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Drivers and their problems

A new catch-all Tea Shop thread for those miscellaneous new stories that don't quite fit with parking, crashing into buildings or trapped/prisoners in their homes. 

If you're new please join in and if you have questions pop them below and the forum regulars will answer as best we can.

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David9694 replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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You never hear traders say "so many people around here spending their last few £££s running a car they can't really afford - if only they took the £2 bus, they would have more to spend with us here". 

How the Camborne traders will miss the people moaning in a national "newspaper" about paying a couple of quid to park a car. 

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David9694 replied to essexian | 1 year ago
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And with all that medical stuff going on,she's A-OK to drive her massive panzer.

If only there was some mechanism that would allow her to realise its economic value in favour of something more suitable.

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David9694 replied to essexian | 1 year ago
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Standard driver "I was only...", "I was just...", "I've done nothing wrong", " it's a money making scam" etc

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ktache replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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A failsafe system?

Running out of power when parked on a hill?

Similar I guess to the application of brakes when there is a loss of pressure on artic trailers and train carriages.

But the Tesla incident is just amusing, because it probably delayed emergency vehicles and prevented people getting to vital hospital appointments and funerals shouldn't we just ban the things...

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essexian replied to David9694 | 1 year ago
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David9694 wrote:

The Bath parking charges? 

Yep. Sorry I could have been clearer in my reply. 

And thanks for taking the time to post these links. (add thumbs up icon here).

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hawkinspeter replied to ktache | 1 year ago
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ktache wrote:

A failsafe system?

Running out of power when parked on a hill?

Similar I guess to the application of brakes when there is a loss of pressure on artic trailers and train carriages.

But the Tesla incident is just amusing, because it probably delayed emergency vehicles and prevented people getting to vital hospital appointments and funerals shouldn't we just ban the things...

Supposedly, the handbrake should be run off a separate 12v battery, so there's some strange failure that took out main power and that system too. It's a strange failsafe as the main brakes are hydraulic, so even without power on a hill, you can have the driver keep the car still while someone puts bricks under the wheels to act as a handbrake.

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David9694 replied to essexian | 1 year ago
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Ah, the long-since broken RCC threading. And thank-you. 

Curious isn't it, over the past few years central funding to local authorities has been decimated and meaningful parking charges are one of the results - from the "on the side of the motorist" Tories, no less. 

I think the idea here is right, but we'll soon be into " this tariff 'confuses drivers' " territory.  I'd always say keep it (brutally) simple, with little or no scope for drivers, in the hope of saving themselves a few pence, to argue the toss.  

I don't see how traders are so worried about (and councils bending over backwards to accommodate) the loss of a few shoppers who are running some old rustheap and are seriously blanching at paying a few quid to park it. 

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ktache replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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I was thinking more power drain when left, there must be some.

Or proper ejit territory, letting the main battery run down, but still putting the heatin/AC on before getting backnto the car.

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wycombewheeler replied to essexian | 1 year ago
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it boils my er, liquid when people think that they can part anywhere for free: this is what this lady was trying to do for the five minutes free parking she tried to steak.

Is it 5 minutes free parking? If the charge is £4 for "all day", then whether I pay that one minute, ten minutes or even two hours after entering the car park, the same payment is made.

If someone is paying for one hour and pays 10 minutes after entering the car park, then arguably they have gained free minutes, but all day is all day

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essexian replied to wycombewheeler | 1 year ago
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Its £4 for 12 hours, not all day. There is a higher charge for all day (in other words, 24 hour) parking.

Hence my point. 

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David9694 replied to essexian | 1 year ago
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Have you found the tariff for this location somewhere, Essex? 

This parking company has made quite a name for itself: 

https://www.thestar.co.uk/business/excel-parking-new-firm-taking-over-at...

https://www.thestar.co.uk/business/excel-parking-businesses-claim-firm-i...

Great that our motorist friendly GOVErnment is taking an interest in the doings of the private parking industry (articles linked in the Sheffield widow story) - that would be the same industry that the DVLC are all too willing to hand over information to.

I can recall issues with the clampers in the mid 1990s clamping cars parked in the town centre delivery bays (only for a minute, no doubt to drop stuff off to a charity shop) - so a long-running issue. 

I'd still say that drivers have brought this stuff on themselves.  I guess the affront is that this is an environment where rules is rules - unlike the wider state system, which bends over backwards to go easy on them. 

