Two surgeons in Edinburgh, both of whom ride bikes regularly and both experienced in treating injured cyclists have crossed scalpels over the issue of whether cycle helmets improve riders’ safety.
Lynn Myles, a consultant neurosurgeon at the Western General Hospital in the Scottish capital, described as a “keen cyclist” believes they do.
Taking the opposing view is Chris Oliver, consultant trauma orthopaedic surgeon at Edinburgh Royal Infirmary, who also happens to be chair of cyclists’ organisation CTC Scotland.
The issue is debated by them on Surgeons’ News, the website of the Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh, which has some 20,000 fellows and members throughout the world.
Ms Myles begins by acknowledging that she is “under no illusion that it [a helmet] will save me in the event of a high speed collision with a car or lorry (nothing will)” – a common criticism aimed at those who insist all cyclists should wear one – but adds that “most cycling accidents aren’t of the high-speed variety.”
Instead, after outlining other things that can be done to improve cycle safety such as addressing traffic speed and improving road layout, she says: “Most of the head injuries I have seen in cyclists are the result of low velocity crashes or simple falls due to ice or wet roads.
“There is no doubt in my mind that a well-fitting cycle helmet will reduce the incidence of scalp laceration and open fracture and will help to reduce the energy transfer to the brain.”
Apart from in sports, where she believes the type of potential injuries justifies governing bodies making helmets mandatory, Ms Myles isn’t calling for helmets to be made compulsory; she does point out though, that “in my department all neurosurgeons, neurologists neurointensivists and neuroanaesthetists wear cycling helmets when cycling – we can’t all be mad!”
Mr Oliver, however, maintains that “there is no justification for helmet laws or promotional campaigns that portray cycling as a particularly ‘dangerous’ activity, or that make unfounded claims about the effectiveness of helmets.
“By reducing cycle use even slightly, helmet laws or promotion campaigns are likely to cause a significant net disbenefit to public health, regardless of the effectiveness or otherwise of helmets,” he adds.
Like Ms Myles, he points out that helmets “are (and can only be) designed to withstand minor knocks and falls, not serious traffic collisions,” and says there is evidence that wearing one can increase certain types of injury.
Mr Oliver acknowledges that “whilst there is a correlation between helmet guidelines and reduced cyclists’ injury numbers, the evidence suggests this is wholly or mainly due to reductions in cycle use, not improvements in safety for the cyclists who remain.”
He goes on to highlight that a fall in the number of cyclists can put remaining ones at greater risk due to the absence of a safety in numbers effect, and outlines other arguments against compulsion.
He also warns against what can be termed compulsion creep, saying that “schools, employers and the organisers of non-sporting cycling events (e.g. sponsored rides) should not seek to impose helmet rules for their pupils, staff and participants.
“These rules are not justified in terms of health and safety, they are likely to reduce the numbers and diversity of people who take part in cycling, and they may in some circumstances be illegal.”
Mr Oliver believes that “individuals should be free to make their own decisions about whether or not to wear helmets, with parents making these decisions in the case of younger children. Their decisions should be informed by clear information about the uncertainties over helmets.”
As we regularly see here on road.cc, the helmet debate is an emotive one and it’s an issue that strongly polarises opinion; the fact that two senior medical professionals working in the same city and dealing with the aftermath of incidents in which cyclists have been seriously injured have such differing opinions on the subject is a reflection of that.























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Looks like they may need
Looks like they may need helmets on if they are going to bashing heads over the subject 👿
I fail to see why this is
I fail to see why this is such a contentious issue. I would never advocate making it law, but common sense and personal experience say that they can’t be all bad. There are times when you simply come off, no traffic involved. Surely having a bit of extra padding round the head can’t hurt?
mr-andrew wrote:Surely having
Depends whether that extra padding catches on something and twists your head off really 😉
Does that ever happen? I feel
Does that ever happen? I feel helmet design needs to be improved, especially the straps. The only falls I have had have been very slow speed or stationary when getting used to cleats, and a helmet has undoubtedly helped. Other opinions are available, some more sensible than others.
mr-andrew wrote:I fail to see
Great – so where’s the debate?
