Hit-and-run driver who killed motorcyclist jailed for 24 years

Aah, the Brexit

Aah, the Brexit “implementation” problem.  A bit like sewage on the beach – for a clean beach, you need less sewage or best of all no sewage. There is no “good” sewage that can replace the bad. 

With that said, and while we wait for the OP to explain where things should have gotten to by now if Brexit had but been done properly, let me fill the void for a bit.

The Brexiter “implementation” argument usually runs – a bit like you get from drivers when things have gone wrong – that Brexit is fine, it’s everyone else – eg remainers with their 48% of the (oh so democratic) vote, the EU, the Blob, etc.

Translated into driver speak – the road was slippery, the cyclist was in the middle of the road, they had dementia or other strangely unforeseen medical episode, it was dark/light/ road was bendy, etc – it’s never them being a rubbish driver.

Neither of those are horrible
Neither of those are horrible or hateful.
Not offensive either. You may disagree with them but the content of what is written in a post is rather more important.

For more of the language of

For more of the language of Trump see here.  Then tweet till the Covfefe come home.

Hands off our gnus!

chrisonatrike wrote:

The rich and powerful are always going to have it easier – at least until HP gets the revolution going.

Look, have you got any idea how hard it is to seed an insurrection using just squirrel pictures?

I have no problem with people
I have no problem with people campaigning for whatever they want.

If people want to rejoin let them get a majority in the HoC, call a referendum and win it.

There are some parallels between the language used by Remain supporters in the aftermath of the referendum and the language of Trump but thankfully no attempts at armed insurrection by Lord Adonis and co!

David9694 wrote:

nototheEU and his kin has brought great harm on this country that is set only to continue.  When asked, he cannot identify any benefits – leastways, not to the man in the street: you can bet that someone is benefitting – it’s little more than a a perception or a thing he fancied doing, no wider interests feature.

Well – I’d still say “too early to say”.  The whole point about being more independent as I understand it is that you are free to do things differently – not that you’re necessarily immediately better off.  Again – not a Brexiteer myself – partly because I suspected our politicians would immediately use this freedom to start reversing policies which provided a certain level of protection for people and environment.

It certainly has been jam tomorrow for some and cynical self-interest.  But they were precisely those who’d be having their cake and eating it anyway.  The rich and powerful are always going to have it easier – at least until HP gets the revolution going.  It certainly wasn’t jam tomorrow for many – but did they really believe that?  Or did they feel that those promises might not be true but there were other things they felt were more important?

David9694 wrote:

Brexit didn’t invent Covid and it didn’t invade Ukraine, but it’s not helping us get through them.

But are you saying that NototheEU or (“his kin”) are responsible for either of those things?  If not then the Brexit bit isn’t really relevant – unless you’re saying we could have forseen these things and that they’d necessarily affect us worse if we weren’t in the EU?

I hear your argument about the UK being “less liberal” / “more angry” and this playing out in various different ways.  I’m not sure this is connected with the whole leaving the EU thing (see this article about the swings in public opinion over the last decades).  But then I’ve not been motivated to dig through detail on this.  I’m also unsure this is a big factor in road danger – there are lots of possible variables here.

The ironic thing is that you

The ironic thing is that you can’t see the huge harm that you’re doing

What nonsense! Huge harm?! This is a pro-cycling website seen by a few people and ‘doing huge harm’ with it is not possible. The huge harm was committed by the people harking back to the Days of Empire and ‘going it alone’- if you don’t agree, then you’re entitled to say so.

We (correctly) see them as

We (correctly) see them as actual crimes, along with close passing, but in these instances enforcement is so thin, penalties so light that there is little comeback or deterrent. And here’s the kicker – drivers no longer see what they are doing as wrong – Mikey somehow becomes the controversial figure, the “grass”, the Bad Guy.  Why can’t he leave them alone? 

nototheEU and his kin has brought great harm on this country that is set only to continue.  When asked, he cannot identify any benefits – leastways, not to the man in the street: you can bet that someone is benefitting – it’s little more than a a perception or a thing he fancied doing, no wider interests feature.

You might think that after 20 years he might have been able to come up with better. I’ve only been at it for about three myself, and I’ve never managed to get past “people have got too much of everything these days” and “the freedom to do whatever you want” as attempts at justification.  Brexit didn’t invent Covid and it didn’t invade Ukraine, but it’s not helping us get through them.

Anyway, apparently, it’s all the implementation’s fault, so let’s see where that leads us.