dissent", not "descent". Took me a while to work it out. )

FrankH wrote:

(By the way, "voices of dissent", not "descent". Took me a while to work it out. )

That should diffuse the situation.

I'm beginning to suspect that some people are using some rather poor dictation software, or have impenetrable accents.

mylesrants wrote:

the Ineos trolling is unreal. They are no worse than BP and a hell of a lot better thn Esso or shell with the human rights record in Africa. If they encourage MILLIONS, millions world wide to ride bikes and take less car journeys, their investment in our sport will be fantastic and good for the planet.

I am now only listening to Ineos voices of descent from Vegetarian, non car owners who dont heat their houses with gas or oil.

IF you do any of the above or have been on a plane...YOU, WE are the problem

Neatly side-stepping the real issues.

Just as every law-abiding cyclist gets told "you lot don't pay road tax, you all jump red lights and ride on pavements" to justify abuse and close passes.

And just like the Daily Mail shouts about benefit fraud as a serious crime while tax evasion is legitimate efficiency, it's all the fault of the little people.

More and more people are realising that significant change is needed now. Some of them may fly, drive and eat meat but don't criminalise them and avoid addressing the elephant in the room.

By far the most determined resistance comes from those who have benefitted the most from the way our economy works, the 1%. They influence government policy far more than voters and they do not care even a tiny bit about the environment or our futures. Not. One. Bit.

https://slate.com/technology/2018/10/who-is-we-causing-climate-change.html

The Conservative government froze the Fuel Duty in 2010, costing us £46bn in lost revenue; it withdrew support for renewables  then what alternatives are there to gas CH? I didn't want them to do either of those things.

Between 1980 and 2016, the cost of bus and coach travel rose by 64% and rail travel by 63%, whilst the cost of motoring dropped 20%. Cycling infrastructure is beyond pathetic while new-build housing still rarely gets useable access except for cars. So is it a surprise that so many people drive? When councils like mine cut public transport budgets every year while spending millions on plans to build even more roads, what do you expect people to do?

mylesrants wrote:

the Ineos trolling is unreal. They are no worse than BP and a hell of a lot better thn Esso or shell with the human rights record in Africa. If they encourage MILLIONS, millions world wide to ride bikes and take less car journeys, their investment in our sport will be fantastic and good for the planet.

I am now only listening to Ineos voices of descent from Vegetarian, non car owners who dont heat their houses with gas or oil.

IF you do any of the above or have been on a plane...YOU, WE are the problem

This is _so_ weak as an argument.  First off - 'if they encourage....blah blah' is easily dispensed with, becuase there's absolutely no evidence to suggest they will do any such thing, that's just some nonsense you made up.

As for the next bit - that's the usual excuse for opposing anyone doing anything.  It's nonsense-on-stilts.  You provide no supporting argument to justify it, so I'm chucking that out as well (though I'm a non car-owner who hasn't taken a flight for decades and rarely have my heating on, so there).

That 'we are the problem' crap is just not true.  The problem requires collective, large-scale, political action, individual lifestyle choices won't achieve anything, that sort of talk is mostly a pretext for not wanting anything to change.