You are happy for personal choice to be maintained
The problem is that not everyone takes that line and many organisations have called for compulsio
There are times when you
There are times when you simply trip and fall (the largest cause of head injuries). Surely having a bit of extra padding round the head can’t hurt?
Cycling is not particularly productive of head injuries. This is understood in NL where the cycling levels are high and though the Dutch sometimes simply come off, no traffic involved, they still hacve the lowest head injury rates going.
It is only because we have got in to the habit of thinking cycling is especially dangerous in the UK (wrongly believing that we’re far more at risk than pedestrians, who aren’t known for crash-helmet wearing) that we have become preoccupied with helmets.
Wear one if you want. But be aware you’re around as likely to suffer a nasty head injury popping down to the shops for a pint of milk ansd a paper on your feet as on your bike.
I fell on a snowy commute
I fell on a snowy commute last year which left a large fracture and a puncture in my helmet from some debris on the road. That impact would otherwise have been directly taken by my skull. There were no rotational-force or whiplash-type injuries at all, just a broken collar-bone and grazes.
I will personally never understand the argument against helmet wearing, it’s counter-intuitive for commuting at the very least.
I still don’t get the helmet-snagging argument either, are there really any cases where that aspect would override the impact-absorption benfits that a helmet provides?
I’m pro-helmet, but against
I’m pro-helmet, but against compulsion. It should be common sense.
How about a simple warning, like with cigarette packets:
“Banging your head into tarmac at 30mph can cause potentially fatal injuries. Wearing a helmet reduces that risk”
I’d really like to see in any news story about a cyclist being injured or killed, when head injuries are the main factor, whether or not they were wearing a helmet.
ir_bandito wrote:I’m
How about “Banging your head into tarmac at 30mph can cause potentially fatal injuries. Cycle helmets will not fully protect you from these forces and in some situations can increase the risk of serious or fatal injury”
@ir_bandito. This is where
@ir_bandito. This is where the misunderstandings comes in. Helmets have never been designed to protect against a 30mph crash. The maximum impact speed they are designed for is about 10mph. And worse than that, even if they did work fully as designed in a 30mph impact, because of the way impacts work, a helmet would make it equivalent to a 28mph impact instead. Now if you think that the difference between 30mph and 28mph is certain death and certain life then fine but please don’t mislead people with your mistaken common sense.
Mr Andrew:
Do you wear a
Mr Andrew:
Do you wear a helmet when you walk or run? After all, a bit of padding can only help should you fall.
A colleague of mine once got smacked on the head by the wing mirror of a bus pulling into a bus stop, as he was waiting near it. He got a pretty good concussion from it. A helmet might have reduced that.
Basically, if you have the “I can’t see why people wouldn’t wear them!” attitude, then why aren’t you applying the same logic to other activities in your life? I really want to know.
Many cyclists, utility ones particularly, do not cycle faster than a person would when running, perhaps even jogging. My wife cycles at about 12 to 15 km/h generally, and might just hit 20 km/h. If you wouldn’t wear a helmet jogging or walking, why should she wear one when cycling slowly?
I am fascinated by the bizarre, inconsistent attitude to risk & safety in this country. People get all concerned by the extremely tiny risks of KSI in cycling (in the main it has overwhelmingly positive effects), but are quite happy to completely ignore the very *certain* and deadly risks of lack of exercise.
Further, then rather than address the primary cause of KSI amongst cyclists and pedestrians (high energy motor traffic), the culture here instead is to place the onus on the victims, the vulnerable, to wear mostly ineffectual safety garments. Nothing is done about the real cause.
This twisted culture surely is a major factor in the UK being right up there in overweight and obesity rates (twice that of NL).
Mad.
I really can’t see that they
I really can’t see that they are debating. They both seem (IMO) to be saying the same thing.
I know it’s semantics but I would argue that helmets/seat belts/air bags don’t “improve safety” – they decrease the occurrence of serious injury.
That aside.
Lynn isn’t advocating compulsion – fine.
Acknowledges that survival in “hi speed impacts” won’t be greatly affected – fine.
