A manager at a Gloucestershire company has said he is “horrified” at a video showing one of its vehicles speeding past a cyclist on the A59 at Samlesbury, Lancashire with barely inches to spare. The company, Forest of Dean Caravans, had been alerted to the video by a Twitter user who had seen it. The cyclist involved has told road.cc he believes the close pass was not only dangerous, but also deliberate.
The video, filmed at around 7.10am on Wednesday and posted to YouTube by user jthefishy, shows just how close the flatbed lorry, carrying one caravan and towing another, came to striking the cyclist. The potential consequences of that are obvious.
It’s clear the driver of the lorry saw the cyclist – the horn was sounded loudly and at length as the vehicle came up behind the rider, alarming enough in itself.
If you watch the video at work, you may wish to turn the sound down – there’s some (understandably) strong language.
In subtitles to the YouTube video, jthefishy said: “There is plenty of space and no oncoming cars etc. Other cars and wagons give me loads of space. They use the centre of the road to give me loads of space.”
He added: “Unfortunately I cannot work out his registration or company name. If anyone can help please do.”
The vehicle was quickly identified as belonging to Forest of Dean Caravans, based in Parkend, Gloucestershire.
The cyclist added: “There is an unsuitable cycle track at the side of the road which is a shared one with no rights of way and loads of lamp posts and signs in the middle of it! That is probably why he had a problem.”
This afternoon, road.cc spoke to the cyclist, named Jon, who works near the location where the close pass took place.
He told us: “When I heard the horn, I thought it was one of my mates, but when it continued I knew it wasn’t.”
Alerted by the noise to the fact something was going on, he didn’t look over his shoulder – something that could have taken him off his line – but kept riding straight on.
As the lorry went past, Jon was getting ready to put his hand out to gesticulate – luckily, though, he didn’t do that before the caravan being towed passed him.
“I’m a big bloke,” said Jon. “If it had been someone lighter, or not so good at holding their line, it could have been fatal.”
He described the driver as a “flaming idiot,” and said “I’d like to see him get points on his licence and severely reprimanded at work.”
But he said that so long as this was an isolated incident rather than repeat behaviour, he wouldn’t want to see the driver lose his job.
“I make mistakes, everyone makes mistakes, and we need tolerance on the roads,” he went on.
“But I would like to see him get prosecuted, because it was dangerous and it was deliberate,” added Jon, who believes the driver’s action was as a result of him not using the cycle path.
Jon has contacted Lancashire Constabulary to report the incident, but hasn’t heard back from them yet.
It’s the second time he’s contacted police over video footage of bad driving, and he told us on the previous occasion they did speak to the driver involved.
Mike Stead, who is on Twitter as @tweetymike, posted a message to the social network in which he described the incident as “borderline attempted murder.”
He took it upon himself to contact Forest of Dean Caravans and spoke to its transport manager, Mark Turley, who said he was “horrified” at the footage in the video.
Mr Turley added that “disciplinary action” would be taken against the driver when he returned and that the company would co-operate in any police investigation.
The family-owned firm has said that it is preparing a statement to reassure cyclists about the action it is taking.
We asked Mike why he felt compelled to act. He told us: "Social media can be great for raising awareness, but ranting/retweeting don't change much.
“Engaging with firms, helping them understand the depth of feeling and suggesting how to progress is the way to go.
“They're more likely to follow through and change or enforce policy and practice," he added.

127 thoughts on “Video: Caravan firm “horrified” after cyclist suffers shocking near-miss”
Great that the company appear
Great that the company appear to be taking the incident seriously. Drivers like that can ruin the reputation of small firms.
Incidents like that are why I’m getting a rear facing cam – hopefully it would capture the reg number and the face of the idiot driving to help with identification, etc.
gforce wrote:Great that the
I’m seriously considering a rear facing video camera as well. Any ideas on how to mount it? Would prefer on the saddle rails centrally?
Didn’t watch the video… seen enough and they’re upsetting. Good to hear the company is taking action, I’m sure their insurance company would be very interested if they didn’t.
I was going to get the fly6
I was going to get the fly6 but it doesn’t perform well in low-light situations so if that’s what you are after choose another product.
Truly terrifying. Glad the
Truly terrifying. Glad the company is going to take action. Now how about the police?…
Police are not interested,
Police are not interested, that’s official.
great stuff from Mark Turley.
great stuff from Mark Turley. Restores your faith in people.
(aside…egad, the apostrophes!!)
Like others, glad the company
Like others, glad the company is taking action. Out on a training run yesterday and it happened twice to me. I am glad to report though that the driver of the vehicle on the second occasion stopped someway in front and, when I caught up, apologised for ‘cutting me up’. It is the first time this has happened and at least there was acknowledgement that adequate clearance had not be given.
This rear facing camera is in
This rear facing camera is in the pipeline – http://www.bikeradar.com/commuting/news/article/fly6-rear-light-and-camera-combo-hunts-crowd-sourcing-cash-39917/
Worst I think that I’ve ever
Worst I think that I’ve ever seen. Amazing. I’m sure the police will act appropriately and send a sternly-worded letter to the driver. And probably one to the cyclist saying that he should have been on the cycle path wearing hi-viz.
No they won’t, the guy will
No they won’t, the guy will probably be questioned, no action taken, if it is I think it will be 3 points and £150 fine.
georgee wrote:No they won’t,
GMP wouldn’t be interested. I had a hit and run before Christmas, all caught on camera. Unfortunately I wasn’t injured so plod just checked that his papers were in order and closed it on the basis of too much else to do and some cock and bull about not enough evidence – there was plenty.
Andy G wrote:georgee wrote:No
I got hit by GMP.
They really didn’t want to take it any further.
3rd video “Decent of Parbold”
3rd video “Decent of Parbold” clearly shows the same dude pushing on, all over the road then blasting past a Micra going through a speed camera – hmm if your going to tell others off for speeding and posting their registration on line then you need to practice what you preach IMO.
andycoventry wrote:3rd video
IMO I feel complicity different to your opinion.
