Today in our Near Miss of the Day series, we have a very close pass on a pair of cyclists involving an HGV – but police said that they were unable to take action, because the lorry driver is foreign.
The road.cc reader who sent the clip in told us that the incident took place on 22 September just outside Rugby in Warwickshire.
“I did submit the video evidence to Police but was informed that because it was a foreign driver, they had no means of tracing them,” she said.
“This is a dreadful excuse and imagine if someone is killed or injured by a foreign driver?
“This lorry passed my friend and I (who were riding single file) so close, I felt the heat from the lorry as the trailer passed me.”
It does strike us a strange approach from police – certainly we are aware of a number of court cases down the years in which the fact the driver is not a British national, or the vehicle being driven is on foreign plates, has not made a difference to a successful prosecution?
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37 thoughts on “Near Miss of the Day 691: Close pass lorry driver not prosecuted due to foreign plates”
Thank God we took control of
Thank God we took control of our borders and voted for Brexit.
IanMK wrote:
I think you’ll find it’s all the fault of the EU – for not joining the UK when we moved into the sunlit uplands and took control of our laws.
chrisonatrike wrote:
— chrisonatrikeEven with the current customs restrictions, export of unicorns to the EU is up 100000000000000%. At least.
Correct. That’s why the
Correct. That’s why the majority did, and why an even bigger majority now favour staying out.
Democracy, eh? I know that you hate it when the little people don’t do what the clever people like you tell them that they should do.
Guess you’re just going to have to suck it up.
Happy New Year.
Flintshire Boy wrote:
Ah – but the majority where? The “little people” in Scotland – where I stay – did not…
Anyway everyone is now “sucking it up”, same as when we joined! The question is – can we get the folks in Westminster (or indeed Holyrood) to do things in our favour any more effectively than those in Brussels?
Flintshire Boy wrote:
Deltapoll October 2021: 45% of Britons would vote to remain if there was another referendum, 36% would vote leave.
Statista December 2021: 49% of Britons think it was wrong to leave the EU, 38% think it was right.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/987347/brexit-opinion-poll/
YouGov December 20 2021: Was the UK right or wrong to leave the EU: 49% wrong, 39% right.
Savanta November 2021: 10% of people who voted leave now favour rejoining, 53% overall want to rejoin, 47% stay out.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-rejoin-eu-shortages-polls-b1956786.html
Savanta January 1st 2022: What would you vote if a new referendum was held: 51% rejoin, 49% stay out.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-boris-johnson-lies-b1980372.html
Why are you lying?
Not to mention that many of
Not to mention that many of the costs and burdens have yet to come into force. A lot of the border checks and customs requirements start coming in this year.
Mobile roaming charges coming back in from end Jan.
What an utter shambles. So many morons in this country.
Flintshire Boy wrote:
Seems a bit patronising and belittling of the 51% of those that voted to leave to describe them as somehow lesser. Certainly, not something that I would suggest.
Actually I was quite open to the idea of Brexit until the arguments for it turned in to a racist shit show rather than discussing econonomic & political advantages. I would still be encouraged if Brexit meant increasing standards or that global corporations, Google, Amazon Starbucks etc were made to pay their way or even if we used an independant taxation system to transform the country to becoming greener – eg the higher taxation of fast fashion. Alas no, keeping the foreigners out still seems to be the main agenda.
IanMK wrote:
You take that back. The true principles are of a loftier goal, that of disaster capitalism. The racism is just the sugar-coating….
I had never come across the
I had never come across the term disaster capitalism so I’m now up to speed, thanks for that Captain.
Does not being as clever as Flintshire Boy thinks I am make me one of the little people
#dontlookup
“Actually I was quite open to
“Actually I was quite open to the idea of Brexit until the arguments for it turned in to a racist shit show rather than discussing econonomic & political advantages. I would still be encouraged if Brexit meant increasing standards or that global corporations, Google, Amazon Starbucks etc were made to pay their way or even if we used an independant taxation system to transform the country to becoming greener – eg the higher taxation of fast fashion. “
All of that was totally possible and doable without leaving the EU.
joe9090 wrote:
And quite possibly more doable by being in the EU, on account of the disproportionate influence the UK had in the EU (compared to its population size).
The arguments inevitably degraded into xonophobic rants instead of rational advantages on account of the complete lack of the latter.
GMBasix wrote:
Shhh, doesn’t fit into the narrative about poor Little Britain being pushed around by the horrible foreigners.
The thought of UK leading and influencing as part of Europe is not the kind of thing they want to hear. Kind of makes it look a bit stupid to have stomped off with the football. That we then had to return…
You are either very crap at
You are either very crap at satire, or I rather fear just a toxic and not very nice commenter. If so, you self-identify as a little person quite accurately.
Flintshire Boy wrote:
That is a very slanted view of both the original 27% of the UK population that voted to leave in 2016 and a sample of 2,333 people (of whom, those who do not support rejoining are Remain voters who are probably sensing the further distruction of society by the disingenuouse representatives who led the 2016 Leave campaigns).
