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Live blog: Belgium’s word of the year? “Murderstrip” – a painted bike lane, pump track cycle lane, Geraint Thomas the Grogg + more
After the BBC’s blunder of editing out G’s Welsh flag as he celebrates his TDF victory, national pride is restored after we spotted that he’s proving so popular as a Grogg you’ll have to wait five months for one!
Tue, Dec 18, 2018 17:01
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Simon joined road.cc as news editor in 2009 and is now the site’s community editor, acting as a link between the team producing the content and our readers. A law and languages graduate, published translator and former retail analyst, he has reported on issues as diverse as cycling-related court cases, anti-doping investigations, the latest developments in the bike industry and the sport’s biggest races. Now back in London full-time after 15 years living in Oxford and Cambridge, he loves cycling along the Thames but misses having his former riding buddy, Elodie the miniature schnauzer, in the basket in front of him.
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sheridan 7 minutes ago
@This Wreckage You must have missed that story about a park which has a cycle park with no (legal by byelaw) entry. Hint - it wasn't in London.
sheridan 14 minutes ago
@DS2025 It does make the club look rubbish, if I hadn't had time to have a look in the comments today I'd have been left with a bad impression of the club. Journalism is supposed to involve checking source, researching and following up leads - I presume this article was written by a reader as an opinion piece and not a paid journalist?
Rendel Harris 47 minutes ago
@brogs Five years to reply to a comment must be some sort of record. It's a shame that it's absolute nonsense then. Most drivers believe they are more skilful than they are (surveys have demonstrated that up to 93% of drivers believe their driving is better than average) and have an attitude that they are safe at speeds at which they are not. That's why we have speed limits. With 35 million or so drivers in the country it's both hopeless and ridiculous to say "let's not bother with speed limits, let's change skills and attitudes", it's not going to happen and drivers have consistently proved that they are not sufficiently responsible to behave in a safe manner, that's why they need restrictions. Seriously, "speeding kills nobody it's simply the act of exceeding a number on a sign", tell that to the parents who lose their child because they were hit by somebody driving at 30 mph in a 20 mph zone so didn't have time to stop when the child unexpectedly ran into the street.
mdavidford 1 hour ago
I can tell you those are already happening with alarming frequency. Probably less likely to be experienced by those who do most of their running in parks, though, so I'm not sure how they're relevant here.
brogs 2 hours ago
@polainm responding to tone is a waste of your time and mine. If you have an argument, I'm happy to respond.
brogs 2 hours ago
@Rendel Harris inappropriate speed is the better term. This comes from poor skills and attitudes. 93mph on a clear motorway kills nobody. 65mph in bunched traffic with poor observation, distracted, following too closely, no escape route planning etc etc kills many. Speeding kills nobody. It's simply the act of exceeding a number on a sign. Skills and attitudes lead to setting a safe speed, which is the concept to focus on. This is what saves the lives of cyclists.
Pub bike 8 hours ago
If anyone reading this article is looking for reasonable alternatives Decathlon sell a range of bum bags including one with a bottle holder that comes with the bottle all of which are less than £20. I've got a bum bag I bought a few years ago to replace a North Face bum bag that has lasted really well including commuting and cycle touring that was only £10 and that doesn't seem to have any of the drawbacks of the pack on review.
Pub bike 8 hours ago
@Borisface The frameset is similarly priced to e.g. Condor aluminium framesets such as Italia RC Integrato so it doesn't look too far off the mark. Obviously if you dress any old frame up with Campag Record 13 wireless and some decent wheels the final price is going to be somewhere north of £5k.
