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Disc Brakes for Pro Peloton

Interesting article - http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/01/tour-of-flanders-to-trial-disc-brakes/

When choosing my new bike I tried a disc brake one and did not like it. Think they are ugly and I am very comfortable with caliber brakes. However they have to sell us something new and this is it.

Once the pro peloton has them then callipers (except for Campag of course) will slowly die out at the top and medium end bikes.

Is it progress ?

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unistriker replied to hsiaolc | 9 years ago
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sounds cool, I agree, there are no massive mountains in the west midlands. I would prefer the aesthetics of smaller rotors over the heat dissipation of larger rotors.

Smallest i see you can buy is 140mm? still seems too large.

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sergius | 9 years ago
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I'm just waiting for people like Canyon to get with the programme and release a bike with disc brakes.

My next bike needs to be hydraulic discs + Ultegra Di2. Once someone puts together a decent package with those two at around the £3k mark I suspect they will do very well.

I've got the cash for my next bike just sitting there waiting, but no way I'm upgrading to something that's not a major step forward from my current bike.

Back more on topic, I was horrified at the brakes on my road bike when I switched from MTB to road. I recall a particularly wet Wiggle Up and Downs sportive last year - it felt dangerous doing a number of the descents in that atrocious weather with caliper brakes.

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hsiaolc replied to sergius | 9 years ago
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sergius wrote:

I'm just waiting for people like Canyon to get with the programme and release a bike with disc brakes.

My next bike needs to be hydraulic discs + Ultegra Di2. Once someone puts together a decent package with those two at around the £3k mark I suspect they will do very well.

I've got the cash for my next bike just sitting there waiting, but no way I'm upgrading to something that's not a major step forward from my current bike.

Back more on topic, I was horrified at the brakes on my road bike when I switched from MTB to road. I recall a particularly wet Wiggle Up and Downs sportive last year - it felt dangerous doing a number of the descents in that atrocious weather with caliper brakes.

I waited for Canyon for few years. Have emailed them to get on with the program but still no show. I ended up with Rose Xeon DX with Di2 and Shimano Hydro disc. I love my ride.

Same here I cam from MTB to road and felt the caliper way too dangerous on the road when in the wet. I can tell you that I am a lot more confident on the road with braking and every time I get into a tight situation it reminds me it used to make me sweat that I might end up injured on the road.

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CharlieTwoWheels replied to hsiaolc | 9 years ago
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Hi Sergius, Just reading your post and thinking of getting the Rose CDX carbon disc frame with SRAM.
I'd really like to hear your thoughts on the frame. Quality/ride/comfort.
thanks

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sergius replied to CharlieTwoWheels | 9 years ago
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CharlieTwoWheels wrote:

Hi Sergius, Just reading your post and thinking of getting the Rose CDX carbon disc frame with SRAM.
I'd really like to hear your thoughts on the frame. Quality/ride/comfort.
thanks

When it turns up (June!) I'll be more than happy to provide some feedback. My main annoyance at the moment is that it was entirely unclear until the order was placed that it would be such a long wait. I suspect I'll get over that when it finally does arrive though.

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CXR94Di2 replied to sergius | 9 years ago
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sergius wrote:

I'm just waiting for people like Canyon to get with the programme and release a bike with disc brakes.

My next bike needs to be hydraulic discs + Ultegra Di2. Once someone puts together a decent package with those two at around the £3k mark I suspect they will do very well.

I've got the cash for my next bike just sitting there waiting, but no way I'm upgrading to something that's not a major step forward from my current bike.

Boardman CXR 9.4Di2 =£3K  1

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crikey | 9 years ago
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I wish that they'd get on with it to stop all the bloody whinging about discs; I fail to see why it's such an interesting subject.
It's a different way of slowing down; why all the fuss?

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ianrobo | 9 years ago
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you may be right on Carbon but mine are not that. But now that I have brought the bike I guess by the next time I am ready for the new one it will be disc.

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hampstead_bandit | 9 years ago
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hated the idea of disc brakes on road bikes (I am a mountain biker) but then rode one, properly.

