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Hi,After years of MTB i have now turned to road cycling. I made a massive mistake in buying the wrong size frame for my first road bike,however i have completed 3 sportives on it and have now decided to sell and buy a new stead. Im hoping to have £1700 to spend dependent on sell off curent bike.

So im looking for comfort,disc and endurance riding.

I have looked at the following rides -

Giant Content SL1 Disc - £1250 -Love the colour and spec,but hate the look of the conduct system. Can i change this to full hydro?.Also cranks not 105

Canyon Endurance AL Disc 7.0 - £1349 - Looks fantastic ,however im concerned with it as its an internet sale,no free service,what if it arrives faulty.

Emonda ALR 5 Disc - £1750 - This looks a great bike which i would not have to upgrade,but is it ok for endurance riding?

Giant Defy Advanced 3 - £1499 - Same brake system as Contend,Tiagra groupset

Cannondale Synapse Disc 105 - Are theTektro Spyre-C cable actuated disc any good?

Do i spend less and use spare cash to upgrade or spend more.

My current bike is a CUBE ATTAIN SL - 105 throughout. I like 105 but is Tiagra ok.

 

Thanks for any help

 

 

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hawkinspeter [2666 posts] 4 weeks ago
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My advice is to ignore the Canyon unless you can try it before you buy it. You'll get better value for your money if you buy the bike with the groupset that you want as upgrading can work out costly (depending on how easy it is to sell the old components).

I haven't tried cable based disc brakes, but there seem to be some gotchas with them - periodic adjusting and variable performance across brands. I've tried Tektro rim brakes on an older Synapse and they weren't much good (great bike, though). I'd go for the hydraulic discs every time.

Ultimately you need to try out some different bikes and see which one makes you grin the most.

 

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RafatheRed [22 posts] 4 weeks ago
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Hi,Yes I very much doubt I could try the Canyon so that cuts that one out and I would prefer a 105 group set so that drops the Defy. Being a mountain biker too I used too full hydraulic brakes ,however the Contend with the conduct system (which is just ugly looking) is a bit of both. This leads me to the Émonda,now I’m not the most flexible chap and have had a back operation a few years back so could this bike be ridden comfortably on a 60 mile sportive?

My LBS don’t have the new Giants or Treks in yet so I can’t try yet.

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TLem [2 posts] 4 weeks ago
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Hi! I'm not sure what you mean by no free service for the Canyon. It it arrives faulty, just return it – you can return it during the first 30 days even if there is no any fault. I have the same model you are considering, and I'm happy with it.

Regarding groupset, I agree with the previous commenter: better buy a bike with components that you don't need to immediately upgrade.

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RafatheRed [22 posts] 4 weeks ago
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I guess I meant Canyon don’t offer a free service like a LBS can if you buy from a shop. And I know I can send it back but as Canyon is based in Germany it all takes up valuable riding time and seems more hassle. I know I’m looking at the worst case but it can happen I guess. 

Yea,I’m going the groupset,I think you are both right. I’m torn between the contend and elmonda. Of course Domane would of been nice but they are too expensive now.

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StoopidUserName [520 posts] 4 weeks ago
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Canyon every day!!

They have various demo days throughout the year at various locations, might be worth having a look at their website

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SpikeBike [127 posts] 3 weeks ago
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I can't comment on the other bikes but I also have the canyon but the rim version. You just can't beat canyon for value with full groupset. Could also look at rose and ribble even planet x but all doesn't get around your Internet buy worries. If you do go for a canyon follow their sizing advice. It was spot on for me (although I did swap out the stem).

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RafatheRed [22 posts] 3 weeks ago
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To be honest the Canyon would be my pick,i saw a few on my last sportive.I will take a look at the website and sign up to the news letter. But I do like the face to face contact that LBS can provide.Thanks for yours and others input.

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rdmp2 [59 posts] 3 weeks ago
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What brands does your lbs stock? Nothing of interest there? If the lack of a free service puts you off the canyon then factor in the cost of a minor service with your lbs to the price. Canyon are good value as they cut out the middle man but if you value that service then treat the eg £100 6 week service as part of the upfront cost

 

RafatheRed wrote:

Hi,Yes I very much doubt I could try the Canyon so that cuts that one out and I would prefer a 105 group set so that drops the Defy. Being a mountain biker too I used too full hydraulic brakes ,however the Contend with the conduct system (which is just ugly looking) is a bit of both. This leads me to the Émonda,now I’m not the most flexible chap and have had a back operation a few years back so could this bike be ridden comfortably on a 60 mile sportive?

