road.cc live blog: Team Sky bike build, motorist documents crap cycling with dashcam + more
Cyclists seem to be the ones likely to come off worst
Fri, Jan 05, 2018 14:45
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Sniffer 7 minutes ago
@Rendel Harris It should be simpler. In this case, and other cases where individuals drive while banned, there will be many people who know there is a banned driver behind the wheel and turned a blind eye. If we could find a way to make it culturally unacceptable the cases would drop. The change it attitudes around drink driving made a huge difference and it wasn't just the punishment. Unfortunately, we see the media run campaigns on the 'war on motorists' rather than try and change societal attitudes. The sequestration of vehicles as a punishment I think is an opportunity. Car removal, for many motoring offences and if you let a banned driver drive your vehicle I would include vehicles from employers and associates of a banned driver.
eburtthebike 43 minutes ago
"Over the course of the evening, your friend made Gabrielle Debotte write a note on her phone with a false account that she had not seen you on the day of the collision at all." I sincerely hope that friend is in police custody awaiting trial for aiding and abetting and perverting the course of justice. And I hope he gets the same judge.
wtjs 48 minutes ago
@rbrtribble All accidents including eg: a touch of a bumper should be reported to the police and an interview with a traffic cop before driving away from the scene What sort of dream world is this?! None of these fanciful wishes will happen in the car-crazed 'we'll give you a subsidy so you can drive and park everywhere with no thought to sensible fuel-conserving driving' UK. Sadly, the succession of dreadful Tory nonentity transport ministers has been followed by a succession of equally dreadful Labour ones, all desperate to avoid being accused of the 'war on the motorist'. Lilian Greenwood was charged with implementing the January 26 Government Road Safety Strategy until she was moved to be replaced by another deadbeat intent on doing nothing for fear of upsetting drivers. Labour could fight the established police strategy of ignoring and actively opposing any legislation to the benefit of cyclists, but they won't. The police are intent on protecting motorists from VED evasion, MOT offences, mobile phone offences, white line offences and most importantly cyclist-close-passing offences. I ask yet again for the evidence of effective police action against this latter offence (not the joke advice letter or joke driving course), but this evidence never appears. The obvious conclusion is that this police action does not exist.
eburtthebike 50 minutes ago
@kingleo They aren't the only ones!
Rendel Harris 55 minutes ago
@Sniffer This is why I would like to see every driving licence having a readable chip that showed the driver status and making it impossible to get fuel from a petrol station without presenting it at the pump as proof of validity. Of course there would be ways around it, getting mates to fill up the car etc, but with an estimated 650,000 unlicensed or licence suspended drivers in the UK restricting the fuel supply could do a lot to hamper them. The same chip could carry proof of insurance and MOT for the car, again, no proof, no fuel. Cut offenders off at source.
eburtthebike 1 hour ago
Whilst extreme cases shouldn't make law, this case does demonstrate that the justice system is failing to protect innocent road users. If people continually to break the law, then either the crimes aren't being detected or the punishments are not severe enough. In the case of road law, it's both, and the chances of being caught driving dangerously are miniscule, and even if caught, the offender will at most be banned, which they can and do, ignore. So how to get dangerous drivers to reform or make sure they don't drive? 1. Police on bikes. Just look at how many criminals cycling mikey has had convicted. A real police constable could do so much more. 2. When caught, immediate impounding of vehicle, rapid review by a judge, so the punishment immediately follows the crime. 3. No points on licence, no hardship pleading, just removal of licence. Three months for a first offence, then rapidly escalating to lifetime ban for the fourth. 4. Anyone caught driving whilst banned gets an immediate three month prison sentence, second offence a year, third ten years. I'm sure there are plenty of other good ways of making our roads safer by removing the incompetent and dangerous drivers, but it's a start.
Mr Blackbird 2 hours ago
Having visited Spalding several times, my greatest fear is entering some of the shops.
andystow 2 hours ago
@This Wreckage oh, I'm well aware. They still do it here in the US.
andystow 2 hours ago
@rgriffith7 I don't know where you live, but having ridden quite a bit in both the US and the UK, I'd take the UK any day.
kil0ran 2 hours ago
@davids oh yeah. It's been a long day already here. I'll see if I can edit, thanks
14 thoughts on “road.cc live blog: Team Sky bike build, motorist documents crap cycling with dashcam + more”
What a massive compilation…
What a massive compilation…..a number of incidents that could be counted on one hand.
Clearly this person needs needs to type in UK dashcams into YouTube for some real stupidity.
It does surprise me the
It does surprise me the number of people who have crap / no lights.
The last clip was a ‘yoof’ in a hoody – a user of a bicycle rather than a cyclist. But we’re all tarred with one brush!
J886atv wrote:
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/cyclist
cyclist (or cycler) [sahy-klist]
noun 1. a person who rides or travels by bicycle, motorcycle, etc.
Origin of cyclist
First recorded in 1880-85; cycle + -ist
If there’s a more narrow definition, then please do expand on it – does it depend on particular clothing, or particular type of bicycle, or is it just on whether the person is doing something you approve of?
brooksby wrote:
Exactly, how many comments here on sh#t drivers & driving, when not all of them are terrible?
