Three-year-old banned from riding by Dagenham housing association

Fears young girl on Barbie bike might damage residents' cars

by John Stevenson   September 17, 2013  

No fun zone: Simmons Drive, Dagenham

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A three-year-old girl has been banned from riding her Barbie bike in a quiet cul-de-sac by a Dagenham housing association because of fears the tearaway toddler might damage residents’ cars.

Tracy Osborne-Facey was showing her granddaughter Lilly how to ride with stabilisers when an officer from London and Quadrant (L&Q) housing association told her riding bikes was banned in the street.

Tracy told the Barking and Dagenham Post's Sara Odeen-Isbister that it was one of many “over-the-top” rules enforced in the street by L&Q. The association said it had instituted a “no balls or bikes” policy after complaints from residents who believed their homes and cars could be damaged by children playing outside.

Tracy, 43, said: “I could understand stopping ball games maybe, but they’ve basically banned children from playing outside. But it’s not just the children. We adults are not allowed to congregate or talk outside either. I got a letter once telling me off for chatting to a neighbour outside for about 20 minutes.

“Others have received letters too about all kinds of things which they apparently shouldn’t be doing.

“The officer who told me Lilly couldn’t ride her bike said I should expect a letter about it soon. It’s ridiculous.

“I realise people want to live somewhere peaceful, but the children that play here are all under 12 and not antisocial at all.”

A housing association spokesman said: “L&Q strives to create places where people want to live but unfortunately due to the concern of the local residents we had to enforce a ‘no bikes no ball games’ policy around the area.”

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Does Dagenham have a Reclaim The Streets group i wonder?
Perhaps a small gathering of cyclists on Simmons Drive could be arranged?
Give the residents something else to wet the bed over.

posted by Some Fella [769 posts]
17th September 2013 - 19:10

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Has anyone checked there website front page. Children playing happily with a strap line saying 'Free summer holiday activities for children and young people'.

Now that's confusing. Play at what, no ball games, no running and oh before I forget no cycling. Maybe blowing bubbles might be fun but might the pavement slippery.

Although I reckon these activities maybe taking place in wales so not to annoy the neighbours.

What an absolutely ridicilous thing not allowing kids to play or even talking to your neighbours. I would seriously steer clear of this unfriendly and idiotic housing association or better as Some fells suggested lets start a ride from there.

posted by Ciaran Patrick [119 posts]
17th September 2013 - 19:25

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As a 3 year old she cant ride a bike but L&Q i'm sure will allow her to sweep the local chimneys!!

Chadders x

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posted by chadders [74 posts]
17th September 2013 - 19:27

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Instead, what about banning cars in the cul de sac over fears that they might damage 3 year olds who are riding their bikes?

posted by paulmcmillan [79 posts]
17th September 2013 - 19:30

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After the scuff on my car's paintwork cost the thick end of £600 to sort out it is not such a small deal, really.

BTW that was caused by someone leaning their bicyclcle against my car in Leith Hill car park. Wouldn't have minded but they could have used the bike racks!!!

I've never had issues with cyclists. It's usually the clueless idiot neighbours with a car who smoke cannabis and think my car is a door stop for their car. Worse is as they're neighbours, going and asking for them to pay for the damage (I know for a fact they did it) will just lead to a long drawn out neighbourly dispute, which ends with no money to pay for the damage, probably more damage to my car, and other problems. Been there, done that, worn the t-shirt. Just have to accept you can't have nice things. Bet if I did something to their car of the same magnitude, they'd quickly be knocking on my door.

In any case they have some bad crash damage to their car now, which due to their idiocy I assume is of their own causing. Sadly I have nowhere else to park due to parking restrictions, and/or drunks in the area. Better a door ding than a kicked off mirror I suppose.

posted by anewman [5 posts]
17th September 2013 - 20:40

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They should carry on and see what happens. Would love to see the judges face when presented in court with a 3 year year old cyclist accused of antisocial cycling!

Problem is this isn't a criminal issue. This is likely to be part of a tenancy contract which was signed. What is likely to happen is they would just evict any people they don't like. Thanks to Maggie, it is law that private landlords can get rid of any tenant they don't like, for any reason.

posted by anewman [5 posts]
17th September 2013 - 20:42

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looking at streetmap, its full of cars parked on the pavement. Is this not illegal? I don't think L&Q will tell them off for that.
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=RM8+3LF&ll=51.554114,0.137436&spn=0.013...

posted by louear [7 posts]
17th September 2013 - 20:53

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I bet it's because all the cars are parked (illegally) on the ****ing pavement!

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posted by Simon E [1979 posts]
17th September 2013 - 21:41

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Looks like a horrible place to live, can't even teach the girl to ride in the garden as I doubt any of them have more than a postage stamp.

Maybe we should have a whip-round and buy said 3 year old a drum kit, or a one-man-band outfit? That'd please the fun police!

posted by madhouse [38 posts]
17th September 2013 - 21:48

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What a bunch of absolute f*cking c*nts. Seriously. I mean please, just f*ck off and get a life. As others have said, if your car means that much to you, and you'd prefer three-year olds not to have healthy, beneficial fun and exercise, you have some terrifying priorities, a badly skewed sense of community and most likely a trumped-up sense of your own importance. F*cking w*nkers

posted by jellysticks [80 posts]
17th September 2013 - 22:07

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Wow that escalated as I typed. I mean it though!

*Retreats from computer, does nothing about situation, hopes that getting angry anonymously somehow does something*

posted by jellysticks [80 posts]
17th September 2013 - 22:09

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paulmcmillan wrote:
Instead, what about banning cars in the cul de sac over fears that they might damage 3 year olds who are riding their bikes?