VecchioJo 9 hours ago
@Freddy56 @hotspanners Hi, just for for starters I didn’t boycott the race, if you read to the end of the article you’d have seen that I decided I was going to attend and try and implement a positive change… Just for clarity, if it helps with the credibility of my words and something I didn’t include in the blog for brevity and fear of willy-waving here’s an incomprehensive list of cycle events I’ve helped organise over the years - all Brighton Big Dog MTB events (about 12 i think), three league CX races and one Singlespeed CX Euro Champs (niche, i know), a few SAMS MTB races - maybe three or four it was a while back now, a Morvelo City Cross, I’ve stood on a corner in a high-vis vest at quite a few MTB, CX and road races too, and just helped wind up tape at last weekend’s CX race. I’ve also had the privilege to design logos, draw images, and create one-off pieces of artwork and give away prints as prizes for enough races and events for me to forget how many, all for free as part of ‘doing my bit’… Also if you made it through to the second half of the article you’ll have read that I have every sympathy for event organisers because of the experience of all the above and also from having conversations with various organisers on a regular basis so I am acutely aware of all the challenges faced. I chatted today with the future local CX race organiser mentioned, face to face in a field, and he has a similar hatred of AI and is more than happy for me to create a hand-drawn image to promote that race and also help out on the ground where possible… Might even draw a duck in there somewhere for giggles…
Rendel Harris 11 hours ago
@Borisface Not entirely sure why some alleged good times set in the last century validate the silliness and ignorance of your rejection on the grounds of materials and weight of a bike that the reviewer (who, if you look at his bio above, has rather a lot of experience himself, not only of riding bikes but of engineering too) describes as "absolute perfection in every aspect". Thanks for the unrequested permission but I'm not actually looking to spend 6k on a bike at the moment; if I was, on the basis of this review and the photographs I'd certainly be putting this on my shortlist and looking for a test ride. But then in this area at least I have an open mind, you see.
22 thoughts on “Live blog: Belgium’s word of the year? “Murderstrip” – a painted bike lane, pump track cycle lane, Geraint Thomas the Grogg + more”
So other police forces
So other police forces responded and said they would take action, but is there anything from the Met?
The BBC was best described as “where the truth comes to die.” Removing the flag is crass.
burtthebike wrote:
I’m hoping that the Met aren’t commenting because they’re dealing with the driver.
The BBC is truly a disgrace – it’s supposed to be “British”, not English.
burtthebike wrote:
— burtthebikeDisagree. Removing the SKY logo was crass.
Removing Geraint’s flag is deeply offensive.
Good of the WMP to emphasise
Good of the WMP to emphasise ‘if it were on our patch’ – puts the onus on the Met to treat JV and other London commuters fairly.
Re G and the flag – a bit antagonistic, given some people’s sensitivity, but you coulld argue that it looks better aesthetically for their purposes – it looks a bit ‘busy’ with the dragon directly behind his head. The removal of the Sky logo on the other hand just smacks of petty rivalry!
Why is is always so
Why is is always so predictable:
Cyclist: I was almost killed
Some idiot: Ye, well what about cyclists that run red lights?
Cyclist: Drivers run red lights too/speed/put more road users at risk
Idiot: Were not talking about that. We are talking about cyclists!
I got in to one of these arguments at work the other day. Apparently it is totally acceptable to stand in the middle of the office bitching loudly about cyclists running a red light at the end of the road, but I’m being rude when I butt in to point out that its because drivers also ignore the light, stop in the ASL and cut the corner (It’s left only for cars and a crossroads for cyclists. I have seen cyclists hit there) and cycists feel unsafe stopping there. Still bitter about that.
John Smith wrote:
Don’t waste your time being bitter. Gammon’s gonna Gammon.
John Smith wrote:
Like pretty much every local paper story that mentions a cyclist, and is used as an excuse to talk not about the story in question but “about this one time, there was this one cyclist, and he did something I don’t agree with, and another time I saw this other cyclist who…, and another time…”.
John Smith wrote:
Get a new job. It sounds like you work with a bunch of morons.
That’s pretty embarrasing by
That’s pretty embarrasing by the BBC.
BBC removed the Sky logo
BBC removed the Sky logo because one of their core sports didntd win POTY. It’s infuriating for them that these bally cyclists keep winning when our other national teams have won nothing this year.
They don’t give road cycling any coverage in their sports reports, apart from the mearest mention when G,Yates or Froome win a stage. This despite the UK public loving road cycling, witness the crowds by the roadside during major events, and ITV4s viewing figures for the TDF and Vuelta.
