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@Freddy56 wrote "No ideal but it is real and now. Adapt and survive" It's a very similar situation to climate change. As a species we had a choice to reduce carbon emissions or do nothing and learn to live with consequences. We chose the latter and now we wait to see which one will kill us off first.
@Rendel Harris yes. Though apparent motivations of protestors have been ... mixed. And it's certainly *caused* fear and alarm to Jewish groups here. Hopefully the small numbers of Jewish folks attending some protests didn't feel threatened. I'm not sure I'd appreciate a few folks on such protests apparently randomly celebrating the sport of paragliding etc. any more than if a few of the "fair fuel" protestors had been making knowing references to "piano wire" or joking about mounting spikes on bumpers.
@Nigel Garage Of course you were purporting to be speaking (admittedly totally stupidly and without any justification) for disabled people, claiming that they want to "stand on their own two feet" and that they don't want to be given assistance. It's extremely telling that you claim to be speaking for "decent law-abiding citizens", so anyone who wants the disabled to get the help they need is neither decent nor law-abiding? And these people apparently "want an inclusive society without favouring one group of people over another". You can't have an inclusive society unless you make provision for those who need more assistance than others. There was a group in Europe, just under a century ago, who were very keen to emphasise that the disabled were a financial burden on the state, indeed their first steps towards "cleansing" society were to attempt to eradicate this burden. Ever heard of them? Didn't end well.
@tomlew A good point. This opinion piece seems to be complaining about how AI is being used to sell us stuff, rather than using humans to sell us stuff. AI has no impact on me enjoying cycling, how I ride, the people I ride with etc that the article says.
People are hard wired to be lazy. From an evolutionary perspective non-essential activity just gets in the way of our core function: reproduction. This is why people drive half a mile to a supermarket to get a few groceries rather than walk, they're not being lazy in the pejorative sense, they're being 'lazy' because that's our biological programming. This goes some way to explain why there's an obesity problem in a world where day-to-day activity levels have dropped off of a cliff edge as work has become a sedentary activity. What's this got to do with AI? If 'automation' has driven westerners into a sedentary existence - we don't dig, hunt, build or walk miles everyday just to be able to eat - with all the attendant health issues that have resulted, what's AI going to do to people's ability to think when it 'relieves' us of the need to exert some brain power to solve a problem or make a decision?
@Rome73 Actually this particular type of crime isn't localised (though possibly may be in this instance as there are comparatively high-crime areas not far away); of the two main areas for bikejacking, Regent's Park is surrounded by some of the most expensive real estate in the world, and the Richmond Park area is also extremely affluent, the people committing these crimes aren't locals. On a moped with the passenger hefting the bike and willing to ignore speed limits they can be the other side of London in twenty minutes, and if they are spotted by the police they can just drop the bike and escape up alleyways, across parks etc.
@tomlew Absolut! This response hits the nail on the head. The gradual encroachment then hegemony of the mass media has been a creeping sickness for millennia albeit only lately revealed as the omnipresent toxoplasmic mind-plague that it is. Few humans are left who are not utterly possessed by one variety of mad-memeplex infection or another. Consider the historical effects of mind infections such as religions and ideologies. Consider, then, the very similar effects on humans and all about them within an ecology from the various smaller mind diseases such as consumerism, motornormativity and now 1001 utterly ludicrous, but widely believed & acted upon, conspiracy theories, racist prejudies and similar flowing down the mass media rivers like turds in The Thames. No doubt websites like this and others supposedly "serving special interests" will see themselves as a boon to their readers. In fact, they're just another symptom of the general malaise of consumer-rabies. They also enjoy their own Daily Hate Mail variety of heroes and villains, just with a different slant from that gutter press rag's groupings of us vs them. And yet here we are still reading ........ and forming another klutch of daft opinions about things we actually know nothing about, of any truth or cogency.
Or they take it round the corner and bung it in the back of a mate's van, or ditch it somewhere it can be picked up later.
I'm not sure the tens are going to make a great deal of difference, to be honest.
@Defblade yes, but they have to ride the stolen bike back remember. To their manor. And they don’t want to be exposed to arrest for too long by being out and about. You nick it - and it disappears pronto. Plus, they might actually see a 10 mile cycle as a real challenge. Most crime, like this, is localised.
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The government knew full well
The government knew full well that phone driving was just as likely to kill as drink driving but imposed a much smaller punishment, a hundred pound fine and three penalty points. Understandably, most drivers took the chance, the very small chance, of being caught. Now they are so used to doing it that doubling the punishment has made no difference. The punishment should be the same as for drink driving.
And the same for hands-free, which causes exactly the same distraction as hand held.
