Tubeless Road Tyre Advice Please

Welsh boy wrote:

If you are asking for advice, mine would be dont bother with road tubeless.  I tried it last winter, a thorn sized puncture which didnt seal and a small cut (probably about 2mm) which, again, didnt seal, both in Schwalbe Pro One tyres ruined £60 worth of tyres in about 400 miles.  When they were still on the bike (they are now obviously in the bin) the ride was nothing special either.  All things considered, an expensive experiment which I cannot recommend to anyone.

Did you put 60-70 mil of sealant per tyre. Alot of people scale down the amount from MTB size thinking it will be fine. If you put 30 or less then that was your problem and compromised the sealing ability.

I did an 80 miles ride on my tubular wheelset and got a puncture somewhere, now it could of been in first mile or the last but the point is, I only noticed this sealed puncture after I had finished an 80 mile ride. Even now the tyre has held pressure.

[/quote] Did you put 60-70 mil of sealant per tyre. [/quote]

Yep, full quantity of sealant.  It makes a mess of your frame when it comes out of the hole too.

Welsh boy wrote:

If you are asking for advice, mine would be dont bother with road tubeless.  I tried it last winter, a thorn sized puncture which didnt seal and a small cut (probably about 2mm) which, again, didnt seal, both in Schwalbe Pro One tyres ruined £60 worth of tyres in about 400 miles.  When they were still on the bike (they are now obviously in the bin) the ride was nothing special either.  All things considered, an expensive experiment which I cannot recommend to anyone.

So, you binned perfectly good tyres when all you needed to do was either patch the holes from the inside of the tyre or put a tube in? And on this basis you don't recommend going tubeless...

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So, you binned perfectly good tyres when all you needed to do was either patch the holes from the inside of the tyre or put a tube in? [/quote]

Do you really think that I binned a perfectly good tyre?  Of course I tried patching it but it was like a letter S even with a patch on the inside. My recommendation is on the overall experience taking into account cost, puncture resistance (or lack of it on two ocassions) and ride quality before they failed.  My comments are based on real life experience and not assumptions or opinions formed by reading reviews or other people's opinions.

Markopic wrote:

Forget about race tires for winter/wet riding.

I ride about 200km/week in all kind of weather and all kinds of roads, so here is my experience:

- Conti GP4000S2/28mm - great and fast tire on dry road, on wet all kind of debris sticks in and I have got several punctures in week or two until I removed them. They measure 30mm

- Conti 4season/28mm - not so fast and “compliant” as 4000S2, but much more puncture resistant. I have them on my road bike, but I clean the debris that sticks in every week or two.

depends wht you mena by 'race' tyres I guess, YMMV but I have GP4000 on both summer bike (25mm) and winter bike (28mm). I've done over 8000k in the last 12 months and only 1 puncture. Had Schwalbe one before that, had less success with those, but mostly pinch flats which presumably you could effectively eliminate with tubeless.

sw600 wrote:

Markopic wrote:

Forget about race tires for winter/wet riding.

I ride about 200km/week in all kind of weather and all kinds of roads, so here is my experience:

- Conti GP4000S2/28mm - great and fast tire on dry road, on wet all kind of debris sticks in and I have got several punctures in week or two until I removed them. They measure 30mm

- Conti 4season/28mm - not so fast and “compliant” as 4000S2, but much more puncture resistant. I have them on my road bike, but I clean the debris that sticks in every week or two.

depends wht you mena by 'race' tyres I guess, YMMV but I have GP4000 on both summer bike (25mm) and winter bike (28mm). I've done over 8000k in the last 12 months and only 1 puncture. Had Schwalbe one before that, had less success with those, but mostly pinch flats which presumably you could effectively eliminate with tubeless.

 

Sorry, for me, race tires are the ones directed towards speed and low weight, not the puncture protection.

Did you use GP4000 in the rain/wet roads? I had no problems with winter temperatures, only with debris that would cut tires and stick in them on the wet.

rutland wrote:

I've done about 1,000km on 25mm Pro One Evo MicroSkin TL tyres tubeless on Pacenti SL23 v2 rims (20.2mm internal width). They are light, around 270g, and at 70 psi they measure 28.9mm on those Pacenti rims. I didn't have any punctures and they felt great in the dry. However, on wet and greasy country lanes they were not so good. The back stepped out on me a few of times and I had to quickly catch the front when cornering occassionally.  Dropping them to 65 psi helped, but it still didn't instill huge confidence when cornering on wet lanes.  I've since switched to IRC Formula Pro RBCC 28mm, which, so far, have been much more impressive in the wet. These are a bit heavier @ ~ 305g and come up true to size, 28mm, on the same Pacenti SL23 rims.

I've found the same with the 25mm Pro Ones and have just ordered a pair of IRC 28mms.

MrMajic wrote:

 

Thanks for your honesty. I’m moving towards sticking with my 4 seasons! They’re just so tight on the wheel! I run 4000SIIs on my other bikes and roll them on by hand easily. 

Agreed completely, I have made a scratch on my rim when I was putting them on, I was so out of my mind after trying to fit one tire for more than a hour, so I used metal tyre spanner to put it on.

These stay on those wheels until they are so worn out that I can cut them off.

MrMajic wrote:

Thanks all, has anyone any experience of theses: Schwalbe Pro One Evo MicroSkin TL?

They're supposed to be a bit harder wearing than the G ones version.

Those are the ones that I used. I'm sure they're nice race-day tyres, but I found them way too delicate for anything more than that.