My LBS don’t have the new Giants or Treks in yet so I can’t try yet.

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srchar [1075 posts] 3 weeks ago
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That free 6 week service at a LBS will consist of indexing the gears, inflating the tyres and, if you're lucky, retorquing a few bolts. With hydraulic discs, they wouldn't even need to adjust the brakes.

Not having it wouldn't bother me in the slightest and, if you can't DIY, use it as a learning opportunity or budget £30 at your LBS.

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philhubbard [161 posts] 3 weeks ago
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I would have a word with the chaps at Cycle Division (https://www.cycledivision.co.uk/sale?p=2) they currently have a lot of stock of last seasons bikes. They would be able to do a bikefit and recommend you if you can go to there store or give you info online. You could probably get hydraulic discs if you look at sale items

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RafatheRed [22 posts] 3 weeks ago
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srchar wrote:

That free 6 week service at a LBS will consist of indexing the gears, inflating the tyres and, if you're lucky, retorquing a few bolts. With hydraulic discs, they wouldn't even need to adjust the brakes.

Not having it wouldn't bother me in the slightest and, if you can't DIY, use it as a learning opportunity or budget £30 at your LBS.

Hi,I could do the brakes,tryes and bolts.Just not the gears. I have tried a few times. Ok so the service thing is not the issue now.

 

 

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hawkinspeter [2666 posts] 3 weeks ago
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RafatheRed wrote:
srchar wrote:

That free 6 week service at a LBS will consist of indexing the gears, inflating the tyres and, if you're lucky, retorquing a few bolts. With hydraulic discs, they wouldn't even need to adjust the brakes.

Not having it wouldn't bother me in the slightest and, if you can't DIY, use it as a learning opportunity or budget £30 at your LBS.

Hi,I could do the brakes,tryes and bolts.Just not the gears. I have tried a few times. Ok so the service thing is not the issue now.

Gears aren't really that difficult. Watch a couple of youtube videos on how to do it first and then start tweaking the gears. For a 6 week service, it should only be a case of tightening the cable slightly to allow for the initial cable stretching - you shouldn't need to adjust the limit screws.

It's well worth learning how to do it.

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RafatheRed [22 posts] 3 weeks ago
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Thanks for the advice on gear maintanance.

 Im think im looking for the perect bike which is just not there in the price range,all the bikes im looking at need something changing lol

A - Giant Content SL1 Disc -  Reallydont like the look of the conduct system. Can i change this to full hydro?.Also cranks not 105

B- It seems the Cayon is most recommened. However i have just realised its a 52/36 chainring and not 50/34. I guess i can change that?  

C - The Emonda has a 11/28 rear cassete ,im looking for a 11/32

D - The Synapse - Again the braking system and crank (its FSA not 105) 

I really need to test ride them.I know this.

 

 

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RafatheRed [22 posts] 3 weeks ago
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philhubbard wrote:

I would have a word with the chaps at Cycle Division (https://www.cycledivision.co.uk/sale?p=2) they currently have a lot of stock of last seasons bikes. They would be able to do a bikefit and recommend you if you can go to there store or give you info online. You could probably get hydraulic discs if you look at sale items

 I took a look at the website.This shop is 3 hours away from me,however just happens to be near Loughborough where i will be visiting in a couple of weekends.I see they do Cannondale and Scott which i know nothing about.Does not look like they have the Synapse 105 in stock and not sure they do full hydro systems.Thanks for the tip.

 

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Joe Totale [92 posts] 3 weeks ago
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RafatheRed wrote:

Thanks for the advice on gear maintanance.

 Im think im looking for the perect bike which is just not there in the price range,all the bikes im looking at need something changing lol

A - Giant Content SL1 Disc -  Reallydont like the look of the conduct system. Can i change this to full hydro?.Also cranks not 105

B- It seems the Cayon is most recommened. However i have just realised its a 52/36 chainring and not 50/34. I guess i can change that?  

C - The Emonda has a 11/28 rear cassete ,im looking for a 11/32

D - The Synapse - Again the braking system and crank (its FSA not 105) 

I really need to test ride them.I know this.

 

 

 

A cassette is a hell of a lot easier and cheaper to change then a crankset. However the Canyon has a 11-32 casette on the back with the 52-36 crank. 

IMO that combo will get you up any hill without too much trouble, in fact I ride it myself on my winter bike and I really like it. If you buy the Canyon I'd give the 52/36 a good go first before thinking of spending all that money on replacing it. 

