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23 thoughts on “Live blog: Keeping kids safe the American way, running coach causes collision on running track (on his bike), Pontiff blags a Giro VIP pass, Dave Brailsford on Strava + more”

  1. BehindTheBikesheds
    May 16, 2018 at 8:29 am
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    You can tell government all

    You can tell government all you want but they won’t/don’t listen or action anything, ONE fucking over the top bias case involving a person on a bike and a ‘poor’ woman who was “mowed down” and they go into overdrive to get the knives out to punish, yet ignore the deaths of people on bikes every single week and the 7 serious injuries every day, most of which are at fault motorists.

    In fact they go in to victim blaming mode with their cack about left turning LGVs and publish video’s to increase the blame culture, add on plastic hat and hi-vis promotion and it’s clear they’re a bunch of scraggy c####s the lot of them.

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    • brooksby
      May 16, 2018 at 8:42 am
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      BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

      You can tell government all you want but they won’t/don’t listen or action anything, ONE fucking over the top bias case involving a person on a bike and a ‘poor’ woman who was “mowed down” and they go into overdrive to get the knives out to punish, yet ignore the deaths of people on bikes every single week and the 7 serious injuries every day, most of which are at fault motorists.

      In fact they go in to victim blaming mode with their cack about left turning LGVs and publish video’s to increase the blame culture, add on plastic hat and hi-vis promotion and it’s clear they’re a bunch of scraggy c####s the lot of them.

      — BehindTheBikesheds

      Don’t hold back, BTBS – tell us how you really feel! yes yes 

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    • hawkinspeter
      May 16, 2018 at 8:54 am
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      BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

      You can tell government all you want but they won’t/don’t listen or action anything, ONE fucking over the top bias case involving a person on a bike and a ‘poor’ woman who was “mowed down” and they go into overdrive to get the knives out to punish, yet ignore the deaths of people on bikes every single week and the 7 serious injuries every day, most of which are at fault motorists.

      In fact they go in to victim blaming mode with their cack about left turning LGVs and publish video’s to increase the blame culture, add on plastic hat and hi-vis promotion and it’s clear they’re a bunch of scraggy c####s the lot of them.

      — BehindTheBikesheds

      You’ve missed out the 40,000 people dying each year due to poor air quality in the UK.

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      • BehindTheBikesheds
        May 16, 2018 at 9:55 am
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        hawkinspeter wrote:

        You can tell government all you want but they won’t/don’t listen or action anything, ONE fucking over the top bias case involving a person on a bike and a ‘poor’ woman who was “mowed down” and they go into overdrive to get the knives out to punish, yet ignore the deaths of people on bikes every single week and the 7 serious injuries every day, most of which are at fault motorists.

        In fact they go in to victim blaming mode with their cack about left turning LGVs and publish video’s to increase the blame culture, add on plastic hat and hi-vis promotion and it’s clear they’re a bunch of scraggy c####s the lot of them.

        — hawkinspeter

        You’ve missed out the 40,000 people dying each year due to poor air quality in the UK.

        — BehindTheBikesheds

        Aye but the report is about cycling safety, as in on the road, I know that knocking on the head motoring use and other aspects in our lives can reduce the deaths/ailments suffered but this is focussing solely on road safety, well allegedly.

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        • brooksby
          May 16, 2018 at 10:00 am
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          BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

          Aye but the report is about cycling safety, as in on the road, I know that knocking on the head motoring use and other aspects in our lives can reduce the deaths/ailments suffered but this is focussing solely on road safety, well allegedly.

          — BehindTheBikesheds

          And that’s the problem: the powers that be really (probably) couldn’t care less about cycling safety – they want to restrict cycling (I believe) so as to smooth the passage for the introduction of self-driving cars.

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          • Miller
            May 16, 2018 at 10:36 am
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            brooksby wrote:

            And that’s the problem: the powers that be really (probably) couldn’t care less about cycling safety – they want to restrict cycling (I believe) so as to smooth the passage for the introduction of self-driving cars.

            — brooksby

            What you say may well be true but I suspect that self-driving cars are MUCH further away than the hype would have you believe. They might – might – become a thing on easy roads like motorways with well marked and predictable lanes but on shared-use urban roads a self-driving vehicle will be a much more difficult proposition. Not only that, the necessary sensors and computing are going to be expensive and that will hinder mass uptake.