He is travelling faster than the motor vehicle limit. That is pretty clear, so he is taking the safest line through the corners, as no vehicle should be travelling faster than the speed limit. It is a pretty safe course to take.
Yes he past a slower car, but he did so on the outside, pretty safely if you ask me. I cannot see a problem with that video at all.
Gkam84 wrote:andycoventry
My point being he takes people to task for speeding, but posts videos of himself doing the same thing, somewhat hypocritical.
andycoventry wrote:
My point
If you could please direct up to the relevant UK legislation covering speed limits for cyclists, would be much obliged.
(noting speed is not the issue here)
andycoventry wrote:My point
It isn’t the same thing.
farrell wrote:andycoventry
Indeed, its not remotely, in any sense ‘the same thing’. One is illegal, one isn’t, one seriously endangers others one doesn’t.
Question is, was he cycling “furiously” in those videos? Speeding on a bike is not an offense, but apparently it is to cycle while furious! I think cantankerous cycling is OK though. Ditto disgruntled cycling, grumpy cycling and crotchety cycling.
andycoventry wrote:3rd video
I don’t think speed was an issue with the caravan mate, even if it were how are you able to justify that comment when there is no indication of speed in the video you have mentioned. Plus the cyclist overtook on a dashed line in a perfectly legal manoeuvre. You probably need to reconsider your argument and look at what happened in this specific incident rather than tracking back through his YouTube clips to find reasons why he is in the wrong
…learning to quote…
…learning to quote…
Christ that’s close. Whatever
Christ that’s close. Whatever punishment is heading the driver’s way it needs to be serious.
Not in the slightest
Not in the slightest surprised. That companies vehicles come past my house and I live in fear of my live if I am out on my bike. Several other roads around here are lethal because of their vehicles.
I have been forced to a stop on the bike and in the car almost every time I am passed.
Part of the issue is that they have flat bed lorries with a caravan on and then a trailer with another. The roads don’t really suit that. Can’t moan about the company as its a long standing local business that is successful.
Sadly this is not an uncommon
Sadly this is not an uncommon sight I have had it happen to me in similar circs a few times. It is extremely frightening had the cyclist moved to the right to avoid pot hole / debris etc he is dead at that speed and with a vehicle that large there is no way he will survive.
The driver and I use that term loosely is guilty of due care at the very min but proving anything more serious is a difficulty given the road traffic act etc.
The benefit for a prosecution at least is the fact it shows it clearly and more importantly as was mentioned by the cyclist there is no oncoming traffic which would have made the idiot do as he did. That said it’s still an easy case to prove as had there been any oncoming traffic he should have slowed and held back until it was safe to pass the cyclist.
Absolutely bloody
Absolutely bloody disgraceful, the driver wants banning – no excuse at all for this! I sympathise with the cyclist, I had a similar thing a year or so ago but it was a car with a young driver being a complete cock, unfortunately I didn’t have a helmet cam :”( ~X(
i was run off the road a
i was run off the road a month back by a lorry. He had followed me for about 20 seconds before pulling out to overtake, then once the front of his trailer was level with me he pulled back in. I was doing about 25mph at the time and had to ride off the road, luckily for me there was no kerb although i did poo my pants a little. i emailed the firm and got a response but as i was too busy trying to stay upright i didn’t catch his number plate so there was nothing they could do about it. As a result of this i now ride further out into the road for my own safety, this might annoy the odd driver but as least i get home alive.
Maybe he’d seen clarksons
Maybe he’d seen clarksons Give an inch video and was beeping to say thanks for keep the roads quieter?
More to the point, I was night riding this week, quiet road, but nice and wide. Man decides to overtake a tractor coming towards me, Ive got an 800 lumen light on nice and bright and he just continues to accelerate towards me.
Luckily I just squeezed down the hedge, but if we have been 2 up someone would have gone thru the screen!
Was a group ride the other
Was a group ride the other day, had a oncoming truck towing a caravan nearly jackknife in front of us as he tried to overtake and pull in too rapidly another cyclist. F**king scary! Driver just manged to pull it back in lineup. Imagine 15 cyclists maimed in one accident!
Very scary.
What do drivers
Very scary.
What do drivers like this think they are playing at? One wrong move and at best its a very serious injury, worst case death.
Doubt the driver thinks it through or gives a shit though, the police don’t seem to either.
No doubt Jeremy Clarkson would say the cyclist should have worked harder and then he could have afforded to buy a car. Cos it’s like hilarious to laugh at RTA victims. Not.
I am considering buying a
I am considering buying a caravan this spring as had one until 5 years ago and really miss the freedom. Guess where I was thinking of purchasing from? Not now, I think we should boycott these companies. I know they would argue that there going to take action against the driver, mmm hope it’s not just PR. I think it would be better if drivers were instructed before such events. 6 inches and this guy would have been dead no ifs or buts and no bringing back to life when the company apologise. IMO put theses companies out of buisness by making these events as high profile as possible , then perhaps the companies left will give cyclists thought before incidents not after.
I suspect they will sit in the office have a laugh and then tell us he has been severely reprimanded.
Well he has just lost your company about £8000.
Beefy wrote:I am considering
The boss of the company was horrified as well and has promised to reprimand the driver. You could still go in and buy your caravan and also make a point while doing so that you hope the driver has been given a final warning over this incident, and perhaps that the firm should institute cycle training for all its truck drivers. That’d be more effective overall.
You need to make sure that
You need to make sure that you tell them that – otherwise your intention won’t be nearly as effective.
Beefy wrote:I am considering
I just don’t get this. The owner has said he was horrified and will take action against his employee the driver. He may well be doing that for cynical PR reasons or he may be doing it because his insurance company would blow a gasket if he didn’t do something about the behavious of this driver. Apart from that he might just be a normal person that looked at the video and was horrified.
