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I’ve been using these for a few weeks now, and today was the first specially wet day.  Back tyre slipped out coming down a steep hill that I descend every day.  I was just able to hold it, but finished up pretty much in the opposite gutter.  Had a couple of minor slips on the way home, including climbing the same hill.  

Has anyone else found this?  If they are as bad as this, then they may have to go, so any other suggestions for 4 seasons tubeless?

 

Thanks

 

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Miller [306 posts] 1 year ago
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I had a pair of Sector 28s and they absolutely would not wear out, the buggers, had to sell a bike to get ride of them. But I did put a question mark beside their wet grip after I got dumped on the road on a LH bend three years ago. It was October, the road was damp, who knows whether another tyre would have kept me upright.

This site has given very positive reviews to the Hutch Fusion 5.

https://road.cc/content/review/230757-hutchinson-fusion-5-elevenstorm-tu...

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hawkinspeter [4392 posts] 1 year ago
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Haven't tried the Sectors, but I had a very similar issue with Schwalbe Ones in the wet (reducing the tyre pressure below 70psi helped a bit).

I ended up getting some IRC Formula Pros from Cycleclinic (https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/products/2017-irc-formula-pro-fusion-x-guar...) which were very confidence inspiring and seemed to be hard wearing as well.

I've since started using Maxxis Padrones (http://www.wiggle.co.uk/maxxis-padrone-tubeless-ready-folding-tyre/) which feel a lot more supple than the IRCs and haven't given me any trouble with lack of grip in the wet.

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dottigirl [867 posts] 1 year ago
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What pressures do you ride them on for your weight? Do you knock any air out in bad weather?

hawkinspeter wrote:

Haven't tried the Sectors, but I had a very similar issue with Schwalbe Ones in the wet (reducing the tyre pressure below 70psi helped a bit).

I've ridden with someone who was skittering everywhere on Ones. The tyre pressure being too high was probably the reason, but I wasn't impressed. 

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hawkinspeter [4392 posts] 1 year ago
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dottigirl wrote:

What pressures do you ride them on for your weight? Do you knock any air out in bad weather?

hawkinspeter wrote:

Haven't tried the Sectors, but I had a very similar issue with Schwalbe Ones in the wet (reducing the tyre pressure below 70psi helped a bit).

I've ridden with someone who was skittering everywhere on Ones. The tyre pressure being too high was probably the reason, but I wasn't impressed. 

I was trying to run the 25mm Schwalbes at around 80psi (I'm approx 90-95kgs) and they would just skid on any surface moisture. At around 65psi they behaved a bit better, but I changed them as soon as I wore them out which doesn't take very long with the Pro Ones.

I've currently got a 28mm IRC on the front that is lasting a long time and a 28mm Maxxis Padrone on the rear and have them both at around 70-80 psi. So far, the Padrone seems to be excellent - good grip and feels fast. The IRC has excellent grip, but I suspect that it's not as pliable as other tyres and hence not quite as quick.

I don't think I'll bother with the Schwalbes again.

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johnvrcc [23 posts] 1 year ago
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I had some trouble on Sector 32s recently on a rainy trip to the Lake District. Slipped once going uphill when I got out of the saddle so I did the rest of the climbs seated. Slipped a couple of times going downhill very slowly and ended up walking one steep section after losing my nerve. I was riding next to someone with GP4000s 28s and they had no issues, so I can say they are almost certainly grippier in the wet than Sectors. I'm 82kg and ride 50-60psi. My friend's GP4000s were around 85psi I believe for a similar weight rider.

Very happy with them otherwise

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Stratman [178 posts] 1 year ago
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Thanks all for the comments, I may be running them at too high pressure, I’ll try them a little softer.

I’ve ridden the same hill hundreds of times on GP4S and never once had a slip.

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HoarseMann [317 posts] 1 year ago
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Stratman wrote:

Thanks all for the comments, I may be running them at too high pressure, I’ll try them a little softer.

I’ve ridden the same hill hundreds of times on GP4S and never once had a slip.

