[MrMajic]

I’m after some advice, I realise that there are lots of tubeless tyre questions/threads but I still don’t know what to go for!

I currently have 28mm 4 Seasons on the bike, it’s a winter bike with guards and I ride on roads with some poor quality muddy/gritty lanes. The rear has cut up a bit over 1800 miles but I’m happy with the grip level that they offer. I had some Gatorskins on another winter bike and they were too slippy.

My issue is that I can’t mount them by hand and so I’m dreading the inevitable cold and dark feeling at the side of the road when I have to call a taxi. The wheels are DT Swiss R32 Spline, disc and are tubeless ready. I’ve got a fair amount of clearance with the guards, 28mm is fine, I could probably fit a 30mm but I’ve no strong desire to go above 28mm.

I need a tyre with very good P*ncture resistance, grip and one that is tubeless ready. I would also like to be able to mount it without having to make or use a high pressure pump.

If anyone has experience of such a tyre I’d be grateful!

Mark

 

 

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[Welsh boy]

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So, you binned perfectly good tyres when all you needed to do was either patch the holes from the inside of the tyre or put a tube in? [/quote]

Do you really think that I binned a perfectly good tyre?  Of course I tried patching it but it was like a letter S even with a patch on the inside. My recommendation is on the overall experience taking into account cost, puncture resistance (or lack of it on two ocassions) and ride quality before they failed.  My comments are based on real life experience and not assumptions or opinions formed by reading reviews or other people’s opinions.

[Welsh boy]

[/quote] Did you put 60-70

[/quote] Did you put 60-70 mil of sealant per tyre. [/quote]

 

Yep, full quantity of sealant.  It makes a mess of your frame when it comes out of the hole too.

[Anonymous]

Welsh boy wrote:

If you are asking for advice, mine would be dont bother with road tubeless.  I tried it last winter, a thorn sized puncture which didnt seal and a small cut (probably about 2mm) which, again, didnt seal, both in Schwalbe Pro One tyres ruined £60 worth of tyres in about 400 miles.  When they were still on the bike (they are now obviously in the bin) the ride was nothing special either.  All things considered, an expensive experiment which I cannot recommend to anyone.

 

So, you binned perfectly good tyres when all you needed to do was either patch the holes from the inside of the tyre or put a tube in? And on this basis you don’t recommend going tubeless…

[Billj]

Big fan of tubeless, if you

Big fan of tubeless, if you go down this route remove the core when pumping up to get seated – can then usually do with track pump.

However, if for commuting (I.e probably less worried about weight) you can put sealant into a tube. Works well, minimal extra expenditure. Will potentially need to replace tubes eventually as can’t clean out dried up sealant but should minimise roadside struggles.

[CXR94Di2]

Welsh boy wrote:

Welsh boy wrote:

If you are asking for advice, mine would be dont bother with road tubeless.  I tried it last winter, a thorn sized puncture which didnt seal and a small cut (probably about 2mm) which, again, didnt seal, both in Schwalbe Pro One tyres ruined £60 worth of tyres in about 400 miles.  When they were still on the bike (they are now obviously in the bin) the ride was nothing special either.  All things considered, an expensive experiment which I cannot recommend to anyone.

Did you put 60-70 mil of sealant per tyre. Alot of people scale down the amount from MTB size thinking it will be fine. If you put 30 or less then that was your problem and compromised the sealing ability.

I did an 80 miles ride on my tubular wheelset and got a puncture somewhere, now it could of been in first mile or the last but the point is, I only noticed this sealed puncture after I had finished an 80 mile ride. Even now the tyre has held pressure.

[Markopic]

MrMajic wrote:

 

Thanks for your honesty. I’m moving towards sticking with my 4 seasons! They’re just so tight on the wheel! I run 4000SIIs on my other bikes and roll them on by hand easily. 

 

Agreed completely, I have made a scratch on my rim when I was putting them on, I was so out of my mind after trying to fit one tire for more than a hour, so I used metal tyre spanner to put it on.

These stay on those wheels until they are so worn out that I can cut them off.

[Welsh boy]

If you are asking for advice,

If you are asking for advice, mine would be dont bother with road tubeless.  I tried it last winter, a thorn sized puncture which didnt seal and a small cut (probably about 2mm) which, again, didnt seal, both in Schwalbe Pro One tyres ruined £60 worth of tyres in about 400 miles.  When they were still on the bike (they are now obviously in the bin) the ride was nothing special either.  All things considered, an expensive experiment which I cannot recommend to anyone.

[MrMajic]

CasperCCC wrote:

I’ve just spotted your comment about high pressure pumps in your original post.

I’ve not managed to get any tubeless road tyre inflated with a track pump. I ended up buying one of these: http://www.airshotltd.com/ . That does the job pretty effectively.

Truth be told, I’m mostly sticking with tubeless out of stubborness. One of those “I’ve spent the money, so I’m not going to give up now” situations.

So far, I’m not convinced that the additional hassle is worth the benefit – I had more punctures with the Pro Ones in a few months than I did with two winters’ worth of riding on GP 4 Seasons. 

 

Thanks for your honesty. I’m moving towards sticking with my 4 seasons! They’re just so tight on the wheel! I run 4000SIIs on my other bikes and roll them on by hand easily. 

[Markopic]

sw600 wrote:

Markopic wrote:

Forget about race tires for winter/wet riding.