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rdmp2 [59 posts] 3 weeks ago
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A- yes but hydraulic shifters are the most expensive part of groupset so not cheap
B- yes, but 105 chainrings are £45 each
C- I think the emonda has a short cage mech so officially you need a new rear mech to fit a 32t sprocket
D- see A

RafatheRed wrote:

Thanks for the advice on gear maintanance.

 Im think im looking for the perect bike which is just not there in the price range,all the bikes im looking at need something changing lol

A - Giant Content SL1 Disc -  Reallydont like the look of the conduct system. Can i change this to full hydro?.Also cranks not 105

B- It seems the Cayon is most recommened. However i have just realised its a 52/36 chainring and not 50/34. I guess i can change that?  

C - The Emonda has a 11/28 rear cassete ,im looking for a 11/32

D - The Synapse - Again the braking system and crank (its FSA not 105) 

I really need to test ride them.I know this.

 

 

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RafatheRed [22 posts] 3 weeks ago
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rdmp2 wrote:

A- yes but hydraulic shifters are the most expensive part of groupset so not cheap B- yes, but 105 chainrings are £45 each C- I think the emonda has a short cage mech so officially you need a new rear mech to fit a 32t sprocket D- see A

RafatheRed wrote:

Thanks for the advice on gear maintanance.

 Im think im looking for the perect bike which is just not there in the price range,all the bikes im looking at need changing lol

A - Giant Content SL1 Disc -  Reallydont like the look of the conduct system. Can i change this to full hydro?.Also cranks not 105

B- It seems the Cayon is most recommened. However i have just realised its a 52/36 chainring and not 50/34. I guess i can change that?  

C - The Emonda has a 11/28 rear cassete ,im looking for a 11/32

D - The Synapse - Again the braking system and crank (its FSA not 105) 

I really need to test ride them.I know this.

 

 

Shimano 105 R7000 Double 11-Speed STI Levers, Pair £200 i have seen. So with the 105 cranks  the Giant it would end up costing £1500.Would that be mad even thought i would be happy with the Contend 

Not sure what 105 brakes the Canyon has,but if its the RS505 then ive only seen negative reports.

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rdmp2 [59 posts] 3 weeks ago
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Could be wrong but for £200 likely to be the mechanical 105 shifters rather than hydraulic?

The Canyon looks like it has the R7020 brakes- real 105 series so will be fine. Btw- I have the RS-405 and the brakes are great- just the bulbous shifters which are ugly.

Given the Canyon comes with an 11-32 cassette it must have the long cage mech- could that take an 11-34 cassette? That gives you a low gear to match a compact with 11-32 (slightly bigger gaps).

I'd probably buy the bike you like the look of the best then when you've had it a while and got a bit of cash get the gearing/braking set up as you would ideally like.

Lastly- other options Focus Paralane 6.9, Rose Pro SL Disc

 

 

RafatheRed wrote:
rdmp2 wrote:

A- yes but hydraulic shifters are the most expensive part of groupset so not cheap B- yes, but 105 chainrings are £45 each C- I think the emonda has a short cage mech so officially you need a new rear mech to fit a 32t sprocket D- see A

RafatheRed wrote:

Thanks for the advice on gear maintanance.

 Im think im looking for the perect bike which is just not there in the price range,all the bikes im looking at need changing lol

A - Giant Content SL1 Disc -  Reallydont like the look of the conduct system. Can i change this to full hydro?.Also cranks not 105

B- It seems the Cayon is most recommened. However i have just realised its a 52/36 chainring and not 50/34. I guess i can change that?  

C - The Emonda has a 11/28 rear cassete ,im looking for a 11/32

D - The Synapse - Again the braking system and crank (its FSA not 105) 

I really need to test ride them.I know this.

 

 

Shimano 105 R7000 Double 11-Speed STI Levers, Pair £200 i have seen. So with the 105 cranks  the Giant it would end up costing £1500.Would that be mad even thought i would be happy with the Contend 

Not sure what 105 brakes the Canyon has,but if its the RS505 then ive only seen negative reports.

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RafatheRed [22 posts] 3 weeks ago
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Oh wow yea,the  R7020 brakes are £400 plus.Too much for a brake upgrade me thinks on the Contend.I think i will do a live chat on the Canyon web site and ask questions 

  • Which 105 brakes are they using
  • What is the max tire width
  • Demo Days,when and where

Its a 11/32 rear cassete im after,its what i have now.