On the few occasions I've been swayed by the claims of the latest and greatest, I’ve always ended up going back to Conti's.

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bamboo [21 posts] 1 year ago
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Used to ride on Contis, switched to Hutchinson Sector 28s for my commute and longer rides, running them tubeless. Great tires, have not had a real flat since I put them on - occasionally noticed that there was a bit of white fluid when I got home, pumped the tyre back up and was ready for the next day. On bigger gaps I put a patch on the inside once at home.

Friend of mine still runs Contis, whenevery we go out for a longer ride I can pretty much guarantee that he will flat at least once...

I am running the Sectors with 60-80psi. Grip is better then I had on the Contis previously (which were 23s on ca. 100psi). Both have issues in the rain. Given that my commute is on busy roads, I tend to reduce speed in the rain (or in other impaired driving conditions) anyway.

 

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L3gion [17 posts] 1 year ago
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Stratman, I've had the same experience.

My Hunt wheels (from previous bike) came shod with Pro Ones (tubeless), amazingly fast tyres with no particular problems in the wet that I noticed but terrible durability. Puncture after puncture that wouldn't seal. I tolerated this a few times and then binned them (because they were unusable with so much damage anyway) to replace with some Sector 32's (again running tubeless).

The sectors have seemed really good right up until early this week when they got their first taste of damp/greasy roads. Horrible sensations, I could just feel them sliding and moving about...and I rode motorbikes for 20 years straight so I'm happy with all sorts of bad behaviour (KTM anyone?)

I've taken those Hunt wheels straight off and put back the original wheels shod with Bontrager R3 hard case lites (tubed). So far they seem better but its dried up a fair bit so time will tell. On my gravelly bike the G-one allrounds (35mm) were completely bombproof in the wet, couldnt even tell. Pity they don't really fit my domane or I'd consider using them.

I'd like a good 32mm tubeless option for the wet...

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Shades [514 posts] 1 year ago
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Haven't got any experience of these tyres but I always think there's a theme to threads re skittish tyres in the wet; high puncture resistance. Maybe it's just one of those things that 'comes with the territory'.

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theflatboy [21 posts] 1 year ago
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This is a timely thread - I have only just got round to trying road tubeless, with a Sector 28 for the back wheel only (tubed Conti 4 Seasons remaining on the front).

Got it seated and set-up no problem on Saturday, went out once on Sunday morning and once this morning, both wet / damp days. The Sector is atrocious - tubeless aspect couldn't be better and no complaints there, but it has no grip. On Sunday, nearly dropped it turning right from one road to another and then again turning right round a roundabout; this morning, massive wheelspin trying to pull across a main road, tons of wheel spin going up a moderate hill and a couple of massive skids under braking as well. I'm only glad I had the grip for steering and braking up front, and that I didn't have the Sector on both wheels!

Very disappointing stuff, not many tubeless 28mm tyres around that I can see. I'm looking at getting a pair of WTB Exposure 30s as a replacement for front and back already, have very little confidence in the Sector!

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peted76 [1637 posts] 1 year ago
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Tubeless Schwalbe Pro Ones here. 25mm on summer and 28mm on winter spec bike, good grip in all weather. 73kg's running 28mm at 70/75psi.  (Front/Rear)

I think the Pro One compound might be different to the One ? Either way, they are expensive tryes and are very soft and cut up easily. I have no problems with punctures (tubeless sorts all that out) but they do wear out pretty quick. 

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L3gion [17 posts] 1 year ago
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theflatboy wrote:

Very disappointing stuff, not many tubeless 28mm tyres around that I can see. I'm looking at getting a pair of WTB Exposure 30s as a replacement for front and back already, have very little confidence in the Sector!

I'd be careful about that as the WTB exposure is a similar design and a quick look around some reviews suggests that the "harder wearing" centre line tread makes them poor performers in the wet...

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Miller [306 posts] 1 year ago
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I'm a fan of the original Schwalbe One (non Pro). It was a heavier tyre but it rolled well and was robust. Nowadays I have Pro One 25 on the back of my TT bike, as it is fast, but I'm not convinced it's an everyday tyre.