She treats a lot of brain/head injuries from low speed or stationary cycle accidents. This is the bone of contention for me (there may well be others can’t be bothered too get too wrapped up in this). Has she done an analyse of head surgery required by pedestrians who “fall”. Low or stationary accidents in the home?
My overall problem with these debates is that when it appears that “experts” are taking the side of a given cause my fear is that reactionary groups/politicians see it as confirmation of their bias.
While there are some injuries
While there are some injuries a helmet will not protect against, there are occasions when a smashed helmet is a better option than a smashed skull.
This was the result of a 38mph fall of a Club mate who hit a rock in the ground at impact, lost consciousness for around 3 minutes, and broke a number of bones in his back.
He was undoubtedly a lucky chap, suffering no neurological deficit (the outcome could have been much worse) but there is no doubt in my mind, or that of the paramedics and his trauma surgeon that the helmet ameliorated the effect of the impact and his subsequent injuries
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I love my helmet since moving
I love my helmet since moving to Australia. I keeps my head cool. Eyeballs safe from swooping crows. And see that wee plastic visor bit at the front, it actually has a purpose that only those who cycle in the sunshine will appreciate. Oh and i took my mudguards off too. 😀
oh dear…! these are those
oh dear…! these are those kind arguments that will never end.
do I believe they will protect me? my head, yes! but what about my neck or spinal column? what about chest injuries such as rib cage collapse. they are as fatal as head injuries but i cant see see my self wearing a full body armour like a downhill mountain biker going to work because thats just silly.
I dont believe helmets will increase a cyclist safety. however, im not saying dont wear them. all im saying is they only protect your head which is good, but thats the only part of your body it will protect.
I believe road infrastructures and cyclist/motorist attitudes will make a cyclist safe. most of the time a simple commonsense is all it takes to be safe. If cyclist and motorist lookout and care for each other, accidents will be much… much… less.
I started wearing a helmet
I started wearing a helmet 15+ years ago when my kids were learning to ride, easiest way to get them to do it all the time was if they saw me do it, now I feel odd riding without one. In one instance wearing a helmet has saved me from head injury, my shoulder and the helmet took the damage.
I believe I am in the majority in saying I’d encourage riders to wear one (as a Skyride leader I do just that) but I’m against compulsion (although Skyride has a compulsory policy for riders under 16). Anything that puts people off getting on a bike is bad news, better to get them on the bike then try to convince them a helmet is a good idea too.
Mr el bee: Perhaps a better
Mr el bee: Perhaps a better lesson to take from your club-mates fall would be “go more slowly”. I’d rather fall at low-speed without a helmet, than at high-speed with one.
Helmet can’t protect the rest of your body. Injuries to which can be as traumatic as any head injury. Helmet’s can’t protect your head that much.
The flimsy vented road style ones are especially bad. And anyone here who says “I don’t understand people who don’t wear helmets”, I hope you wear a good Snell certified hard-shell helmet, rather than a flimsy road style one with just EN1078 certification!
Oh, and let’s go through all
Oh, and let’s go through all the logical fallacies:
“Well, why wouldn’t you wear a helmet?”: Fallacious, because there are many equally risky activities where the same people saying this do not wear them.
“Wearing a helmet can’t hurt”: Fallacious, helmets increase certain injuries. Further, ignoring the specifics of injuries, there is reason to think that where helmets are viewed as necessary for cycling (legally or culturally) this depresses cycling rates. As cycling is overwhelmingly *good* for people and their long-term health, then those people who have been put-off by helmets have been *harmed*.
“I fell off and my helmet was cracked, it must have saved my life!”. Fallacious, it only means your helmet cracked. Indeed, that’s a sign your helmet *failed* – helmets absorb energy by crushing, not by cracking. To actually know whether or not it saved your life, you’d have to rerun the accident exactly – which is impossible. Indeed, there is a possibility you actually were injured *more* than otherwise.
Are helmets bad? No. Should you never wear them? No, there may well be times when it might be a good idea (e.g. cycling fast, competitive cycling, cycling on rocky terrain – I’m just guessing). However, equally so, there are times when you may not need them (e.g. utility cycling). Further, there is *definitely* a strong correlation between high rates of helmet use and *low* rates of cycling. It may well be that helmet culture is *BAD FOR CYCLING* generally, which may be bad for people’s long-term health!