          • Mark B
            May 16, 2018 at 12:43 pm
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            Miller wrote:

            And that’s the problem: the powers that be really (probably) couldn’t care less about cycling safety – they want to restrict cycling (I believe) so as to smooth the passage for the introduction of self-driving cars.

            — Miller

            What you say may well be true but I suspect that self-driving cars are MUCH further away than the hype would have you believe. They might – might – become a thing on easy roads like motorways with well marked and predictable lanes but on shared-use urban roads a self-driving vehicle will be a much more difficult proposition. Not only that, the necessary sensors and computing are going to be expensive and that will hinder mass uptake.

            — brooksby

            Well yes… and so it would be much easier to convert urban roads into easy roads by banning bikes and introducing jaywalking laws.

            I don’t believe this is actually what the powers that be want, yet. I would be surprised if Google etc are admitting failure yet, even in behind-the-scenes lobbying.

            But it’s a risk to be aware of for the future, certainly. Indeed, if self-driving cars that can safely mix with bicycles continue to be elusive, I can imagine there being a referendum: would you rather have self-driving cars banned and bikes allowed as now, or vice versa? And I fear we would lose that.

             

        • hawkinspeter
          May 16, 2018 at 11:00 am
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          BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

          You can tell government all you want but they won’t/don’t listen or action anything, ONE fucking over the top bias case involving a person on a bike and a ‘poor’ woman who was “mowed down” and they go into overdrive to get the knives out to punish, yet ignore the deaths of people on bikes every single week and the 7 serious injuries every day, most of which are at fault motorists.

          In fact they go in to victim blaming mode with their cack about left turning LGVs and publish video’s to increase the blame culture, add on plastic hat and hi-vis promotion and it’s clear they’re a bunch of scraggy c####s the lot of them.

          — BehindTheBikesheds

          You’ve missed out the 40,000 people dying each year due to poor air quality in the UK.

          — hawkinspeter

          Aye but the report is about cycling safety, as in on the road, I know that knocking on the head motoring use and other aspects in our lives can reduce the deaths/ailments suffered but this is focussing solely on road safety, well allegedly.

          — BehindTheBikesheds

          In my mind, pollution caused by vehicles should be considered as part of road safety. If vehicles on the road are doing something that ends up shortening people’s lives, then I’d consider it to be unsafe.

          I get your point though – I just think that not enough people are up in arms about the government’s failure to address the illegal pollutant levels.

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          • RobD
            May 17, 2018 at 8:19 am
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            hawkinspeter wrote:

            In my mind, pollution caused by vehicles should be considered as part of road safety. If vehicles on the road are doing something that ends up shortening people’s lives, then I’d consider it to be unsafe.

            I get your point though – I just think that not enough people are up in arms about the government’s failure to address the illegal pollutant levels.

            — hawkinspeter

            At least the new MOT regulations coming in this weekend should make it stricter on diesel vehicles that churn out clouds of soot, now they just have to make sure that the tests are actually being enforced as there still seems to be far too many places people can get an MOT signed off by a slightly dodgy garage, or they just don’t bother getting it tested at all.

      • Joeinpoole
        May 16, 2018 at 10:09 am
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        hawkinspeter wrote:

        You’ve missed out the 40,000 people dying each year due to poor air quality in the UK.

        — hawkinspeter

        … except that it not actually true. 

        I’ve read it’s been described as  a “zombie fact” by a senior respiratory consultant. When such a ‘fact’ gets on the internet then it can never, ever be killed. It just keeps getting regurgitated by ill-informed folk like Sadik Khan (and yourself).

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39129270

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        • hawkinspeter
          May 16, 2018 at 10:36 am
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          Joeinpoole wrote:

          You’ve missed out the 40,000 people dying each year due to poor air quality in the UK.

          — Joeinpoole

          … except that it not actually true. 

          I’ve read it’s been described as  a “zombie fact” by a senior respiratory consultant. When such a ‘fact’ gets on the internet then it can never, ever be killed. It just keeps getting regurgitated by ill-informed folk like Sadik Khan (and yourself).

          http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39129270

          — hawkinspeter

          Thanks – I just googled for a figure and accepted the figure as it had been quoted on the BBC and Guardian websites amongst others.