But give them a cycling scandal and it’s all hands to the pumps
maviczap wrote:
Brushing out the SKY logo is the least of the BBC’s problems in that photo, byt.
maviczap wrote:
I was trying not to mention the BBC’s 30 year helmet campaign that breaks every rule in their own Editorial Guidelines, but you made me do it! And they have endless programmes about obesity and always, but always, blame it solely on diet, and never, but never, ever mention the single most effective way of treating it; cycling.
Ergo, they hate cyclists.
From what I can see the Flag
From what I can see the Flag was removed from the picture that was used in promotions prior to the votes for SPOTY, just as the union flag was removed from the picture used for Lizzie Yarnold, it’s not about Celt bashing but a clumsy attempt at reducing the “vote for the one from my part of the country”
As a Scot I’m not suddenly getting upset that no Scots were in the short list this year, though I do get annoyed by the amout of Football drivel on the show (mostly because I love nearly all sport but really really dislike football and this country’s obsession with it)
EK Spinner wrote:
Missed this earlier. So why not use a different picture of Thomas? There are surely lots to choose from.
Merely the possibility that the editing was politically motivated is disconcerting. Or perhaps some of us are interpreting it has having a particular meaning when there is none.
Football drivel is a staple of British sports media. It sells newspapers and website clicks and it’s not hard to find a pundit as any dimwit can spout about footie.
Are there Scottish athletes / sportspeople / hoofball celebrities that should be on the list? I don’t follow sports other than those with 2 or 3 wheels so wouldn’t have a clue. TBH the programme is a backslapping exercise and of no relevance to anything else. Its only merit is in showcasing people from less popular sports. Cycling surely isn’t one of those now but I can’t imagine what that must have been like when Tom Simpson won spoty.
I don’t get it? Morrissey isn
I don’t get it? Morrissey isn’t Welsh.
See 59 wrote:
Now you’ve pointed that out…I actually laughed out loud when I went back to look what you meant!
Perhaps the JV footage should have a Smiths soundtrack “…and if a double decker bus, crashes into us…”)
Either way, at least he’s a Sports Personality who actually HAS a personality for once!
The tarmac hasn’t risen up
The tarmac hasn’t risen up between the concrete blocks, it has been laid on top of the original flat tarmac so that pedestrians can easily get up to the road. It would have been extremely difficult with a wheelchair/buggie or any kind of disablement to get onto the road. Looks hideous, is probably dangerous for cyclists and demonstrates the complete lack of forethought by the planners.
You don’t say where it is, but it’s kind of comforting to realise that it isn’t just UK planners who can screw up so utterly royally. Kind of.
No experienced planner would have done this, but it seems that the raw planners, straight out of college, are given the pedestrian/cycling schemes, so we keep getting results like this. Experience is what you get when you make a mistake, but after they’ve got some experience they are promoted, and the next school-leaver gets to practice on the cyclists/pedestrians, and the cycle continues. When I used to go to meetings with the local planners, I often wondered why poor little amateur me seemed to know more about planning for cyclists than the professionals and eventually worked out that I had read the books and the planning documents, they’d just spent a couple of years at college talking statistics and getting pissed.
Reminds me a little of the
Reminds me a little of the cycle lane on Sealand Road heading towards Chester, running across all of the dropped kerbs for the drives to each house.
Tommytrucker wrote:
My thought exactly.
Murderstrip, I get that.
Murderstrip, I get that.
I just love the bluntness of
I just love the bluntness of the Belgians….
Chris Hayes wrote:
I was in a relatively small Belgian town (Dendermonde) on a business trip last week. The place was absolutely teeming with cyclists who have priority most places and the “protection” of presumed liability laws. Driving round with a local four things were noticeable:
It’s an odd mix and I can see why they’re called murder strips. It felt like around town the average driving speed was over 30mph, or certainly higher than it is in a UK town. The strips are narrow, and most cyclists are getting it done too, even on hybrids and dutch bikes. So plenty of overtaking in narrow cycle lanes alongside fast traffic, and most kids cycle to school.
Looking at the stats fatalities are between 73 & 90 deaths per year since 2011. Couldn’t find anything on fatalities per km travelled but clearly Les Belges cycle more for utility than we do.