It may even be that helmets and the warped road-safety culture here are costing the UK a *lot* more money in healthcare for obesity related diseases than are saved in head injuries. Computer model studies suggest so at least!
Paul J wrote:Oh, and let’s go
Nicely put, although I still wonder why others cannot read this and understand what you are saying rather than citing further fallacious examples.
Always wear a helmet. If a
Always wear a helmet. If a motorist gets out of his car and punches you, it will offer protection.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG-cLftQ9Xw
Commuting/Training/Racing:
Commuting/Training/Racing: Helmet
tootling to the shops: no helmet
bikeboy76
Agreed. End of debate. Get the coffee brewing.
Everyone should wear a helmet
Everyone should wear a helmet when cycling, otherwise where would one put ones shades when not wearing them?
I guess this must be why Chris Oliver is wearing a lid in every picture of him with a bike on the web, despite the views he has published.
I believe it is wise to wear
I believe it is wise to wear a helmet and if you don’t want to: don’t. I have suffered from a few concussions and all but one was cycling related. Even the one I did suffer from cycling was related to hitting a pot hole so having a helmet wouldn’t matter.
If a helmet can do anything to minimise the force to the brain then all the better. Head injuries are serious, no matter how small.
I am not disillusioned by the protection. For me it is peace of mind as on a few occasions when I jump on the Brompton with my helmet I feel “naked” and subconscious about not having it.
Insurance companies will/may also try to minimise payments as you will be deemed partially responsible for you injuries should you not be wearing a helmet.
I still say (in the main)
I still say (in the main) just wear one, it’s common sense, fast or slow. Comparing the risks to running etc is a pointless exercise, apples and pears in terms of control and dynamics.
Still waiting for any actual facts around this “wearing a helmet can cause certain injuries” argument….where are the examples or stats around this? If there are none, or if there are examples that are just freak accidents, then it’s not even worth raising as an issue surely?
Ooh, this thread hasn’t been
Ooh, this thread hasn’t been done before.
@PaulJ – excellent post.
I
@PaulJ – excellent post.
I actually take the opposite view on the speed issue to the ‘experts’ in the story (and just because they’re neuro this and trauma that doesn’t mean they know everything – I’ve undergone a couple of brain scans recently for something unrelated to a cycling injury and the consultant neuro man I saw was definitely a nutter, so I suspect it goes with the territory). I fell off on a small patch of gravel on a corner on a Pyrenees descent and hit my head; probably 20-25 mph. My helmet deformed (missus) and stopped bad injury to my head. Higher speed = less reaction space and time. Low-speed riding into work, don’t wear one. Eyes and ears are extremely efficient safety devices I find in such circumstances.
@Carvers – yes, there are instances where rotational pull from impacts has caused neck injuries.
The only reason why those
The only reason why those pointless public debates about helmet wear, reflective gear, “road tax” etc. take place at all is that cyclists are a tiny minority (of voters) that can be bullied and patronised by “normal” people and politicians.
If anyone fancies saving many more lives then why concentrating on cyclists in particular?
Even with seatbelts many more lives would be saved if drivers and passengers of all vehicles were wearing helmets…
Would doctors and politicians have b***s to initiate a debate about it?
Talking of helmets, I’m on
Talking of helmets, I’m on the lookout for a new one but don’t want to pay the earth. Any recommendations?
Commuting/Training/Racing:
Commuting/Training/Racing: Helmet
tootling to the shops: no helmet
Personal choice, end of debate.
@dullard – and vs the
@dullard – and vs the injuries caused by not wearing a helmet how do those stats stack up? That’s all that i want to clarify, if it’s 1/1,000 injury then is it worth raising? 1/10 is maybe worth worrying about, but I’m pretty sure the odds are stacked in your noggin’s favour when you do wear a helmet
Carvers wrote:@dullard – and
Nobody knows if there is a real risk from increased neck injury, or if the protective effect to the head outweighs that. There are too few accidents recorded, an absence of comparable helmeted and helmet-less populations, and the data captured isn’t detailed enough. This is part of what makes this debate so eternal – there’s no definitive evidence one way or the other, so we’re reduced to make a series of assertions based on person belief of what seems reasonable.