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essexian replied to David9694 | 1 year ago
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From the name of the car park given in the article, I believe this might be the one:

https://ecpparkbuddy.com/locationDetail/?id=4403

 

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essexian replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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A horse on a bus.... that's nothing, in the Good Old US of A, they go one bigger...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIR3NU3P_bU

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HoarseMann replied to David9694 | 1 year ago
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Residents' fury as council installs 'eyesore' bollards blocking parking to 'protect pedestrians'

Shame, especially as this resident has so carefully removed all greenery from the front of their house to create such a lovely 'carden'

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Backladder replied to CyclingGardener | 1 year ago
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CyclingGardener wrote:

The entitlement in evidence here . . . https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-66687817 So depressing to discover it's nothing new! And I had no idea the M1 had no speed restriction when first opened.

The white circle with a diagonal black slash sign which currently means "national speed limit applies" originally meant "Deristricted" and applied to many normal roads as well as motorways.

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brooksby replied to David9694 | 1 year ago
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David9694 wrote:

When questioned, a passenger said they were "just in the process of applying for insurance", according to Wiltshire Police. 

That happens a lot on Police Interceptor Motorway Traffic Cops - the police will stop someone for having no insurance, and then actually give them maybe ten minutes to sort it out... Which has always seemed weird, since it doesn't solve things retrospectively AFAIK.

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HoarseMann replied to David9694 | 1 year ago
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That looks like a series 2 disco, they stopped making them in 2003! I suspect the model year is 2002, not 2022 as quoted in the news article!

This is exactly the sort of vehicle that should not be used for short, single occupancy, journeys in a built up area. The entitlement of these people who think they are somehow a special case. 

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OnYerBike replied to David9694 | 1 year ago
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Is there any requirement for the cyclist to have remained at the scene? The normal legislation for "hit and run" offences is S170 of the RTA which only applies to the drivers of mechanically propelled vehicles.

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David9694 replied to HoarseMann | 1 year ago
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He told the Mail: "I'd happily let the people either side of me use my parking area, but the bollards now mean none of us can reach it. Do the Council want us to park on the road because that's will happen.
I've still got 18 months of the payments left on my car, and in this cost of living crisis there's no way I can afford their price for a driveway across the grass verge. 

(me making-up nonsense again)

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David9694 replied to OnYerBike | 1 year ago
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They've amended the wording in s170  from (old) "motor vehicle" to (new) "mechanically propelled vehicle" which must be broader in scope, but I don't know definitely if that includes pedal cycles - it's being discussed in the "cyclists stopped for "speeding" thread. 

(1)Section 170 of that Act (duty of driver to stop, report accident and give information or documents) shall be amended as follows.

(2)In subsections (1) to (3) for the words “motor vehicle” in each place where they occur there shall be substituted the words “ mechanically propelled vehicle ”.

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andystow replied to David9694 | 1 year ago
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It seems likely not to include non-electric bicycles.

Less official source.

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David9694 replied to andystow | 1 year ago
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"The term "mechanically propelled vehicle" is not defined in the Road Traffic Acts. It is ultimately a matter of fact and degree for the court to decide. At its most basic level, it is a vehicle which can be propelled by mechanical means. It can include both electrically and steam powered vehicles."

(The police discussion goes into whether a bike ridden by a robot counts - I thought we were bad today!!)
 

leading to 

Failing to Stop/Report an Accident

Section 170(2) RTA 1988 provides that the driver of the motor vehicle must stop following an accident and, if required to do so by any person having reasonable grounds for so requiring, give his name and address, the name and address of the owner of the vehicle and the identification marks of the vehicle. The duty to stop means to stop sufficiently long enough to exchange the particulars above: (Lee v Knapp [1966] 3 All ER 961).

Section 170(3) RTA 1988 places an obligation on the driver, if they do not give their name and address under subsection (2) above, to report the accident to a police constable or police station as soon as reasonably practicable and in any case within 24 hours. The duty to report means 'as soon as reasonably practicable': (Bulman v Bennett [1974] RTR 1). It does not mean the driver has 24 hours within which to report the collision.

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chrisonabike replied to David9694 | 1 year ago
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David9694 wrote:

Residents' fury as council installs 'eyesore' bollards blocking parking to 'protect pedestrians'

Hull Daily Mail wrote:

Abbey Grove, which forms part of the same street as Well Lane, boasts a particularly wide pavement, which, according to residents, has long been the subject of debate as to whether it is a path or a road. Many had taken to parking their vehicles on the pavement, owing to the shortage of on-street parking and the lack of driveways cut into the steep verge that runs adjacent to the street.

My emphasis.  So sounds like mostly "this will change parking - and even if I have a drive what if several people want to park?  And if not I'll have to walk an extra 5 metres to my house!"