An excellent point, but one I fear will not have entered the thick skulls of the ignorant burghers of the housing association

posted by jellysticks [80 posts]
17th September 2013 - 22:17

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CotterPin wrote:
What about someone who lives there and rides a bike to get about?

Surprise They've banned children not adults

posted by BigBear63 [69 posts]
17th September 2013 - 22:52

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jellysticks wrote:
What a bunch of absolute f*cking c*nts. Seriously. I mean please, just f*ck off and get a life. As others have said, if your car means that much to you, and you'd prefer three-year olds not to have healthy, beneficial fun and exercise, you have some terrifying priorities, a badly skewed sense of community and most likely a trumped-up sense of your own importance. F*cking w*nkers

Rolling On The Floor Dagenham = Barking = BNP = Nazis

posted by BigBear63 [69 posts]
17th September 2013 - 22:56

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That's just embarrassing. Makes me glad I'm Canadian and NOT living in the UK. Really? How stuffy and prudish do you have to be to BAN children from playing outside?! Terrible.

The people that live in this neighbourhood should be ashamed of themselves.

posted by Peterneater [4 posts]
17th September 2013 - 23:00

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What a hell hole to live in.

I'd contribute to a moving costs fund for her family!

posted by jacknorell [407 posts]
17th September 2013 - 23:17

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james-o wrote:
"L&Q strives to create places where people want to live"

start striving in a different direction.


[[[[ Nah---it's a misprint. Should read, "strives to create places where people want to die".
P.R.

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posted by PhilRuss [287 posts]
18th September 2013 - 1:56

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I don't think H&S has anything to do with it - it's purely so their precious hunks of bank-owned metal don't get damaged.

posted by RPK [34 posts]
18th September 2013 - 1:57

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Peterneater wrote:
That's just embarrassing. Makes me glad I'm Canadian and NOT living in the UK. Really? How stuffy and prudish do you have to be to BAN children from playing outside?! Terrible.

The people that live in this neighbourhood should be ashamed of themselves.

It's nothing to do with being in the UK, could happen anywhere, just a selfish nimby attitude.

posted by northstar [1106 posts]
18th September 2013 - 2:07

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freespirit1 wrote:
After the scuff on my car's paintwork cost the thick end of £600 to sort out it is not such a small deal, really.

BTW that was caused by someone leaning their bicyclcle against my car in Leith Hill car park. Wouldn't have minded but they could have used the bike racks!!!

LOL, troll tastic perhaps as there are no bike racks as far as i'm aware in any Leith Hill car parks...

posted by northstar [1106 posts]
18th September 2013 - 2:10

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A reflection of wider society, I'm afraid.

posted by daddyELVIS [413 posts]
18th September 2013 - 5:28

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But there are in some. Even if none are present that does not give anyone the right to damage someone elses property.

posted by freespirit1 [172 posts]
18th September 2013 - 5:56

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I had my car damaged by drunks once and kids bikes three times in five years, then struggled to get insurance because all incidents coined against my insurance, as the drinks and children didn't stop to exchange details! That was in an edge of estate car park, so if there was a car park, I'd agree with banning cycling in it, but not the whole estate! Over the top L&Q!

posted by a.jumper [709 posts]
18th September 2013 - 8:21

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BigBear63 wrote:
CotterPin wrote:
What about someone who lives there and rides a bike to get about?

Surprise They've banned children not adults


In the article above it says "No bikes, no ball games." I have not seen what signs are posted at this particular location but I have seen similar signs elsewhere. I imagine,
the intention, reprehensible as it is, is probably to ban children cycling, but the wording references just bikes not the rider. I would agree that if you cycled home from work to this estate you would have no problems. However, in my opinion, the wording does reflect an ingrained attitude that cycling is something children do and adults grow out of it to do grown-up things like drive cars. We have a lot of work to do in this country to get over that attitude.
Stephen

posted by CotterPin [64 posts]
18th September 2013 - 9:09

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Funking tragic really. Ban cars, not bikes. And what a soulless dump of a place to live.

posted by Tomarchard [4 posts]
18th September 2013 - 9:17

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Striving to create a place to live"?

Sounds more like a place to die, to me.

I lived in a place like that for 8 years - only difference being that we owned our houses. Still had interfering busybodies telling us how to run our lives. When we first saw the place we marvelled at how tidy everything seemed. We soon, but too late, realised why.

posted by Paul M [312 posts]
18th September 2013 - 11:06

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No doubt there are plenty of examples of bikes being damaged by cars but I don't suppose that's an issue of note.

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posted by podgethepuffer [18 posts]
18th September 2013 - 11:16

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Just checked the highway code for a clue on what the actual rules are; sadly no guidance for how very young cyclists should behave, where they should ride or what their rights are.

posted by Matt eaton [399 posts]
18th September 2013 - 11:25

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f***ing disgusting.

stay indoors and dont make a sound is pretty much what they are saying!

Feel the fear and do it anyway

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posted by hood [117 posts]
18th September 2013 - 13:05

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That is the trouble of building high density housing on a small space of land the cars have to park on the pavement otherwise fire engines and ambulances cannot get through, piss poor design by a f***wit for maximum revenue. This also highlights the ‘true’ corporate message of L & Q and that is kids don’t earn money so can f*** off regardless of whether or not they cycle. The best option is don’t live in any L & Q properties.

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posted by cidermart [465 posts]
18th September 2013 - 16:14

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