I think all cyclists should
I think all cyclists should wear a full face motorcycle helmet. You can never be too careful.
Geoffroid wrote:I think all
I realise that was facetious but this was a debate we had in motor rallying years ago – full face vs. open face helmets. I would always ask – would you prefer to break your neck or your jaw?
Like the seat-belt debate this will run for years until there is enough data to make a convincing case one way or the other. But, also like the seat belt argument, I am convinced that the data will show that wearing a helmet significantly reduces the risk of serious injury. In the meantime I’ll just belt-up
I think that newcomers to the
I think that newcomers to the sport will wear helmets as a matter of course, they will see them as part of the standard kit because that’s what their heroes/heroines on TV wear – much in the same way as I wore a Faema cap because Eddy did.
I used to play cricket as an opening bat in pre helmet days, now even the under 13’s wear helmets to bat in even though the bowlers are not strong enough to get the ball above knee height.
It’s all about fashion and emulation.
Not only about fashion, but
Not only about fashion, but the associated matter, marketing and sales.
Where are all these people who fall off at “low speed”?
How did I manage to survive for years wearing only a “hairnet” type crash hat for racing, and the rest of the time nothing or a cotton cap?
How did my eyes survive without wearing protective sunglasses all the time?
Withou “health and safety” excesses, lots of us have managed quite nicely, and I have no recollection of excessive head injuries pre-helmet. Though if people want to wear them, taht’s entirely their choice, as is the decision not to do so.
Organiser of sportives seem to think they can make it a condition of participation. Maybe that has some merit, as quite a lot of riders apparantly regard it as a “race”. If they are happy wearing a helmet fine, my view is just rock up at the start, paid my money, no law being broken, off I go. In the hundreds participating who will notice?
It all comes down to this – if you feel safer and happier with a bit of plastic on your head that is designed to cope with 20 kph impacts, and may mitigate a glancing blow injury at higher speeds, then wear one.
With the cost of kit now, what’s another £80-100 you might ask? I do ask, and have decided that perhaps it might be spent otherwise. My choice, quite simple.
An older gentleman had
An older gentleman had slipped while walking cracking his head on the pavement. There were some people in attendance. I cycled over to see if they required any additional help. Blood everywhere. The poor man was dazed but okay. Ambulance was on the way. I felt like asking; was he wearing a helmet? Tad insensitive. But how many would have raised the issue if it were a cyclist on the ground?
Oh dear here is the “cycling
Oh dear here is the “cycling helmet” debate yet again! :”(
So to repeat myself here (probably) – I only started wearing a lid back in 2007 when a friend of mine died in what would have been a survivable fall with a fracture to the base of the skull.
So after damn nearly 30 years of cycling without a lid, I decided in the end that it was one of those “discretion is better than valour” decisions and while I don’t particularly like wearing one it is now rather convenient to mount the camera and lights on etc, rather than screwing the attachments to my skull.
Would I recommend wearing lid, well considering all the miles I cycle (and through ol’ London town too), I do but I leave it down to personal preference of the individual, as long as it is fitted/worn correctly it is likely to protect the skull and its contents at relatively low speeds or minor impacts.
OK, not a prefect argument though, it is the one I use with everyone excluding parents – which I REALLY do recommend that all youngsters that cycle, REALLY should wear a lid because they are more prone to accidents that helmets are likely to aid in protecting the head.
As to legislation….well I do think that children should be “encouraged” to wear them whenever cycling but the thought of all the man hours the police would spend in enforcing this law could be better spent elsewhere keeps me from wanting anything more stringent.
I think that the vast majority of cyclists think along these lines too….which does go to prove, regardless of the medical expertise that these surgeons have, will go on for some years yet to come! 😕
I came a cropper on black ice
I came a cropper on black ice in November and head butted the tarmac.
The impact, on the right temple, destroyed my helmet, and left me with a head ache for the next 16 hours. I shudder to think what the result would have been if I was of the anti helmet persuasion.
I’ve always been firmly in favour of wearing a helmet. I see no reason to change my mind now.