Right(!) And you voted to leave because it was your very own bright idea(!)
This is a variation on “you lost, get over it”. We’ve all lost, but some of us realise it.
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Ha! The one place you are [i]100% guaranteed[/i] to get your number plate scanned, logged and read is at a ferry port or the Chunnel. How hard can it be to have the vehicle refused passage until the driver has reported to a police station in Warwickshire for interview?
Sriracha wrote:
That assumes they haven’t already left the country by the time the incident had been reported and processed, which it seems quite likely they had, given the nature of their work.
The offence is comitted by
The offence is comitted by the driver and not the vehicle. And so if the same reg re-enters Britian you cannot assume it is the original perp.
joe9090 wrote:
True, but if the UK insurers contact the insurers of the foreign registered vehicle and those insurance refuse to pay out, then the vehice is essentially not insured to be driven on UK roads. And therefore it would be valid to refuse subsequent entry.
But couldn’t they plead
But couldn’t they plead exceptional hardship affecting the owner of the items in the lorry, who through no fault of their own etc. etc.?
What we need is some top
What we need is some top lawyer then to bring forward a change in the law so that these drivers have to wear a tabard with a unique identifying number on it. (After all many delivery people already wear hi-vis). That’ll have ’em bang to rights!
The police can’t prosecute
The police can’t prosecute for the simple reason they don’t want to prosecute. There’s always a dodge to hand for the police. Their usual means of ‘dealing’ with cases like this- either nothing or words of advice- remained possible, but they couldn’t be bothered so resorted to the standard issue ‘foreign driver’ dodge
It does make you wonder …
It does make you wonder … no one can be above the law, so if the police are saying that the law can’t touch foreign drivers, how can they be allowed into the country? Or, just maybe, the police are in dereliction of their duty.
Exactly – classic ‘can’t be
Exactly – classic ‘can’t be arsed’ attitude.
It’s always boiled my piss that UK drivers get chased for speeding and RLJ infractions when back in the UK, but EU drivers can get away with just about anything if they come here as our lot can’t be bothered.
This doesn’t surprise me. It
This doesn’t surprise me. It’s so much harder for the police to deal with a foreign driver, they would only pursue them if it was a very serious charge. A traffic offence like this would not be enough to prevent the driver leaving the country to evade justice. Still stinks though.
There’s such a shortage of
There’s such a shortage of HGV drivers after Brexit, they don’t want to lose another; unlike cyclists, who are expendable. [?]
eburtthebike wrote:
There’s a shortage in the EU too, because of Brexit? No. Move on FFS.
It is not a new thing. Loads
It is not a new thing. Loads of stories about similar things in the past where drivers have got away with bad driving here and on the continent because they were from a different country. However I do expect it would be even harder now to try to trace things even if they wanted to.
I would think the same. In
I would think the same. In the early days of the EU the Dutch used to complain that the Germans would visit their seaside resorts and park illegally because they could drive back to Germany and could not be traced. Over time I believe that this changed with better cooperation between member states. Now we are out?
Its not an EU thing. They are
Its not an EU thing. They are 1-1 agreements between different countries. The UK regfused to cooperate with all European countries before brexit anyway, and so many European countries refused to provide driver details back to the UK.
The legal process is now of course much weaker.
Nothing to see here, move along.
Many moons ago, I had a
Many moons ago, I had a foreign registered truck reverse into my car anc cause several hundred pounds worth of damage.
My insurance paid out, but was unable to obtain a settlement from the foreign insurer meaning I lost my No Claims bonus and suffered a huge increase in my premiums all as a result of damage caused in an incident that happened while I wasn’t even in the car.
And all because it a vehicle from another country … looks like some things never change.
Jetmans Dad wrote:
You would have thought that your insurers have claimed from the “uninsured drivers” fund in those circumstances…?
FFS… it’s getting a bit
FFS… it’s getting a bit predictable on here that anything and everything can be turned into a brexit argument. This, as others have pointed out, is simply a case of ‘can’t be arsed’ from the Police. Nothing new here, same as it ever was, foriegn plates/drivers = more paperwork/time/translation/hassle. Insurers will chase but often with limited results, frankly some of our continental driving friends and the businesses they work for tend not to answer letters of co-operation or simply dissapear if they get chased for a misdemeanour.
peted76 wrote:
Bloody Remoaners….
Careful now
Careful now
peted76 wrote:
That is true.
“Overseas HGV driver endangered cyclists” ≠ “Brexit bad, m’kay”
However…
Overseas HGV driver endangered cyclists. Also, Brexit stinks.
Whoosh! Well that vid cut to
Whoosh! Well that vid cut to the chase. Pretty frightening.
Did the OP get a registration number? I’m watching this on a mobile phone, so can’t tell. I would have thought that if it was worthy of prosecution (and I think it is, due to the sheer speed), then there must be a mechanism where an enquiry can be made at all ports to find out when the vehicle entered the country and if it hadn’t already left, a marker put on the system for the driver to be interviewed prior to leaving the country. But, that’s a bit of work.