Let’s be honest here, the
Let’s be honest here, the research shows phone use at the wheel to be more dangerous than drink driving. And texting or using a phone for Internet use is more dangerous still. The fact is that the penalties we have, six points for phone use at the wheel compared with 12 for drink driving, do not relfect the actual risk. This is part of the problem. Until the penalties match the risk, drivers won’t take them seriously. For using a phone at the wheel to make a call, the penalty should be 12 points and a 12 month ban, as for DUI. For using a phone to send texts or use the internet, the penalty should be a mandatory two year ban. Hands-free kits nee to be banned, as research shows them to be no safer. Check the TRL and FHWA or NHTSA websites. There are plenty of studies.
The police also need to be more open to receiving video use of drivers using phones at the wheel and committing other offences for charging drivers. There simply aren’t enough traffic officers, thanks to Theresa May’s budget cuts to the police.
Surely hanging onto a car to
Surely hanging onto a car to get a lift from someone you know is only a momentary lapse in concentration and not dangerous so should be totally let off, them’s the rules innit?
I just rode to the hospital for a check up appt at 4pm, wasn’t too bad going but driving tiny flakes of snow on the way back on open country roads was certainly stinging a bit so feel Kwia’s pain
Oh and still morons drive too fast and cut the corners even though the roads are slippery, fucktards!
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:
Who is it that you think got the fine?
Apart from that, it is a conscious decision by both parties.
hirsute wrote:
Oh FFS!
let me spell it out seeing as you dont ‘get it’
We often see/read the ‘momentary lapse of concentration’ defence, and judges so often like to use in summation when protecting motorists and hand out lean sentences despite having killed or maimed someone so are anything but. They are conscious decions to do something inherrantly dangerous but are glossed over massively.
Pease learn what sarcasm and tongue incheek means!
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:
Who is it that you think got the fine?
Apart from that, it is a conscious decision by both parties.
— hirsute Oh FFS! let me spell it out seeing as you dont ‘get it’ We often see/read the ‘momentary lapse of concentration’ defence, and judges so often like to use in summation when protecting motorists and hand out lean sentences despite having killed or maimed someone so are anything but. They are conscious decions to do something inherrantly dangerous but are glossed over massively. Pease learn what sarcasm and tongue incheek means!— BehindTheBikeshedsYou do post quite a number of angry posts, so it’s hard to know if you are being sarcastic. As it is, it was the driver that was fined, not the cyclist, so your orginal post doesn’t make sense.
I pretty much agree with the
I pretty much agree with the comments regarding needing proper penalties, and the need to get the resources to enforce the rules in the first place, although there are a couple of minor things
– the hands-free/hand-held thing may be a bit of a red herring as far as distraction/danger due to loss of attention is concerned; research seems to have shown it’s the amount of cognitition required during the phone use – spoken or otherwise – that looks to be the major pertinent safety factor. Similar presumably can be said about conversations in the car itself. The other wrinkle with having a phone in your hand, unfortunately not qualified that i’ve seen, is that any required interaction with the vehicle will necessarily be slower and unlikely to be as precise or controlled as it may otherwise be. Phone holders are a debate in themselves, I’d happily ban headsets and the like myself though.
– personally I have no problem with someone glancing at sat-navs on phones, when appropriate and safe, nor engaging in brief conversations when the vehicle is stationary for a period of time, e.g. at traffic lights as long as they remain aware of surroundings and act accordingly and their attention is fully on driving immediately prior to, and after, moving off. Safety is the prime concern but 2 years ban for texting Auntie Bessie to say you’ll be late, stationary with the hand-brake on in your 45 minute queue on the Portway would seem a bit harsh and un-necessary to me, .. however it’s also difficult to formulate effective rules that reflect safe-use and common sense without comprimising them.
fukawitribe wrote:
You may want to look at the studies carried out by the TRL. There is a big diference between speaking with passengers in a car and on a phone according to research. Basically, when a driver is speaking with passengers in a car and requires mental processing effort to handle a situation on the road, the person defaults to the driving task and pauses the conversatio. Conversely, when speaking on a phone and also requiring mental effort to deal with a situation in the road, the person’s brain processing prioritises the phone conversation. The TRL has a report on this and so does the NHTSA in the US and the European ETSC. Check the websites of all three.
As for using a phone while stopped in traffic, research also shows that after speaking on a phone it takes around one minute for mental processing to be able to refocus on driving. The time delay is longer for texting or Internet use. Again, the TRL, ETSC and NHTSA websites will have links to the studies into those if you want to search for them.
So yes, a two year ban for texting at the wheel would be appropriate, even in the driver is stopped in a traffic queue.
I do a lot on road safety for my job. I’m up to date with the latest research into driver distraction.
OldRidgeback, nice.
OldRidgeback, nice.