My mate came off at the
B-) My mate came off at the weekend on ice
fell on his side and cracked his head on the side
he said that if he hadnt worn a helmet he would have had a serious head injury
As he walked down the road with buckled wheel in hand he remarked that he would never go out without a helmet……until then he would sometime not wear one.. 🙂
So the neurosurgeon, who
So the neurosurgeon, who looks at heads and brain injury all day is pro-helmet and the orthopod who looks at broken bones etc says they’re not the be all and end all of cycling safety. I never saw that one coming.
The “holy grail” of the
The “holy grail” of the cycling world has reared its head again (no pun intended).
I’ve got peoples backs up to much recently so i’m going to be a good boy and not going to comment. 😀
But i wouldn’t be without mine.
Don’t people in England call
Don’t people in England call physicians by their proper prefix,Dr., not Ms or Mr. Typical. You would do well not to disregard the advice of a neurosurgeon.
To all you bone heads who claim helmets don’t protect and might actually hurt, you have zero evidence to support these claims. Post your evidence here, and I’ll believe it. Certainly we don’t have great evidence from randomized trials of helmets that they help, but the weight of the evidence suggests they do. Still the data are lacking, and this comment board is riddled with opinion and anecdote; typical for this debate.
At issue is also WHAT helmets help with. In low speed collisions where the head strikes the ground or another object, of course they reduce the force transmitted to the head; what idiot would suggest otherwise. Show me data that proves they don’t or could actually hurt. In high speed accidents with cars and trucks, forget about it.
To all who claim that helmet wearing creates a perception that cycling is dangerous, that there is a public health cost to this perception, and that if helmets were not encouraged, more people would cycle…what complete and utter nonsense this argument is. You cannot oppose helmet promotion because of the false perception some people get…like your false perception. Cycling carries a risk of head injury. Do you deny that? It is your uninformed opinion that will damage public health; fortunately, no one is listening to you.
Lastly, helmet design is stupid these days. A rounded, simple design is probably the safest, avoiding little spikes to improve aerodynamics which are indeed pointless for most of us and might twist your neck of you land just so. As a practicing pediatrician, I have NEVER seen or heard of someone twisting their neck because of their helmet! I have seen kids with serious head injuries after falling off their bike not wearing a helmet.
This debate needs sanity and evidence, not opinion and anecdote.
nadimk wrote:Don’t people in
British surgeons – a designation reserved for those who have obtained membership of the Royal College of Surgeons – are addressed as Mr, Mrs or Miss rather than Dr.
In my experience they take umbrage if you get it wrong!
nadimk wrote:Don’t people in
First, it’s Scotland, not England in this case 😉
Use of Mr and Ms isn’t disrespectful in the UK – once a physician becomes a consultant, they are no longer referred to as ‘Dr,’ they are addressed as Mr, Ms, Miss or Mrs (assuming they don’t have some other title… Sir Lancelot Spratt 😉 springs to mind, or Professor Robert Winston, now Lord Winston).
Addressing them as Mr etc, far from a sign of disrespect, is an acknowledgment of their seniority in the profession.
I used to wear a helmet all
I used to wear a helmet all the time, then I read the research literature! The evidence for helmets usage reducing head injuries in cyclists as a population is quite strong. However, the argument is much more nuanced than just saying helmet wearing is a good thing, because other factors need to be taken into consideration.
Firstly, there is some evidence that helmet usage adversely affects risk taking behaviour, i.e. riders feel safer, so take more risk and drivers perceive riders as being safer so drive more dangerously around them.(see for example, Adams and Hillman, 2001, The Risk Compensation Theory and Bicycle Helemts, Injury Prevention,7, 89-91)
Secondly, if we are interested in reducing in negative health consequences, then we need to consider all the effects of increased helmets as a whole. For example, there is evidence that, if helmet’s are made mandatory, cycle use decreases and that the negative effects of reduced physical activity outweigh any gains from reduced head injuries (de Jong, 2012, The health impact of mandatory bicycle helmet laws, Risk analysis, 75, 782-790).