But if you boycott him anyway despite his proper reaction then he may as well have been a tosser about it and he’d have lost the sale either way.
If you are going to punish companies for taking the wrong attitude then you need also to reward them when they do something right.
My father played a big riole in the Anti Apartheid movement in the UK. We boycotted everything South African when I was a kid. As soon as Mandela was elected my dad made a point of buying South African fruit and wine.
Stick AND carrot.
Quote:We boycotted everything
I bet the whites in South Africa were not the ones who suffered from that.
dreamlx10 wrote:Quote:We
Good grief.
dreamlx10 wrote:Quote:We
Not old enough to remember are you? Both economic and sport sanctions were called for by ANC and COSATU. But it wasn’t black people who owned the fruit farms and vineyards. These were cash exports. Very different to stopping imports as per Iraq.
I put more store by Mandela’s an Tambo’s thanks than your comments if that’s ok?
Wasn’t my point anyway which is that you not pnly use your custom to punish but also to reward. The owner of the business could easily have said it was a police matter and not done anything.
dreamlx10 wrote:Quote:We
If you believe that, you’re an… [fill in the blank].
Beefy,
You should tell them
Beefy,
You should tell them about that £8k to their face. Let them know it won’t be going to them unless they can show you hard evidence that a) the driver has had some real kind of punishment (pay docked and/or police fine / points) b) they’ll be making all drivers, current and new, aware of how to behave safely around vulnerable road users.
Beefy wrote:I am considering
Just thought I would throw my “two penith” worth in 🙂 I work in the industry and know these guys really well. I don’t know which driver it was (but I could guess) but most of them are a good bunch. If I hadn’t seen it I wouldn’t have believed it. A big argument for cameras. I was nearly knocked off by a bus recently, and after emailing the bus company, I got the usual standard “were taking action” response. Knowing Mark, I know he will be taking this very seriously. Again, is it an argument for cameras to be in all large vehicles?
Quick advert :0 I sell caravans for Michael Jordan Caravans, some days I feel I am the most hated man on the roads. Or at least by Jeremy Clarkson 🙂
Caravans. For adventurers!
Caravans. For adventurers! Who, er, like to drag their beige home behind them. Met one last week on the M6. Middle lane naturally, being towed by a 4×4, starting to rock violently. Scared the shit out of me and the lorry driver on the inside lane. Chose to get past it and the last I saw was it finishing it’s overtaking manoeuvre and pulling in front of the lorry driver who was shaking his head from weary long term
experience.
What’s wrong with a motor home with bicycles on the back?
OK keyboard / road warriors,
OK keyboard / road warriors, let’s actually DO SOMETHING to help this along.
Traffic prosecutions almost always require an independent witness to have any hope of success, let alone initial investigation. So we need to find the driver of the following black car (a Vauxhall?) 0710 5 May Eastbound toward Skipton on the A59 – exact location is here: http://goo.gl/maps/So6nO maybe all the northern clubs/shops could spread the word? Use Facebook / whatever?
Mind you, given there’s an ANPR camera not 3 miles back (http://goo.gl/maps/j3x5X) , you’d hope Lancashire Police would have the rego sharpish.
its these punishment passes
its these punishment passes that really sh!t me up.
I can pretty take care of myself when it comes to what happening in front but the idiots behind are another thing!
been clipped by a trailer myself but it was low speed so I survived. I hope Forest of Dean Caravans have the sense to publicly repremand the driver and get the police involved.
After resisting it for a
After resisting it for a while I have relented and bought a helmet cam. Mrs Oozaveared thought I’d gone nuts until I showed her some you tube stuff particularly one where the driver is clearly at fault in minor but expensive (to the cyclist). bump. The story on the soundtrack is from the cyclist and he tells us that the driver denied liability, made all kinds of accusations about the cyclist racing along etc. It would have all been a he said / he said right up to the point where the cyclist sends the video to the insurance company. It shows that he is stationary waiting to turn right at a T junction into the main road when the driver of the car coming from the right along the main road turns right cuts the corner, brakes at the last second and ends up colliding.
The lesson I drew wasn’t that helmet cams stop this kind of nonsense, just that some drivers are prepared to lie and lie and lie about their actions when they do make mistakes and without witnesses or other kind of proof you’ll end up fighting an insurance company.
After resisting it for a
After resisting it for a while I have relented and bought a helmet cam. Mrs Oozaveared thought I’d gone nuts until I showed her some you tube stuff particularly one where the driver is clearly at fault in minor but expensive (to the cyclist). bump. The story on the soundtrack is from the cyclist and he tells us that the driver denied liability, made all kinds of accusations about the cyclist racing along etc. It would have all been a he said / he said right up to the point where the cyclist sends the video to the insurance company. It shows that he is stationary waiting to turn right at a T junction into the main road when the driver of the car coming from the right along the main road turns right cuts the corner, brakes at the last second and ends up colliding.
The lesson I drew wasn’t that helmet cams stop this kind of nonsense, just that some drivers are prepared to lie and lie and lie about their actions when they do make mistakes and without witnesses or other kind of proof you’ll end up fighting an insurance company.
Hey, I live in Canada and
Hey, I live in Canada and this incident made me angry enough to e-mail the company.
Here’s what I wrote:
Appalling driving – but
Appalling driving – but distressingly typical of what motorists get away with. But can’t really fault the response from the company. A lot better than what usually happens. Feels almost churlish to say one wants to be sure its more than just words. It does _sound_ sincere though. Maybe they have cyclists in the family?
Also – its a caravan company.
Also – its a caravan company. So I guess they have a common enemy with cyclists in the form of Jeremy Clarkson.
FluffyKittenofTindalos
I don’t think Clarkson hates cyclists anymore than he thinks Mexicans are lazy or lorry drivers are all rapists.