I ride about 200km/week in all kind of weather and all kinds of roads, so here is my experience:

– Conti GP4000S2/28mm – great and fast tire on dry road, on wet all kind of debris sticks in and I have got several punctures in week or two until I removed them. They measure 30mm

– Conti 4season/28mm – not so fast and “compliant” as 4000S2, but much more puncture resistant. I have them on my road bike, but I clean the debris that sticks in every week or two.

depends wht you mena by ‘race’ tyres I guess, YMMV but I have GP4000 on both summer bike (25mm) and winter bike (28mm). I’ve done over 8000k in the last 12 months and only 1 puncture. Had Schwalbe one before that, had less success with those, but mostly pinch flats which presumably you could effectively eliminate with tubeless.

 

Sorry, for me, race tires are the ones directed towards speed and low weight, not the puncture protection.

Did you use GP4000 in the rain/wet roads? I had no problems with winter temperatures, only with debris that would cut tires and stick in them on the wet.

[hawkinspeter]

rutland wrote:

I’ve done about 1,000km on 25mm Pro One Evo MicroSkin TL tyres tubeless on Pacenti SL23 v2 rims (20.2mm internal width). They are light, around 270g, and at 70 psi they measure 28.9mm on those Pacenti rims. I didn’t have any punctures and they felt great in the dry. However, on wet and greasy country lanes they were not so good. The back stepped out on me a few of times and I had to quickly catch the front when cornering occassionally.  Dropping them to 65 psi helped, but it still didn’t instill huge confidence when cornering on wet lanes.  I’ve since switched to IRC Formula Pro RBCC 28mm, which, so far, have been much more impressive in the wet. These are a bit heavier @ ~ 305g and come up true to size, 28mm, on the same Pacenti SL23 rims.

I’ve found the same with the 25mm Pro Ones and have just ordered a pair of IRC 28mms.

[sw600]

Markopic wrote:

Forget about race tires for winter/wet riding.

I ride about 200km/week in all kind of weather and all kinds of roads, so here is my experience:

– Conti GP4000S2/28mm – great and fast tire on dry road, on wet all kind of debris sticks in and I have got several punctures in week or two until I removed them. They measure 30mm

– Conti 4season/28mm – not so fast and “compliant” as 4000S2, but much more puncture resistant. I have them on my road bike, but I clean the debris that sticks in every week or two.

depends wht you mena by ‘race’ tyres I guess, YMMV but I have GP4000 on both summer bike (25mm) and winter bike (28mm). I’ve done over 8000k in the last 12 months and only 1 puncture. Had Schwalbe one before that, had less success with those, but mostly pinch flats which presumably you could effectively eliminate with tubeless.

 

[Markopic]

Forget about race tires for

Forget about race tires for winter/wet riding.

I ride about 200km/week in all kind of weather and all kinds of roads, so here is my experience:

– Conti GP4000S2/28mm – great and fast tire on dry road, on wet all kind of debris sticks in and I have got several punctures in week or two until I removed them. They measure 30mm

– Conti 4season/28mm – not so fast and “compliant” as 4000S2, but much more puncture resistant. I have them on my road bike, but I clean the debris that sticks in every week or two.

– Schwalbe G-Ones – have them on my mauntain bike (in 27,5×2,8) so I do not know how my expirience relates to G-One speed, but these are very fast tires that provide great grip in dry and wet. Puncture resistance is not so good, but the tire is light and easy to fit tubeless.

– Schwalbe Marathon supreme/35mm – I use them on my winter/rain bike for two seasons, no punctures so far (not a tubeless setup), great grip in dry and wet, and no debris in tires, they look as good as new. They are not light (listed at 440g for 35mm, there is 32mm available), but they roll well.

I would reccomend to go with largest tire that you can fit with good puncture protection, and go with the lower pressure (around 60psi), you will be surprised how fast you can go on poor roads.

[rutland]

‘ve done about 1,000km on

I’ve done about 1,000km on 25mm Pro One Evo MicroSkin TL tyres tubeless on Pacenti SL23 v2 rims (20.2mm internal width). They are light, around 270g, and at 70 psi they measure 28.9mm on those Pacenti rims. I didn’t have any punctures and they felt great in the dry. However, on wet and greasy country lanes they were not so good. The back stepped out on me a few of times and I had to quickly catch the front when cornering occassionally.  Dropping them to 65 psi helped, but it still didn’t instill huge confidence when cornering on wet lanes.  I’ve since switched to IRC Formula Pro RBCC 28mm, which, so far, have been much more impressive in the wet. These are a bit heavier @ ~ 305g and come up true to size, 28mm, on the same Pacenti SL23 rims.

[CasperCCC]

I’ve just spotted your

I’ve just spotted your comment about high pressure pumps in your original post.

I’ve not managed to get any tubeless road tyre inflated with a track pump. I ended up buying one of these: http://www.airshotltd.com/ . That does the job pretty effectively.

Truth be told, I’m mostly sticking with tubeless out of stubborness. One of those “I’ve spent the money, so I’m not going to give up now” situations.

So far, I’m not convinced that the additional hassle is worth the benefit – I had more punctures with the Pro Ones in a few months than I did with two winters’ worth of riding on GP 4 Seasons. 

[CasperCCC]

MrMajic wrote:

Thanks all, has anyone any experience of theses: Schwalbe Pro One Evo MicroSkin TL?

They’re supposed to be a bit harder wearing than the G ones version.

 

Those are the ones that I used. I’m sure they’re nice race-day tyres, but I found them way too delicate for anything more than that.  

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