The final point is a little more complicated. Whilst increased helmet usage may reduce head injuries within a population, what about for you as an individual? If the occurrence of severe head injuries occurring in common cycling crashes is reduced by helmet usage but certain uncommon ones are increased, then at a population level, there may well be a net positive effect, but if you’re one of those individuals with an increased risk, then that is little compensation. There is evidence that the probability of serious head injuries resulting from angular accelerations may be increased when a helmet is worn (see for example, Curnow, 2003, The efficacy of bicycle helmets against injury, Accident Analysis and Prevention, 35, 287-292). The theory being that firstly, making the head effectively bigger makes you more likely to hit it in a crash and secondly it increases the torque (turning force) by increasing the length of the lever for any applied force. These types of loadings are not examined in some of the research that has carried out direct measurements of head impacts with/ without helmets(and current helmet testing procedures) . The case for helmets reducing neck injuries is also much less strong. Further, there are strong suggestions that modern soft-shell helmets are more likely to suffer from these effects than older hard-shell ones (because the hard-shells are more likely to slide). So, if you are a rider in a situation where the common low-energy, ‘falling off’ type crashes are unlikely, then wearing a helmet could be more dangerous than not in the less common high-energy impacts. Potentially, leading to an increased overall risk.
My take on all this is :
Where there is a relatively high probability of low-energy impacts but less of high-energy impacts (i.e. off-road or in group riding situations or in general for less-experienced riders), wearing a helmet may make you, as an individual, safer and in these situations, I still where mine. However, as an experienced rider when the probabilities are reversed (e.g. commuting through traffic) I no longer wear my helmet.
I would therefore, also encourage others whose riding does not fit in the ‘exceptions’ case to wear a helmet, but based on the research, strongly oppose any form of compulsion.
nadimk wrote:Don’t people in
No – because by tradition in the UK Consultants and Surgeons use the title Mr and Physicians use the title Dr. It’s a mark of status. You would be insulting a Surgeon if you addressed him as Dr.
Why is that “Typical” btw?
I so regret having a helmet
– Quote by no one. Ever.
Happy to be proved wrong …
In this debate several people
In this debate several people have claimed that in certain situations a helmet may make the injury worse. Is there any actual evidence for this to back up the claim? What type of situation is it? Give us some details to work with not just the same stuff repeated.
I personally do wear a helmet, but that comes from starting out mountain biking 20 odd years ago and my mum saying I had too. Just kept it up since. I make my kids wear one if they go for a ride but if just pottering about between friends houses then they don’t wear one.
This time if year it keeps your head warm, bonus.
Helmets are not and should not be made compulsory.
By the way the same debate goes on in the climbing forum that I visit, so it’s not just cyclists.
jayme wrote:In this debate
A helmet effectively makes your head bigger. That means that there’s a bigger lever to twist stuff like necks and it also means you’ve got more chance of hitting it to start with (as does the slightly increased weight). This is elementary physics.
It’s also not very relevant, because you can’t choose your accident type. What you can do is look at the overall effect of helmet wearing on serious injuries and see that there’s none to speak of.
How about minor injuries (according to someone up there ^^^ any head injury is serious, hell, I was lucky to get away with cutting myself shaving the other day!)? A helmet is very likely to be good against these, but how many do you get cycling? I get more round the house, but ICBA to wear a helmet there. I suspect you can’t either.
Helmets are specced for low speed falls with no motor vehicles involved. if any extra protection in these instances is good then the Dutch would wear them, because their much vaunted infrastructure doesn’t protect them from low speed falls with no motor vehicles involved. But their wearing rates are the lowest in the developed world, and coincidentally so are their rates of serious head injury.
Now if Rapha made helmets
Now if Rapha made helmets that really would make for a great comments section. 🙂
nadimk wrote:Cycling carries
pretty much everything carries a risk of head injury.
But we should still all wear them, right?
I’d agree with that, but you didn’t actually provide any evidence. just your opinion.
helmets are a massive red herring. they’re not what’s required for safe cycling. the evidence for that is abundant: just go to a country where cycling is safe, relatively speaking, and look at what they’re wearing. And then look at where they get to cycle.