Then got a disc brake road bike. And rode it in some very bad weather conditions. Truly, a revelation. Frame was 300 grammes lighter than my previous caliper brake road bike frame (Tarmac SL4). Fork was also 40 grammes lighter.

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I don't even look at caliper brake road bikes with any interest, any more.

Disc brakes are the future for road bikes, when done properly (hydraulics, mounted to a specifically designed i.e. not 'adapted with mounts' frame/fork).

Its not just about the brakes, it means the frame design can be freed up, and the wheel rims don't wear out as you ride, meaning carbon wheels make real sense.

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joemmo replied to hampstead_bandit | 9 years ago
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hampstead_bandit wrote:

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I don't even look at caliper brake road bikes with any interest, any more.

Disc brakes are the future for road bikes, when done properly (hydraulics, mounted to a specifically designed i.e. not 'adapted with mounts' frame/fork).

Its not just about the brakes, it means the frame design can be freed up, and the wheel rims don't wear out as you ride, meaning carbon wheels make real sense.

Same here. I won't buy another bike with rim brakes. As an engineering solution they are only one step above jamming your foot onto the tyre to slow the bike down. Ok, maybe 2 steps but still a pretty crude device.

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Simon E replied to joemmo | 9 years ago
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joemmo wrote:

Same here. I won't buy another bike with rim brakes. As an engineering solution they are only one step above jamming your foot onto the tyre to slow the bike down. Ok, maybe 2 steps but still a pretty crude device.

Good description. Rim brake performance is crude and, when wet or dirty, unpredictable and ineffective. One of the big advantages of disc brakes is consistency in varying conditions.

I don't understand the "ugly" tag people apply to discs, it's just what you think of as 'normal'. People don't like change, many slagged off compact road frames for a while, for instance.

Adoption of the technology by the pro peloton is not driving this, it's customers. Once the pro riders use them too then the arguments for rim brakes disappear, allowing manufacturers to go disc-only. My next road bike is going to be disc braked regardless of what the professionals ride.

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portec replied to Simon E | 9 years ago
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Simon E wrote:

My next road bike is going to be disc braked regardless of what the professionals ride.

For many of us it's not about "what the professionals ride". And the implication of vanity being the reason we choose certain technology because the pros use it is not true in the case of disc brakes either. It's about the UCI rules. Those rules apply to everybody who races at any level. Even as a has-been cat 3 racer nowadays I don't have the option of buying a bike with discs if I want to race.

Personally I like the idea of disc brakes and when the industry gets close to deciding on a standard that will help. Although I think we'll always have changing standards as we do for bottom brackets. But by far the biggest reason for disc brakes not being more widely adopted is UCI rules.

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wycombewheeler | 9 years ago
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No difference in the dry. Try again when its wet. Also disc brakes a huge improvement on rim brakes on carbon rims.

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ianrobo | 9 years ago
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when I tried the bike with discs and OK a small test run I felt no real difference to what I was used to. Therefore stick to what I know plus the atheistic of them.

I am certainly no tech luddite at align what I like and have just in this case for me personally even on a brand new bike discs were not the option.

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fukawitribe | 9 years ago
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Do you mind if ask but.. did you not like them because you were 'comfortable' with rim brakes and thought the discs were ugly , or because you thought they weren't good brakes ? Your bike so your choice, but just interested.

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hsiaolc replied to fukawitribe | 9 years ago
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fukawitribe wrote:

Do you mind if ask but.. did you not like them because you were 'comfortable' with rim brakes and thought the discs were ugly , or because you thought they weren't good brakes ? Your bike so your choice, but just interested.

Who cares what he likes or not? He is one of those who I consider IQ of zero and worst is that a few more years down the line he will be using one with disc brakes.

Like another said disc is far superior than caliper. I commute to work and I can assure you after I switched to disc (something I waited for years) and finally done so it is light and day. Now braking gives me a smile on my face.

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portec replied to hsiaolc | 9 years ago
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hsiaolc wrote:
fukawitribe wrote:

Do you mind if ask but.. did you not like them because you were 'comfortable' with rim brakes and thought the discs were ugly , or because you thought they weren't good brakes ? Your bike so your choice, but just interested.

Who cares what he likes or not? He is one of those who I consider IQ of zero and worst is that a few more years down the line he will be using one with disc brakes.