Sadly this chap has inadvertently scored "house" but perhaps this is worth noting as "what the man in the street (road?) thinks" - as he lists them:

Not necessary - there's been no accidents from cars (like the UK's "our roads are safe" we're missing "...because we've discouraged use by everyone but drivers")
It's going to lower the house prices
It's more dangerous because er... young toddlers ... have to beware of every single driveway (how is this different from before?) whereas before the footway "was just a straight road" (my emphasis).  Presumably people with young toddlers might now be tempted to let their kids play or cycle - so that's the problem as we can't expect drivers to watch out for them?
The council may then decide to put in double yellows (to ... er ... allow motor vehicles to keep moving efficiently on the road?)
Whatabout delivery drivers, disabled people, the elderly?
So it's a waste of money.

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Rendel Harris replied to David9694 | 1 year ago
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Three times a week Ms Amos travels to a walled garden in Havering-atte-Bower, where she volunteers her skills as a retired lecturer in horticulture at Capel Manor College.She also goes to hospital and doctor's appointments, local shops in Collier Row, banks in Hornchurch, Romford, and Upminster, and Newbury Park to do her ‘big shops'. This totals, she says, around 40 miles a week.

Collier Row to Havering-atte-Bower is less than a kilometre; the two nearest hospitals are 2 km and 4 km away respectively. An 8mph electric mobility scooter can be had for around £1200 new or less than half of that good condition secondhand, a lot less than the scrappage price for her motor. Bank online, keep shopping locally and get the "big shop" delivered free, stop paying for petrol, MOT, servicing and insurance and get around for bobbins in terms of electricity required. It would also mean she could get into the hospital and GP surgery under power without having to walk from a parking space. You're welcome Ms A!

 

 

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David9694 replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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One more lane didn't get built and didn't therefore fix it...

Seven missed opportunities to transform Hull's gridlocked roads

They would have changed the face of the city had they gone ahead

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/history/seven-ambitious-hull-road-s...

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David9694 replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Wow. The ULEZ introduction is going to flush out a lot these instances of really inappropriate car use.  

You're offering advice on transport options - it seems to me a lot of this has only a passing relationship with transport. 

Meanwhile, grifters, conspiracy theorists and devotees of old bangers and rust heaps gather:

https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/outrage-ulez-building-protester...

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chrisonabike replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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On the "but delivery drivers":

a) how about we put some pressure on delivery companies to stop their drivers PLAC already?  (Because commercial pressures will be in the opposite direction!)  Picture below from today but you'll encounter this kind of thing around Edinburgh every trip.  (Note also the driver on the near right, also parked on double yellows right in a junction - I watched someone in a large standard vehicle dithering for a bit as to whether they could even get through here).

Few of these "unsympathetic parking" incidents are the end of the world (nor indeed illegal or would certainly be defensible because "loading") but this seems to be "normal" and every one is an additional barriers to walking and cycling for the benefit of commerce / driving - in this case in a rare "there's actually a decent footway AND separate cycle path" location...

b) The genie is truly out of the bottle now but the massive increase in deliveries is recent-ish.  So what to do?  Better "local facilities" (like you might find in NL) or more deliveries in smaller vehicles ("last mile" from hubs) do provide a partial answer to this one (it's rare that Amazon are delivering sofas).  But yeah, that's a generational-time change.  Plus fighting against local capitalism, people's wants / expectations etc.

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David9694 replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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The standard Transit seems so unsuited to this type of work. The continual stop-start alone must cause disproportionate wear and tear. I think the old electric milk floats had a lot right - a much more open-bodied design for use in urban areas. 

It seems like such nonsense that up to five different parcel delivery firms can appear in my little road on a weekday.

But, I retain a soft spot for the delivery men because: 

(I) it usually is only for a minute 

(ii) I'm very much part of the problem of using them 

(iii) a lot of individual shopping trips replaced (but have these in their turn been replaced by others?)

(iv) bike tinkering and the ability to get parts delivered helped keep me sane in 2020

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ktache replied to David9694 | 1 year ago
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But they wouldn't completely block a "traffic" lane for a few minutes, would they?

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chrisonabike replied to ktache | 1 year ago
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ktache wrote:

But they wouldn't completely block a "traffic" lane for a few minutes, would they?

Well... maybe a few of the most bolshy / biggest bulls in the paddock might.

However I suspect those fighting the "war on the motorist" have a pretty good grasp of where the *real* threat is actually from. And it ain't those irritating cyclists. Block the road with your motor and you'd probably soon be wishing you'd been spotted by Cycling Mikey or got hit by the tyre extinguishers instead...

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