Clarkson is Basil Fawlty with cars and driving as a backdrop rather than a hotel. He’s just rude to everyone. It’s the gratuitous un-selfconscious totally non-PC statements that people find amusing especially in today’s ever so scripted and sensitive media world.
Taking Top Gear seriously is like criticising Basil Fawlty’s customer service and staff relations. It’s missing the point.
Lorry drivers = Excuse to say something outrageous
Mexicans = Excuse to say something outrageous
Germans = Excuse to say something outrageous
Americans = Excuse to say something outrageous
Cyclists = Excuse to say something outrageous
the clue is that you could put anything you like on the left side of the equals sign.
oozaveared
the problem is that there are too many morons who DO take him seriously and will act even more stupid than normal because they think it’s funny. Clarkson has to realise that he’s an idiot magnet and accept some responsibility for the influence he has on said idiots
Can’t moan about the company
No don’t moan at them object to their next O licence renewal to the traffic commissioners. It’s hard to deliver your products when you can’t operate transport from your yard.
Really hope the company make
Really hope the company make a public statement about this and something actually happens to the driver, either via the police or his employer, and I man actual action rather than a telling off.
I bought a helmet cam last month but haven’t bothered using it, just fitted it to my bike as I think it’s getting worse on the roads rather than better
My opinion… the company has
My opinion… the company has done nothing about it… but I hope there is a ‘yet’ to be added to this episode.
Echoing sentiments already shared, I am aware of businesses that will publicly cry foul in these situations, but internally celebrate a ‘hilarious jape’. Not all bosses/business managers are nice people, many are anything but… I hope in this case Mt Turley is genuine and takes appropriate action
However, until the ‘horrified boss’ comes back with ‘the driver in question is no longer part of this company’ I assume that the disciplinary action is no more than being forced to buy the digestive biscuits that week.
Nothing will happen as many
Nothing will happen as many times before I suspect, as has been said above, it’s easy to sound outraged in public yet do SFA after when it has all “died” down.
Shared use paths:
– they are
Shared use paths:
– they are often not maintained or gritted like roads are,
– they are often not wide enough to allow two bikes to pass safely,
– they are discontinuous and entrance and exit into them from the roads are often poorly executed,
– they are often shared by pedestrians wearing earphones, dressed in black, walking black labradors, at night with no lights (delete as appropriate),
– Many cyclists are travelling at a speed higher than that considered by DfT themselves to be safe for cycle paths, and the DfT themselves recommend cyclists stay on the road,
– They are often covered with random steaming piles of horse crap (round my way anyway)
Drivers of low intelligence, is any wonder why we don’t use them? The same reason you wouldn’t drive your beloved leased Audi A6 estate down a rutted muddy byway to get to your destination.
You have a choice, so do cyclists. F*ck off making up your own laws and stick to ones that actually exist.
I will reward a company that
I will reward a company that hasn’t been drawn to my attention because the driver doesn’t give a shit for cyclist, not the company that near killed a cyclist. It shouldn’t have happened! Other people have already said that this is how the drivers of this company behave. So why do we have to wait until it’s on video for action to happen. I don’t believe the owner didn’t know this is how his driver behaves.
That is scary. Oh how I hate
That is scary. Oh how I hate close passes and towing caravans.
It reminded me of a nasty incident in Devon some years ago following my wife on one of their busy single lane A roads.
The car came past close like in the vid. Only I banged on the window, which probably saved my life by pushing me slightly towards the kerb, so the caravan it was towing (unbeknown to me) hit my outstretched arm and not my bike or body.
In my adrenalin rush I overtook him and forced him to stop. Although I wouldn’t recommend this course of action.His passenger realised what had happened and was distraught and thus the driver was extremely sorry and I hope learned his lesson.
Happens all the time, whats
Happens all the time, whats anyone going to actually do about it?
I don’t think its as simple
I don’t think its as simple as sacking the driver for one instance – I know we would all like that to happen. But in this case there is Employment Law to think about.
I sincerely hope that the firm take action and introduce compulsory cyclist awareness training for all their drivers, and if the driver in question is given a final warning and training, who knows, he may become a disciple of cycle awareness.
In today’s competitive world of commerce this is an opportunity for the caravan firm to take the lead and turn a really bad bit of press into a great piece of PR by leading the way in cycle awareness training for wagon drivers. In a perfect world other firms would see the positive PR lead taken by firms with cycle aware drivers and to not train your drivers would leave you alienated and at a competitive disadvantage
panda1 wrote:I don’t think
How about Gross Misconduct, failure to protect the health and safety of others whilst carrying out your work duties, Health & Safety at Work Act 1974.
The driver obviously new the cyclist was there as he appears to have had his hand on the horn all the time whilst over taking.
He moved out from the kerb and then back in acknowledging the presence of the cyclist, he just didn’t give sufficient space as per the HC bearing in mind the road ahead was clear of oncoming vehicles.
For any reasonable person that would be adequate grounds for dismissal and refrral to the Police for further action.
Like it or not, Dean Forest Caravans are the driver’s employer and they bear as much responsibility as he does for his apalling behaviour.
panda1 wrote:I don’t think
Employment law allows for summary termination due to gross negligence. The driver is a professional (in the loosest sense…) driver. As he cannot, and will not (intentionally) carry out is duties in a competent manner, he can be sacked.
He also breaches health and safety law, which is meant to safeguard both employees and any member of the public encountered. Again, that’s gross misconduct.
If the company sacked the driver, I’m fairly sure they have a more than reasonable case to do so.
Scary … the driver deserves
Scary … the driver deserves to lose his job. But on another note the cyclist should have been using the cycle path to the left. Fair enough that there was enough room for the lorry to overtake safely (which it didn’t), but there will be occasions when this isn’t the case and he would have been the one having to make a dangerous manoeuvre just because you didn’t like the cycle path. If it was me, I would be avoiding mixing with traffic at every opportunity.