But wait.........Focus Paralane 6.9. This looks good,but for the same price i could get Shimano Ultegra on the Canyon. Seems that the only way im going to get the brake set up im looking for is to go for a  Focus - £1659

Frame 7005 hydroformed aluminum, disc, BSA BB, 142x12 mm through axle, RAT Evo technology, flat mount 140 mm, internal brake & gear cable routing
Forks Carbon, disc, 100x12 mm RAT through axle, RAT Evo Technology, flat mount 140 mm, internal brake cable routing
Rear Derailleur
Shimano 105 R7000
Shifters
Shimano 105 R7020
Freewheel
Shimano 105, 11-34T
Stem BBB Basic, aluminium, 31.8mm, +/- 7 degree
Handlebars BBB Basic, Aluminium, drop: 125 mm, reach: 70mm
Front Brake
Shimano 105 R7020 hydraulic disc, 160 / 160 mm
Rear Brake
Shimano 105 R7020 hydraulic disc, 160 / 160 mm
Wheelset Shimano WH-RS170, disc center-lock, aluminium, 100x12/142x12 mm, 28/28 spokes, 17 mm inner rim width
Tyres Continental Ultra Sport II, 700 x 28C, Folding
Saddle Velo VL-1489 Steel Rail
Seatpost BBB Basic, Aluminium, 25,4mm, 350mm, set-back 20mm

 

Or Canyon - £1649

Frame Canyon Endurace AL Disc
Fork Canyon One One Eight SL Disc
Headset Acros AZX 214
Rear Derailleur Shimano Ultegra, 11s
Derailleur Hanger Derailleur Hanger for Road Discbrake Models/Inflite CF SLX
Front Derailleur Shimano Ultegra, 11s
Brake/Shift Levers Shimano Ultegra Disc, 11s
Brakes Shimano Ultegra Disc
Cassette Shimano Ultegra, 11s
Wheelset Mavic Aksium Elite Disc UST
Tyres Mavic Yksion Elite Guard
Cranks Shimano Ultegra, 11s
Chainrings 52 | 36
Chain Shimano CN-HG600-11
Bottom Bracket Shimano BSA

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rdmp2 [59 posts] 3 weeks ago
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Last comments from me. I think geometry, fit and liking the bike are more important than components. Pick a bike that fits you so is comfortable to ride and that you like the look of so you will want to go out and ride it

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ibr17xvii [364 posts] 3 weeks ago
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I have the previous version of the Canyon which I would highly recommend, it's an excellent bike for the money.

Mine has 50/34 cranks which is what I usually run on a winter bike. Canyon must've changed to semi compact for 2019 so like you this would've been a concern for me but I still think I would've bought it.

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BobbyG [58 posts] 3 weeks ago
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Any reason why you're not considering the Endurace CF SL Disc 7.0 @ £1,699?

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gonedownhill [207 posts] 3 weeks ago
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Canyon everytime, just for the sexy electric blue if nothing else. 

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Paul7189 [33 posts] 3 weeks ago
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You can get the defy advanced 3 for £1000 brand new on ebay. The same shop has a defy advanced 2 for £1250. I have the advanced 1 model and the hybrid brakes are actually really good. Also they come with some adaptors for mounting you computer and light on the conduct housing that actually takes your eyes off them!

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RafatheRed [22 posts] 3 weeks ago
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Hi,yes I see it,love the colour of the Advanced 2. Same colour as my Giant Fathom MTB. Now do I speak to the wife..........

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Paul7189 [33 posts] 3 weeks ago
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RafatheRed wrote:

Hi,yes I see it,love the colour of the Advanced 2. Same colour as my Giant Fathom MTB. Now do I speak to the wife..........

 

If you contact them directly instead of through ebay they will proabably wave the delivery fee!

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CXR94Di2 [2284 posts] 3 weeks ago
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The Giant Defy Advanced 2- What about max tyre size width.  From what I've read 28mm is the maximum. 

Are you going to want something that could take upto, say 38mm for the odd trail ride in the future?

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StraelGuy [1588 posts] 3 weeks ago
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I've got the 2015 Giant Defy Advanced 2 and can confirm it can comfortably take 28 mm tyres but not with mudguards as well.

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RafatheRed [22 posts] 3 weeks ago
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So I have contacted the shop about sizing. They said the M/L will fit,however I checked out Giant website and I'm on the cusp of medium to medium large. Should I be looking at the medium size. I don't want to buy the wrong size again. I'm 5'11 with a 32 inseam.

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RafatheRed [22 posts] 3 weeks ago
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So I have contacted the shop about sizing. They said the M/L will fit,however I checked out Giant website and I'm on the cusp of medium to medium large. Should I be looking at the medium size. I don't want to buy the wrong size again. I'm 5'11 with a 32 inseam.

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