          So, the question remains, how many early deaths in the UK are caused by poor air quality? Does anyone know?

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        • rkemb
          May 16, 2018 at 10:38 am
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          Joeinpoole wrote:

          … except that it not actually true. 

          http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39129270

          — Joeinpoole

          The article you link indicates that the figure is a statistical estimate, sure, but not that it’s untrue.

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          • hawkinspeter
            May 16, 2018 at 10:49 am
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            rkemb wrote:

            … except that it not actually true. 

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39129270

            — rkemb

            The article you link indicates that the figure is a statistical estimate, sure, but not that it’s untrue.

            — Joeinpoole

            Here’s a GreenPeace article discussing the figures: https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2017/03/06/air-pollution-cause-40000-deaths-every-year-fact-check-linked/

            TLDR: no-one really agrees on a number.

          • rkemb
            May 16, 2018 at 12:07 pm
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            hawkinspeter wrote:

            Here’s a GreenPeace article discussing the figures: https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2017/03/06/air-pollution-cause-40000-deaths-every-year-fact-check-linked/

            TLDR: no-one really agrees on a number.

            — hawkinspeter

            THat says much the same thing: there’s a statistical model covering the number of premature deaths attributable to air pollution. The issue with the 40,000 number is that it’s bad communication of what that statistical model tells us, which is about shortening of life, not that “air pollution isn’t that bad”.

            TLDR: no-one really agrees on a number.

            — hawkinspeter

            And… that doesn’t mean that the number’s wrong and can be airily dismissed either. It just needs caveats.

          • davel
            May 16, 2018 at 2:46 pm
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            rkemb wrote:

            TLDR: no-one really agrees on a number.

            — rkemb

            And… that doesn’t mean that the number’s wrong and can be airily dismissed either. It just needs caveats.

            — hawkinspeter

            Exactly… probably between 5,000 and 60,000.

            Could be 20,000ish, could be 40,000ish.

            It’s in the ballpark, and a big number.

            Does Joe’s ‘zombie fact’ respiratory expert have some actual quotes or original research on this, or are they too busy sunning themselves in their Road Haulage Association-sponsored conservatory?

          • Joeinpoole
            May 16, 2018 at 6:56 pm
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            davel wrote:

            TLDR: no-one really agrees on a number.

            — davel

            And… that doesn’t mean that the number’s wrong and can be airily dismissed either. It just needs caveats.

            — rkemb

            Exactly… probably between 5,000 and 60,000.

            Could be 20,000ish, could be 40,000ish.

            It’s in the ballpark, and a big number.

            Does Joe’s ‘zombie fact’ respiratory expert have some actual quotes or original research on this, or are they too busy sunning themselves in their Road Haulage Association-sponsored conservatory?

            — hawkinspeter

            Here’s one article reporting the Physician’s observations;

            “Sadiq Khan’s figure on pollution deaths is a “zombie statistic and it’s simply not true,” according to a respiratory physician.

            Figures have been released claiming pollution causes almost 40,000 premature deaths a year in the UK. Air pollution is also said to cause a total 340,000 years of lost life in the UK.

            Figures originated from a Royal College of Physicians report and Mr Khan has cited the figures in announcing measures to cut pollution in London.

            But Tony Frew, respiratory physician at the University of Brighton, told Julia Hartley-Brewer this is merely an example of a “zombie statistic”, meaning “however much you try to kill it it comes back and it’s simply not true.”

            He explained that the 340,000 life years figure doesn’t equate to real life, and in reality each person loses only about three days from their lifespan as a result of pollution.

            Frew also said that the 40,000 deaths a year figure is “a guess” using information about two pollutants which overlap.

            He added that pollution levels are “illegal because we made it illegal, not because it’s dangerous.” 

             

            http://talkradio.co.uk/news/sadiq-khans-40000-pollution-deaths-year-zombie-statistic-and-isnt-true-says-respiratory

  2. rkemb
    May 16, 2018 at 10:35 am
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    Quote:

    the Government wants to know what you think will make our roads safer for cycling

    And to follow up the other comments, what, [i]again[/i]? How often does the government need to collect information on this issue before it does anything? This is at least the third call of this type I’ve come across in the last few years.