Email sent to company stating
Email sent to company stating my outrage, loss of sale and my hope that the police take this seriously.
I notice the resident HGV
I notice the resident HGV drivers don’t seem to be saying much. No tales of poorly lit or no hi-viz.
Sad to say this is getting more and more common. The only way to stop it is to tie said drivers to a stake as their vehicle is driven at them at speed. Make them understand how it feels.
Yorkshie Whippet wrote:I
Was that aimed at me, Yorkshire?
FWIW, I’m a firm believer in “in cab” video and telemetric recorders, not only to protect hgv drivers against malicious claims from the cash for crash merchants who see lorries as an easy target, but also to help weed out drivers whose attitude and general level of skill falls short of the standards expected. Lots of firms do this already, whether the driver is aware of it or not.
With regards to this particular incident, as with all incidents, if premeditation can be proved then the driver could, and frankly should, receive a custodial sentence. Personally, in cases where guilt can be proved, I think it’s much safer to permanently revoke someone’s licence for the common good.
But, and it is a big but….
Cyclists who are passed this close are often the victims of aggressive and unpredictable drivers who, for whatever reason, have decided they just don’t like cyclists.
So we should all recognise the need to keep calm, avoid being “tribal”, and generally try to come across as reasonable people who just happen to ride bikes sometimes. Because the press are only too keen to give the cycling community some adverse publicity. Those South African riders with the pepper spray, yesterday’s knife attack on a motorist by a cyclist in London, the guy spitting at an elderly driver in Bath, the inconveniencing of tens of thousands of residents and businesses on sportive routes, strava t**ts on shared paths and urban routes, riders with helmet cams clearly refusing to scrub off speed when the “battle” has been lost, the baying for blood in the twittersphere, the deliberate inconveniencing of motorists during mass protest rides, the high level of RLJing, and the constant jostling for advantage at the ASL that probably causes more resentment than anything else; these are perhaps reasons why this sort of “incident” is becoming more common.
It’s not an excuse for these appalling drivers, but we need to recognise the need to reduce the conflict, and Yorkshire, that includes your exhortation to tie drivers to a stake and drive at them at speed. Let’s just all keep calm, and keep our fingers crossed that the Police (and the CPS) give this incident their full consideration, that any punishment reflects the serious nature of the alleged intent if proved, and that that punishment acts as both a deterent to other drivers and an encouragement to businesses to be fastideous in their choice of driver.
I did post this about 3;30
I did post this about 3;30 but can’t see it so sorry if its a double post.
This company is a mile from me. their vehicles are lethal. I have been forced to a stop on bike, m/c and car plenty of times and touch twice on my bike. after I wrote this I emailed these facts to the company.
For what its worth the company owners will take this seriously I believe. I suspect its one driver .
I do hope his employer will
I do hope his employer will do more than put a sticker on his mirror.
Must have watched top gear
Must have watched top gear and taken the advice of giving cyclists an inch literally. The driver is clearly incompetent and or acted in complete spite and disregard of a fellow human being. In my opinion he does not deserve to keep his job and he should consider his professional future. if he gets sacked he will more likely then not end up driving trucks somewhere else. Scary
I don’t think a local
I don’t think a local business should be punished for the idiocy of its employees if the company takes proper action against transgressions when they occur. We wait to see what action they will actually take. If this driver does this task for a living then there really is only one action for such negligence and I’m sorry to say that he/she should be looking for another job. As a professional aviator, we have spies in the cockpit that are downloaded after every flight. If I was to blatantly disregard the operating procedures of the company I would lose my job. I and this driver are responsible for other peoples’ well being and if I decide to play roulette with their lives then I can expect the worst – no difference in this case. Forest of Dean Caravans MD…the ball is in your court.
Probably the worst piece of
Probably the worst piece of driving I have seen full stop!!
I feel so appalled I think that people should e-mail the company and voice there concerns as I did.
Please feel free to e-mail them at info@forestofdeancaravans.co.uk
Perhaps they will do something about it
I perceive this as a totally
I perceive this as a totally unacceptable close pass.
BUT – What is a close pass from a legal perspective?
When it comes down to it only the legal perspective matters.
Highway code 168:
You SHOULD give cyclists as much room as you would when overtaking a car.
The Met police website says (http://content.met.police.uk/Site/roadsafelondon):
Video footage:
“Occasionally, people refer us to video footage… They must not rely on a perception of distance such as a close pass as the apparent distance will vary according to the type camera and settings. There are other issues with video evidence, such as parallax error, which makes objects appear close together when they are seen in line.”
This suggests that video evidence is not enough itself to prove a close pass.
As a cyclist, if you are passed too closely by another vehicle- where do you stand in terms of the law?
What space does the law entitle me to as a cyclist and how does it define and defend this?
paulmcmillan wrote:I perceive
I think despite all that this is so obviously very close and so obviously deliberate that a charge of threatening behaviour could be made to stick, as was the case in Wales recently. That driver got six months. This one deserves the same. An incident like the one in the video would be enough to make me pack in riding.
It makes me wonder even more about some of the recent ‘low-sun’ cases of cyclists being killed, to be honest. How would we ever know if these were punishment passes like this ‘gone wrong’?
Malaconotus wrote:
It makes
This is something I worry about. The ready acceptance of weak excuses for those sort of “accidents” (especially when there’s often only one participant left to give their version) combined with the frequency of acts like the one reported here, makes one wonder. It would seem implausible that no punishment-pass had ever, in the entire history of driving, resulted in a serious accident.
The fact that these two phenomena (punishment passes and motorists mysteriously driving into cyclists from behind) both undoubtedly exist suggests to me that there’s probably some overlap and at least some of these deaths may in fact be close to murder. The trouble is without perfect video evidence we can never know which ones.