Many sporting cyclist also don’t like to stop for red traffic lights, & if they do, will stop past the cycle box etc. So maybe it’s just anybody slower than them at the time?
I love my bike wrote:
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The last clip was a ‘yoof’ in a hoody – a user of a bicycle rather than a cyclist. But we’re all tarred with one brush!
— I love my bike
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/cyclist
cyclist (or cycler) [sahy-klist]
noun 1. a person who rides or travels by bicycle, motorcycle, etc.
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If there’s a more narrow definition, then please do expand on it – does it depend on particular clothing, or particular type of bicycle, or is it just on whether the person is doing something you approve of?
— brooksby
Exactly, how many comments here on sh#t drivers & driving, when not all of them are terrible?
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— J886atv
What’s this? Fellows denying the fundamentalist Blighters’ right to stereotype others on the basis of one example of the lowest demeanour!!? One feels that such denialists of this Basic Freedom To Be An Intolerant And Unthinking British Pillock should be reported to The Daily Mail, so that the denialist too can be villified with a handy Mail Hate-Them label.
Everyone knows that all teenagers, cyclists, motorists and women are Very Bad Indeed, as my Great Uncle Barmpot pointed out years ago, just before he had his apoplexy. He had other lists of Vey Bad Types, which included Those Who Begin At Calais, People From Not-Here & Anyone Disagreeing With Me. Also Wives, Neighbours and even Cats & Dogs (and Horses).
If Uncle Barmpot was alive today, he would be pleased to see that his notion is gaining ascendency, perhaps stimulating him to poop his horn gleefully whilst running over a child, a cyclist and a horse all on the same day, as that would teach them.
Cugel, sterotypically compromised in several fashions.
Cugel wrote:
Are you sure he’s actually dead, he may just be hiding in a garden shed commenting on road cc under then name Valbrona…
brooksby wrote:
Yes, I guess by definition, an irresponsible twat on a bike is still a cyclist. Just as a drunk car thief, high on drugs, driving the wrong way on a one-way street is still a motorist.
I’m just hopeful that the above descriptions do not apply to the vast majority of RoadCC readers!
J886atv wrote:
I assume by your comment that in your oppinion a cyclist is only a cyclist when they wear racing type lycra? Why have you not pulled up the articles classification of the person capturing the video as a “motorist” as he is unlikely to be wearing motor racing type gear?
J886atv wrote:
When you ride with bicycle lights you are just making drivers complacent and it makes it less safe for everyone else.
For greater safety of the cycling population you should ride without lights, in dark clothing and preferably doing a wheelie for 50% of the journey (at least)
I make no apologies for the
I make no apologies for the cyclists without lights on….but the “Cycling” infrastructure in St Neots and the county of Cambridgeshire is ….well….. Crap… if you look at the shot of the St Neots Bridge…you’ll see the painted cycle symbol in th road…. great huh….
The driver also never slowed on the last clip where the Danger triangle with cycle in it was positioned well before the bend….. when the hooded chap on the bike “rode” out in front of him, the biker should also have looked in the drivers defence…
This cycling is normal for these parts as many don’t care because they can get away with it as the Police don’t give a sh*t …I don’t condone their behaivour…and I’d sell loads more lights if they took responsibility for themselves and other road users…… Clearly too….the driver is like most of them a “Guardian of the road”….
Its worth repeating that it
Its worth repeating that it is nothing like the amount of idiots you can watch on Youtube care of dashcams, in fact I subscribe to a few channels simply because they are so entertaining both for the car drivers and bicycle riders.
On the other hand – since Christmas and every evening that I have cycled home on my regular commute I have passed by what I can only assume is someone who recently got banned from driving and thinks he’s found the perfect way to get to work – wearing a black suit and black full length raincoat and black wooly hat with his briefcase strapped onto his black bike and with no lights and what I suspect is ye olde rod brakes and down twisting country lanes that have no lighting… I wonder what he plans to do when the M6 is closed down and car rivers use the same roads as a shortcut/ratrun doing 60 odd MPH, which they regularly do despite the fact there are dire warning signs about horses and livestock dotted all over the place that they completely ignore.
That last example, I have to
That last example, I have to say that I thought the driver was travelling at a speed excessive for the roads he was driving on. This was demonstrated when we narrowly avoided an accident with teh cyclist.
The cyclist was also conducting himself in a less than exemplary manner, but that last one was a solid 50/50 IMO.
As for red light jumping, I see it all the time… mainly by car drivers who seem to believe that if a light has only just turned red, it isn’t as red as a proper red. I genuinely see little red light jumping from cyclists and those that do, generally do it a lot more safely than the car drivers I see blindly accelerating through a red light.
I have to say though, i can see no reason why you wouldn’t have lights on your bike.
Err, where’s the video?
Err, where’s the video?
Bout half way down, unless
Bout half way down, unless you’ve got an ad blocker on, then it may not be there…