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    • brooksby
      May 16, 2018 at 12:27 pm
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      rkemb wrote:

      the Government wants to know what you think will make our roads safer for cycling

      — rkemb

      And to follow up the other comments, what, [i]again[/i]? How often does the government need to collect information on this issue before it does anything? This is at least the third call of this type I’ve come across in the last few years.

      IIRC they still haven’t done the review promised back in 2012…

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  3. brooksby
    May 16, 2018 at 12:25 pm
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    What do you think of their advice?

    That there’s fightin’ talk!

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  4. ChrisB200SX
    May 16, 2018 at 12:43 pm
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    Shouldn’t ride a bike on an

    Shouldn’t ride a bike on an athletics track, but definitely idiotic to be ambling around in the inside lanes (especially without regularly checking if anyone is coming up behind you).

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    • cqexbesd
      May 17, 2018 at 2:41 pm
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      ChrisB200SX wrote:

      Shouldn’t ride a bike on an athletics track, 

      — ChrisB200SX

      I assume he is pacing the runners (not that means he shouldn’t be keeping an eye out as well but at least he probably has a legitimate reason for cycling where he is – assuming pacing is an accepted training technique – I couldn’t run for a bus)

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  5. Joeinpoole
    May 16, 2018 at 7:15 pm
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    On the subject of historical

    On the subject of historical air pollution in London this report is well worth a read to give context to today’s issues.

    London’s air pollution, measured in ‘suspended particle matter’ (SPM), which is the stuff that does the damage, was about 30x worse in 1900 than it is today. By contrast Dehli’s air pollution today is about 25x worse than that in London.

    https://ourworldindata.org/london-air-pollution

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  6. hawkinspeter
    May 17, 2018 at 11:40 am
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    Just seen that the UK is

    Just seen that the UK is being taken to court by the EU over the air quality ‘apathy’.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/britain-government-eu-court-air-pollution-dangerous-levels-european-commission-latest-a8355711.html

    And yes, they are quoting the zombie 40,000 figure.

    Edit: The Grauniad is covering this too:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/17/uk-taken-to-europes-highest-court-over-air-pollution

    although they are using a figure of 23,500 early deaths due to NO2.

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Surreyrider 4 minutes ago

@SecretSam 2019 Tour (don't see anyone else putting their hand up to say they won it), 2021 Giro, 2019 Paris-Nice, 2019 Tour de Suisse, 2018 Tour of California. So I'd say Lesterama is about right with his burned bright comment.

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mitsky 9 minutes ago

"Over 1,000 dockless bikes seized in Westminster The authority said the bikes would continue to be removed where they caused an obstruction, with operators charged for their return." Would love to know how many motor vehicles were removed (and their "operators" charged for their return) for the same reason. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c84g1x0g0d42o

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Rendel Harris 12 minutes ago

@OnYerBike Thanks for the interesting article link (table below for any interested), as you say it does show that the top 10% of pros manage 4.63 w/kg over four hours, but that only extrapolates to 325W if the rider is 70kg, and of course a lot of them are well below that, e.g. Vinegaard 60kg so his power over four hours would be more like 279W at that w/kg. Note also that the average for the bottom 90% is "only" 3.83 w/kg, so the average 68kg (World Tour average weight) rider in that cohort would be putting out 260W over four hours. So I'd still argue that across the average of the peleton, with 10% capable of about 325W over four hours and the other 90% about 260W, a figure for the whole peleton of around 280-290W would be more realistic.

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Bernal's statement: I didn't realise he had a background in corporate communications. Seriously, though, he burned bright. It's strange now to think that back in 2019 we thought he would dominate the sport for years.

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@mitsky shurely it was at most one driver, because the red was not "established" before then...?

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A few strips of brittle and soft polystyrene that break easily are not going to stop serious injuries. They are very good at stopping low-speed crashes, bumps, and bruises, and that's it. It's amazing how many people who crash and break their helmets tell us, "Look how my helmet is broken; it definitely saved my life".

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