If society is going to give motorists the benefit of the doubt and accept questionable excuses for rear-ending cyclists, then it needs to seriously crack-down on those who are caught doing things like this.
They even have this in the
They even have this in the statistics somewhere, it being the accidents where the driver says that the cyclist swerved out, so they ran them down, of course if they had been leaving a gap then the typical 1foot swerve would not matter.
EMail sent.
EMail sent.
Clearly too close. But in a
Clearly too close. But in a subsequent clip, I think the cyclist undermines his case by speeding down a hill & overtaking a car. I thought the speed limit applied to bikes as well as vehicles. Regardless, the overtake was risky and does put others at risk.
Neil Smith 48 wrote:
I
As well as motorised vehicles, you mean?
And no. The speed limit applies to motorised vehicles only. Not to bicycles.
I highly doubt that he put any driver at risk. Any driver operating their vehicle safely, that is.
What I’d like to see is “Hi,
What I’d like to see is “Hi, Caravan firm here, Many apologies. We’ve started a drivers’ Awareness of Cyclists course for all drivers, and look, here on youtube is the video that we use as part of the 1 day course that is repeated every 18 months”.
On Youtube you can see one or more of Lothian Buses’ dealing-with-bikes video. Having them visible to outsiders is a good move.
“Driver disciplined” doesn’t do it. I’d be more worried by this guy now than before in fact.
I’ve had some close passes
I’ve had some close passes but this is far worse. Can’t help but feel a bit sick, and wonder about the rider’s confidence (and his family, if he dares show them this footage).
The company should sack the driver and report him to the police themselves, they’d do it readily enough if he stole company property. The bloke should not be allowed behind the wheel.
Unacceptable driving to put
Unacceptable driving to put it mildly. He is a professional driver. He gets paid to drive. His driving should be at a higher standard than people who aren’t paid to drive. He should have his licence revoked inc. his car licence. Lose his job. Be put on an anger management course. Made to sit an extended test to get his licence back and checked on at regular intervals.
But it won’t happen as it was probably just a joke. Some of you have no sense of humour.
X(
“I make mistakes, everyone
“I make mistakes, everyone makes mistakes, and we need tolerance on the roads”
In a way I admire his stoicism, but this wasn’t a mistake. It was intentional. And was so, so close to being fatal.
Sorry, but a driver who does this should simply not have a licence. This is like having a gun licence and firing a bullet an inch from someone’s head. It is entirely indefensible.
Even if he’s happy to share the road with this moron, I’m sure as hell not. Tolerance we may need, but there is no reason on this earth why I, nor anyone, should tolerate that.
I found that frightening from
I found that frightening from the safety of my sofa. I can’t believe how close the truck was. Absolutely terrifying.
He should be reported and
He should be reported and dealt with by the Police. A slap on the wrist from work won’t stop him from doing it again.
Not only is the vehicle
Not only is the vehicle purposely too close it appears to pull in to the kerb well before the the trailer clears the cyclist indicating clear malicious intent.
Neil,
No my comment was not
Neil,
No my comment was not aimed at you. This is a perfect example of how useless lights and hi-viz are. Unfortunately such near misses happen far too often for true comfort. In cab cameras are all well and good if the impact is at the front. Will they show the cyclist being sucked under the back wheels?
Preaching to the converted is ok. However until this road user is respected by other road users, it’s nothing but hot air. To be honest I couldn’t careless what measues hgv drivers need to take to protect themselves if I’m dead under their wheels because they’ve decided that ten seconds of their time is worth more than my life. I’m still waiting to see an article that reads” driver killed from impact with cyclist. ”
Maybe I should get a better job and a larger/stonger vehicle.
,The car gives ample room and
,The car gives ample room and lens not withstanding, the truck doesn’t. They both overtake on a junction though, does this not matter if the vehicle they overtake is a bike? Are bikes counted as vehicles?
If I went around the
If I went around the supermarket swinging a baseball bat inches from people’s heads i’d be arrested in seconds. What’s the difference??
Joshmo wrote:If I went around
Reminds me of this:
I’m a hgv 1 driver as well as
I’m a hgv 1 driver as well as a cyclist and there is no excuses for that kind of driving. Quite obviously done on purpose, thank god you didn’t turn around when he sounded his horn. That stretch of road is wide enough to pass a cyclist an leave a four foot gap. Your lucky your an experienced cyclist and held your line
If you think four feet is
If you think four feet is sufficient enough gap between a human being and a several tonne vehicle please think again because it is not.
northstar wrote:If you think
Four foot gap is plenty, if you need more then may be you shouldn’t be on the road.
Shep73 wrote:northstar
To be clear: the Dutch minimum and recommended separation between cyclists and 100+kph vehicles is ***10 meters***.
Meaning you will never find a Dutch cyclist being passed at four or fourteen or twenty-four feet distance by a vehicle on an open road.
Four feet is not plenty. Ever. Four feet is a car door and a slight wobble, or a large wing mirror and a gust of wind.
Vehicular cyclists can play in the lovely traffic all they like. But don’t make out the other 99.999% of us want to or should.
Shep73 wrote:northstar
LOL really?, really? this site really does seem to attract the low life’s.
How about you let someone drive a several tonne hgv past you at the fastest speed possible with 4 feet in the worst weather conditions possible and we will see if you change your mind? ; )
*waits for the predictable reply*
northstar wrote:Shep73
Well, I sympathise with both pov on this one. Having gotten out the tape-measure I have to say I’d be overjoyed if motorists started regularly allowing 4 feet – its a _lot_ more than many of them currently do (more like 4 inches in some cases).
But the “you shouldn’t be on the road” bit was unnecessarily dismissive and a trifle macho. Realistically, getting more people cycling will quite likely require a lot more than just a 4 feet clearance habit with everything else remaining the same.
In France there is a
In France there is a mandatory minimum gap to respect when overtaking cyclists.
It is 1 metre in towns and 1.5 metres outside of towns.