My this year's favourite is Schwalbe G-One Speed (previously S-One) in 30mm. On a 26mm rim it inflates out to only 29mm. I've found it very fast and quite robust, I've done some mixed terrain rides on it successfully. It shows wear quickly and it's not invulnerable but it's only stopped me at the roadside once when I clattered into a pothole and put a cut in the sidewall. Then again, it was easy to swap in a tube to get home as the bead is not horrifically tight.

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theflatboy [21 posts] 1 year ago
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OK thanks Legion, that's a bit annoying as I was hoping they might be an unsung golden bullet option...

I wish Contintental would step up to the mark with tubeless - I find the 4 Seasons decent enough and would definitely take a tubeless set in 28 if they existed!

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BBB [515 posts] 1 year ago
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Another option - Specialized Roubaix tubeless in 28mm or 32mm casing.

 

 

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Russell Orgazoid [566 posts] 1 year ago
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Been running Sector 28s a while now. 70kg and about 60psi.

Never had an issue and better in every way the 4season tyres i had previously that said 28mm but were more like 26mm. Maybe the contis are made by VW.

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jacknorell [1068 posts] 1 year ago
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Ran Sector 28s for two years. Most people run tubeless at too high pressure and you get poor grip.

Also, they're slippery until used for a few hours, but at appropriate pressure grip is decent even in shit conditions.

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L3gion [17 posts] 1 year ago
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jacknorell wrote:

Ran Sector 28s for two years. Most people run tubeless at too high pressure and you get poor grip. Also, they're slippery until used for a few hours, but at appropriate pressure grip is decent even in shit conditions.

You might be right there - I just remembered being surprised at the odd pressure guide on the packaging of my sector 32's:

<60kg / 26psi

60-80kg / 29-30.5psi

>80kg / 33psi

I've been at around 60psi (70kg). 30psi just seems insanely low? I can imagine me getting out of the saddle to climb and just watching the front squish flat into the road. (I was running about 60psi in my 28mm pro ones)

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1w-BCSSPWfRfbGssMv3wnFCG4IsUkd4uU

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Stratman [178 posts] 1 year ago
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Jacknorrell, I have put many miles on them, so I will look at pressure - it does seem like a theme.  

Flatboy, I too would take tubeless GP4S if they existed.

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Stratman [178 posts] 1 year ago
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Jacknorrell, I have put many miles on them, so I will look at pressure - it does seem like a theme.  

Flatboy, I too would take tubeless GP4S if they existed.

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L3gion [17 posts] 1 year ago
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Just to show how confusing it is - as well as the very low pressures recommended on the packaging, the actual sidewall of the tyre says:

Min 58psi

Rec 70psi

Max 87psi

Make your mind up Hutchinson...

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theflatboy [21 posts] 1 year ago
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Good tip about the Spesh Roubaix 2bliss (wtf? :lol:), hadn't noticed those are available as an option. But point also taken about pressure. I'm doing a Kent ride on Saturday so will try dropping the rear 10psi and see if that makes a difference.

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Miller [306 posts] 1 year ago
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Tubeless can take low pressures easily. As I have found on a few occasions when I've discovered there has been an air leak and pressure is much lower than I thought.

Fwiw, on my road bike with 25mm IRC tubeless I'm running about 70psi, and the bike with the G-One Speeds which are nominally 30mm, 50 - 60 psi. 

 

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paulrattew [307 posts] 1 year ago
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I've got 28mm hutchinson sectors on my bike at the moment and I've found their wet weather grip to be good. I'm running then at around 70psi (I'm just over 80 kilos). Recently did Land's End to John O'Groats on them and they were great. They do take a good bit of wearing in when brand new, but that's generally my experience for all road tubeless tyres. 

The hutchinson fusion 5 11storm tyres are faster and grippier than the sectors (and the pro ones), but more lightweight / not as resilient. 

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L3gion [17 posts] 1 year ago
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I did a little bit of wheel swapping to test today (not as wet as I wanted but useful anyway). Still, there were opportunities to hammer the brakes hard on wet sections under trees etc.