Easy now, hsiaolc. He only asked a question. No need to resort to personal abuse. Sheesh, the disc brake debate is deteriorating into the same religious, vitrioloc shout-fest as the helmet debate. Let's just try to discuss this in a mature, civilised manner, as most folks on here have been.

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ianrobo replied to portec | 9 years ago
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Of course I will be using discs on my next bike, that is almost inevitable. Glad to see he thinks I have a low IQ, must wonder how I survived in life eh ?

For my new bike I had the choice of the two but the disc were on a more expensive 2015 version of the same bike and I did not think it justified the cost.

Who knows in 3/4 years time what the situation will be then ? Technology moves so quick only a fool is glued to one tech over another. I a real comfortable using callipers, never had an issue and despite doing 7K on my bike last year never even had to change the pads.

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Simon E replied to ianrobo | 9 years ago
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portec wrote:

He only asked a question. No need to resort to personal abuse.

That kind of sh*t seriously devalues their contribution to the point where I don't bother reading anything else they say.

ianrobo wrote:

Who knows in 3/4 years time what the situation will be then ?

With that kind of thinking you could put off many purchases, possibly indefinitely, and never experience the benefit.

Even if a new caliper mounting system is established current brake types will still be replaceable if needed. I'm a true tightwad but I'd stump up and pay the extra for disc as the benefits outweigh the initial cost.

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ianrobo replied to Simon E | 9 years ago
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Simon E wrote:

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Even if a new caliper mounting system is established current brake types will still be replaceable if needed. I'm a true tightwad but I'd stump up and pay the extra for disc as the benefits outweigh the initial cost.

this is what I weighed up and I concluded at this time the benefits for someone like me was not really worth it.

In other areas like Garmin stuff, PM, type of bike etc I weigh each up as similar.

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fukawitribe replied to Simon E | 9 years ago
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Simon E wrote:
portec wrote:

He only asked a question. No need to resort to personal abuse.

That kind of sh*t seriously devalues their contribution to the point where I don't bother reading anything else they say.

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WTF ? As the person who wrote the question can I now ask you what on earth you thought I was getting at and why the fuck you think it was some 'kind of sh*t' that 'seriously devalues [my] contribution'. Frankly I don't care whether or not you 'don't bother reading anything else say' but it beggars belief you found something in there that let you know my position on discs one way or the other.

Simon E wrote:
ianrobo wrote:

Who knows in 3/4 years time what the situation will be then ?

With that kind of thinking you could put off many purchases, possibly indefinitely, and never experience the benefit.

Even if a new caliper mounting system is established current brake types will still be replaceable if needed. I'm a true tightwad but I'd stump up and pay the extra for disc as the benefits outweigh the initial cost.

So would I, I happen to be pro-disc due to my experiences with them on and off road. I just wanted to get the OP to clarify why they didn't like discs as I was thinking it had little to do with a realistic test in mixed conditions - which is sort of the point of discs over rim brakes. That said, if they say they just don't like them, that's fine too, it's their bike and their money.

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rogermerriman | 9 years ago
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Sooner or later it will happen disks on road bikes that is, the crux for pro bikes is probably some sort of standard/s so they have neutral support.

mind you the pro's probably have the least to gain, compared to commuters/club riders etc.

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barbarus | 9 years ago
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Do we have to do this again?

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ianrobo | 9 years ago
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unless the teams or some of them have them already. Do FSA have them as they are rumoured to be making some moves into the Peloton soon ?

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Chasseur Patate | 9 years ago
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Campagnolo do have hydraulic disc brakes, they just haven't gone to market yet.

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crazy-legs replied to Chasseur Patate | 9 years ago
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Chasseur Patate wrote:

Campagnolo do have hydraulic disc brakes, they just haven't gone to market yet.

So er, they don't have them...
They're *working on* hydraulic disc brakes but Campag themselves said 2016 before it's ready for use.

Originally, the UCI said Paris Roubaix 2016 as the test event for disc brakes, presumably to allow all the teams to have a disc brake option and because Paris Roubaix already uses very specific bikes.

I think it's too short notice for teams to prep bikes up for a race in 2 months time.

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