Almost all French and continental drivers respect this (the worst “non-respecters” are GB registered vehicles !).
If that was brought in here obviously there would be those who wouldn’t respect it, but the majority would, and it would give a lesson to everyone on the vulnerability of cyclists.
It would also give a base for prosecutions of unsafe driving.
Of course, one cannot have faith in everyone’s good nature, and it would only be effective if prosecutions were actually made.
It would also be one less excuse for the police to avoid prosecutions.
cisgil23 wrote:In France
And France Télévisions cars; ask Flecha and Hoogerland 😉
Reference the lead
Reference the lead video.
This vehicle was almost certainly delivering to Reads of Blackburn. They are main dealers for Bailey of Bristol caravans.
They are only a relatively short distance further along the A59. They can be found at :-
Address: Croft Head Rd, Whitebirk Industrial Estate, Blackburn, Lancashire BB1 5UE
Phone:01254 694313
This driver clearly needs removing from the roads and very probably from The Gene Pool.
This clearly appeared to be a deliberate attempt at scaring the S**t out of the cyclist and it came rather close to being another cyclist downed by an idiot.
This driver wants their license removing and an enforced driving test before any risk of them ever getting behind a wheel again.
I would also suggest that they should loose their job on the grounds of Gross Misconduct. In industry that is an Immediately Sack-able Offence.
Reference the lead
Reference the lead video.
This vehicle was almost certainly delivering to Reads of Blackburn. They are main dealers for Bailey of Bristol caravans.
They are only a relatively short distance further along the A59. They can be found at :-
Address: Croft Head Rd, Whitebirk Industrial Estate, Blackburn, Lancashire BB1 5UE
Phone:01254 694313
This driver clearly needs removing from the roads and very probably from The Gene Pool.
This clearly appeared to be a deliberate attempt at scaring the S**t out of the cyclist and it came rather close to being another cyclist downed by an idiot.
This driver wants their license removing and an enforced driving test before any risk of them ever getting behind a wheel again.
I would also suggest that they should loose their job on the grounds of Gross Misconduct. In industry that is an Immediately Sack-able Offence.
Makes me sick just watching
Makes me sick just watching
the drivers intent is all too
the drivers intent is all too clear
another label for “punishment pass” is “cowards pass” would be great if this phrase came into common usage
a cyclist with less experience would not be around to post the video 😐
lol, you sympathise with four
lol, you sympathise with four feet being sufficient? wow just wow.
Weren’t you the person who said they would hit a rider for riding through a red light? If so it speaks volumes.
northstar wrote:lol, you
You seem to make a habit of not reading what people say before you reply. Oh well.
Oh yeah – you also make stuff up, it seems.
FluffyKittenofTindalos
You seem to make a habit of not reading what people say before you reply. Oh well.
Oh yeah – you also make stuff up, it seems.— northstar
Oh the irony…. and it isn’t made up, i remember reading it ; )
northstar
You seem to make a habit of not reading what people say before you reply. Oh well.
Oh yeah – you also make stuff up, it seems.— FluffyKittenofTindalos
Oh the irony…. and it isn’t made up, i remember reading it ; )— northstar
I think you mean ‘misreading it’. To put it mildly. I note you got it wrong this time as well. Where did I say anything about four feet being ‘sufficient’? I said it was a lot more than I currently get and would be a welcome improvement but that it _wouldn’t_ be sufficient to get many people cycling who presently don’t because most are more risk-averse than those like me who cycle in current conditions.
You do seem to specialise in not reading what people say, that’s_exactly_ what you do, repeatedly.
FluffyKittenofTindalos
You seem to make a habit of not reading what people say before you reply. Oh well.
Oh yeah – you also make stuff up, it seems.— northstar
Oh the irony…. and it isn’t made up, i remember reading it ; )— FluffyKittenofTindalos
I think you mean ‘misreading it’. To put it mildly. I note you got it wrong this time as well. Where did I say anything about four feet being ‘sufficient’? I said it was a lot more than I currently get and would be a welcome improvement but that it _wouldn’t_ be sufficient to get many people cycling who presently don’t because most are more risk-averse than those like me who cycle in current conditions.
You do seem to specialise in not reading what people say, that’s_exactly_ what you do, repeatedly.— northstar
I am fully aware of what you said, keep ignoring what I say though, it was clear what you said and speaks volumes about your “character”. Don’t bother replying as it will not be read but I know you will anyway, you just can’t let it go ; )
The cycling community need to
The cycling community need to pressure the caravan company to name, shame, and sack this guy. Get him off the roads. If the company aren’t prepared to sack him for his gross misconduct and endangering someone’s life, then this video needs to go viral with the name of the company plastered all over it.
We DO have some power. The internet gives us that power. Use it.
Great stuff, guys… argue
Great stuff, guys… argue amongst yourselves on forums about politics whilst people are getting fucking murdered on the roads by maniacs.
The incident is an example of
The incident is an example of appalling driving, but personally I would still have been making some use of the bike lane. I figure it is better to be a few inches from a stationary light post than a few inches from a moving truck.
The other thing is: did he have earphones in? If I hear a large engine coming behind me and I can move left, I do. Yes, I know, shouldn’t have to etc etc. But it is better to give a bit and alive than be asserting your right, and dead.
None of this excuses the conduct of the driver, which is criminal.
That wasn’t a clear miss it
That wasn’t a clear miss it was attempted murder! The driver clearly also cut in as he passes. As the cyclists says another cyclists, perhaps less experienced could easily have been pulled under the trailing caravan.
Totally frightening, sickening. The driver must be made an example of, to save lives of the next unfortunate cyclist who this happens to.
Police must take it serious as must the Transport manager of the company Mark Turley – would you buy anything from this company if its not dealt with appropriately?
:O
The company should be able to
The company should be able to fire the driver for gross misconduct by way of bringing the company into disrepute.