Bontrager R3 Hard Case Lites 32mm @ 60psi (tubes)

Hutchinson Sector 32mm @50psi (tubeless)

I have to say the Sectors felt much better behaved @50psi than they did at 60-70psi, and surprisingly comfy and fast. I tried dropping it to 40psi whilst on the way back but tbh this made them feel worse. So I think 50psi feels about right for me (70kg)

Either way the R3's were providing better grip on the wet sections, even @60psi.

I've sent Hutchinson a question asking for guidance on pressure for the Sectors but no response yet.

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Xenophon2 [137 posts] 3 months ago
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I've found out the hard way that Sector 28's offer next to no grip in the wet when new.  They require about 80-100 miles for the smooth surface coating/upper layer to wear off.   Be extremly cautious when riding in wet weather during that period. 

After that they're fine, very grippy in the dry, no worse than others I've tried (Conti, Schwalbe) in the wet.  They're also VERY hard-wearing, which is a consideration when commuting and doing lots of miles/year.  I take them off and switch to 40 mil tyres run at low pressure once temperatures start to hit freezing (November-end of March) because -at least subjectively- I feel the low temparatures make the compound too hard and affect grip.

 

Hutchinson's pressure guides are a mess, the website says one thing, the sidewalls on my set say to inflate to a minimum of 6 and a maximum of 7 bars (which is way too high for my weight).  I usually ride them at about 5 bar.

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Tony Bang [2 posts] 3 weeks ago
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9 months ago, last winter I went tubeless (after a bad run of punctures) - my bike shop selected Hutchinson Sector 32s, which they fitted for me.  2 months later I was riding at speed in a small group downhill - it was a cold day, road surface wet - the guy immediately in front of me suddenly braked - I braked too to avoid hitting him - lost the backend of the bike - fractured my collar bone (needed surgery to bring the bone ends together!).

Back on the bike 3 months ago but riding a bit more cautiously when wet!  I am taking my bike away somewhere warmer for 4 weeks in the winter.  I planned to buy a spare tyre to take away with me when I came across this thread - there are other similar wet weather concerns on Sectors on individual tyre reviews (Wiggle etc).  After reading some of the comments in this thread I have reduced my pressures from 60 to 30. On the lower pressures, there seems to be no loss of speed & the ride is better.

My dilemma is do I stay with these tyres at lower pressures or do I find a new brand to minimise risk of another tumble!?  If I were to bin these what would I pick for a 32 tubeless - Continental GP 5000 or Goodyear Eagle All Season or maybe something else?  Advice would be welcomed.

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Miller [306 posts] 3 weeks ago
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I ran a pair of Hutchinson Fusion 5 All Season TLR in 28mm last winter. It's a lovely tyre, easy to fit, gave me no hassle, rolls nicely, no lack of grip, not that expensive. Not sure I've had a single noticeable puncture with them. Downside for you, not available in 32mm. That's a shame as I think a 32mm version of those would be a very good tyre.

Another tyre I have loved is the Schwalbe G-One Speed. Among other sizes it's available in 30mm. For a gravel-inclined tyre it's remarkably quick. Good grip, works well on mixed surfaces, but does show wear quite quickly.

 

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Tony Bang [2 posts] 3 weeks ago
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L3gion wrote:

I did a little bit of wheel swapping to test today (not as wet as I wanted but useful anyway). Still, there were opportunities to hammer the brakes hard on wet sections under trees etc.

Bontrager R3 Hard Case Lites 32mm @ 60psi (tubes)

Hutchinson Sector 32mm @50psi (tubeless)

I have to say the Sectors felt much better behaved @50psi than they did at 60-70psi, and surprisingly comfy and fast. I tried dropping it to 40psi whilst on the way back but tbh this made them feel worse. So I think 50psi feels about right for me (70kg)

Either way the R3's were providing better grip on the wet sections, even @60psi.

I've sent Hutchinson a question asking for guidance on pressure for the Sectors but no response yet.

L3gion - Did you ever get a response from Hutchinson?

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