So no HR guff required, the fact he done it in a sign written vehicle makes it easy to bullet the guy.
Flying Scot wrote:The company
Absolutely, anything less than firing would be disgraceful, the driver should be in prison.
Blimey. That is really
Blimey. That is really worrying. I think I would have looked over my right shoulder and drifted into the vehicles path
:O
‘a smelly, marginal communist
‘a smelly, marginal communist who chooses to use a child’s toy as his means of transport’.
source for this quote?
Quote:So I ask: at what point
When daily and i mean daily direct action is taken will anything change, it has to be every single day and cause “traffic” problems for *anything* to change and even then they will either probably arrest you on some bullshit charge or bump you off most likely to continue the status quo.
As for the pco, just ask cyclegaz about them, complete waste of time judging from their responses i’ve seen.
You all know a lot of taxi drivers are ex police officers right?
I have had lorries go past at
I have had lorries go past at speed and four foot has been fine, unlike the commuters, I ride for pleasure/sport and use open roads such as 60mph rated roads and if a vehicle leaves four foot I’m happy. I am also confident enough in my cycling to know I won’t wobble and fall underneath its wheels. I also fly downhills on a mountain with no gap at all in places such as Swinley Forest or the Forest or the Forest of Dean. So yeah four is enough for a competent cyclist. Next I’m going to hear big vehicles go faster in cities than they do on open roads I suppose.
This bloke should lose his job and be dealt with harshly by the Police but some of you seem to want the earth with it. You moan about a four foot gap but I bet you would still moan if it was five.
Shep73 wrote:I have had
[quote=Shep73]I have had lorries go past at speed and four foot has been fine, unlike the commuters, I ride for pleasure/sport and use open roads such as 60mph rated roads and if a vehicle leaves four foot I’m happy. I am also confident enough in my cycling to know I won’t wobble and fall underneath its wheels. …[/ quote]
I’m glad that you are so experienced and generally indestructible, with nerves of steel.
Most commuters also ride for pleasure – that’s why we are cycling to work instead of going by car or bus.
My measure is, if I could touch them if I stick my arm out then they’re too close.
And if I can see them looking in their rear view mirror after they’ve done this and cut in in front of me, then they were too close and they know they were too close (checking if I’m still upright, I think…).
Sorry – not sure how to put all of the above into reasonable order. Bullet points, maybe?
brooksby wrote:Shep73 wrote:I
Not about nerves of steel, it’s about comfort zones, judging by commuters I come across , I see no evidence of a cycling enthusiast. If a cyclist jumps a red light and gets hit, it’s still the drivers fault or that is how it seems to be with the mindset on this forum but people I know who ride for sport would say the cyclist is at fault.
The reason why 4 ft or 5 ft
The reason why 4 ft or 5 ft or whatever is still miserly is because in 99% of cases once the overtaking vehicle has taken part of the oncoming lane it could just as well have taken all of it at no extra cost or inconvenience. Not doing so just demonstrates the usual mix of laziness, selfishness and contempt.
I suggest that once the
I suggest that once the police have completed their efforts that this is taken up with the HSE. The HSE won’t do anything until the police have completed their investigations, however if the police don’t pursue it the HSE may do so subject to a lower standard of proof.
Above all else these situations must be pursued as the authirities may see a pattern arising with repeat offenders.
Driver has been sacked
Driver has been sacked http://www.caravantimes.co.uk/news/people/human-interest/forest-of-dean-caravans-fires-driver-after-cyclist-near-miss-is-caught-on-film-$21384068.htm
dodgy wrote:Driver has been
I am gob smacked! Followed the thread and there is an idiot called Ann defending the driver, as her road tax has paid for all the cycle lanes so cyclist should use them and what if cyclist had put his hand out to turn left? That would explain it, ignoring that there is no left turn there! How on earth do these sad people pass the driving test? Best hope her little car never gets run off the road by a HGV, ( sorry being sexist, her large car).
It’s made me so mad! ~X(
Well done to caravan owner though credit when it’s due, I know nothing would have happened with out video, but the guy got what he deserved. I strongly believe the police will look very foolish if they take weaker action than his employer.
Fair play to Forest of Dean
Fair play to Forest of Dean Caravans, they’ve sacked the lunatic. Hopefully the police will be as robust when they consider the case.
http://www.caravantimes.co.uk/news/people/human-interest/forest-of-dean-caravans-fires-driver-after-cyclist-near-miss-is-caught-on-film-$21384068.htm
How about some people saying
How about some people saying thank you to the company concerned in all this.
The driver has been sacked as called for.
It really would be courteous.
So you’d like thanks to the
So you’d like thanks to the company because they employed one (at least) aggressive would be killer, and then sacked him because he got caught? Thanks would be more appropriate if they did something about stopping this in advance.
oldstrath wrote:So you’d like
Still no proof the driver has been sacked…
ŷnorthstar wrote:oldstrath
~X( ŷ
I doubt you will get any either, I’m fairly sure that saying too much would result in a tribunal for prejudicing the numpties chances of future employment. Law in this regard is heavily weighted to the employee.
Alternative would be for them to suspend him on full pay pending an investigation or prosecution,which costs them time, money, they can’t employ a replacement and its crap PR.
I’m fairly confident he will have been dismissed,
PR suicide otherwise, and they are within the law to do so, what they can’t do legally is publicly name and shame the guy.
freespirit1 wrote:How about
Hear! Hear!
Too often in these discussion threads we hear “I reported it but the company did nothing!”.
This company has had an incident reported to them and dealt promptly with it in a manner that sends a clear message to their other drivers as to what standard of conduct is expected of them, and the consequences of not complying with them.
Well done.
I’ll assume the driver wasn’t
I’ll assume the driver wasn’t then until I see the proof with my own eyes.
If he has lost his job then
If he has lost his job then he has got what he deserved, it should be his licence as well though.