If you want to make cycling safe, have a look at the hierachy of hazard control and do the most important things first: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy_of_hazard_control
you’ll note that personal protective equipment is the last thing you should consider to mitigate risk, as it’s generally the least effective.
I did not provide a strong
I did not provide a strong opinion on helmets either way, so no evidence is needed. We need more research, less opinion.
Agree with you 100% though on structural improvements to make cycling safer. I wish we had that for sure. BUT, to say that helmets are a red herring is false, to say they are not a relatively cheap, unharmful way to protect the head is false and has no basis in evidence.
You like others cite “evidence” from countries where they do x, y, and z to say helmets aren’t needed. This is highly biased “data” and does not constitute evidence. It lacks generalizability to England and the US where we don’t have anything like Copenhagen and Amsterdam.
Just wear a helmet and save us the cost of taking care your head injury when you crash, particulary in England’s publically funded healthcare system.
nadimk wrote:to say that
i’m not arguing that helmets can’t protect your head: they can. i’m arguing that the evidence points to the fact that helmets don’t actually decrease the overall incidence of head injuries: hence, they’re a red herring. they can protect your head but it’s not as simple as whether they’ll take a blow if you fall off your bike. there’s lots of other factors, eg the altered perceptions and attitudes of other road users, or whether your safety is adversely affected by your own risk compensation, or what road conditions make people feel that they’re necessary. who knows whether these negate the benefit the helmet can give? I don’t for sure, but I haven’t seen any large scale data that shows a correlation between helmet use going up and head injury levels going down. where mandatory laws have required the use of helmets the incidence of head injuries among cyclists has remained on the same trajectory (slightly down) in spite of a dramatic increase in helmet use. there’s all sorts of factors in the equation and some of them correlate; helmet usage and safety levels don’t.
nope, what i’m doing is saying: if you want to make cycling safer, forget about helmets and concentrate on the real issues. look at what the safe countries are doing, and do that. don’t focus on stuff that will make a minimal difference, if it makes a difference at all.
why is it my responsibility all of a sudden when i’m on a bike? what changes? why not the same argument for car occupants? or diy enthusiasts? or rugby players? or pedestrians?
I’m still waiting for health
I’m still waiting for health advisors to point out that you are more likely to sustain a head injury due to mugging if you are NOT wearing a helmet.
It is for this reason that pedestrians should ALWAYS wear a helmet – especially outside pubs where so many head injuries occur.
Anyone who opposes this very simple and practical safeguard is just putting pedestrians in danger and filling up our busy A&E wards on a saturday night.
Remember this simple slogan: GFAW WAH.
Going For A Walk? – Wear A Helmet!
It’s just common sense really.
Fully in favour of non
Fully in favour of non compulsion. In 95/100 cases better some padding than none at all but still – it’s a personal choice.
It’s as simple as that and doesn’t need this lengthy, tedious hairsplitting every time.
MercuryOne wrote:Fully in
[[[ “Hairsplitting? Ouch! But isn’t this thread fun? In fact, if you’all have enjoyed it half as much as me, then I must have enjoyed it twice as much as you’all. Now, where’s me Cinelli banana-hat?
P.R.
Of course, in most of
Of course, in most of Northern Europe, where cycling is a normal means of commuting, they regard helmet wearing as just silly.
They also regard not having decent cyclepaths and proper laws to protect cyclists as insane.
But… what would they know? They’re just cyclists who aren’t dictated to by a car-culture and regard cycles as transport rather than an Extreme Sport.
Phytoramediant wrote:Of
Spot on !!!!! B-)
It’s like Christmas came
It’s like Christmas came early, a helmet debate and Rapha launch on the same day!!
If only Rapha made helmets.
If only Rapha made helmets.
This helment debate is about
This helment debate is about as contrived as those new Andex adverts in which they claim the nation is divided between two different methods using toilet paper (when, by the way, did it become an acceptable thing for a corporation to ask us how we wipe our arses?)
Can helments occasionally help prevent injures in certain very limited types of accidents? Yes. Should they be made compulsory or promoted in such a way that makes cycling appear to be an inherently dangerous pursuit? No.
But it keeps coming up. Again and again. Why? Because it is a gift to so many people who are in a position to make it a hot topic. Not getting many page views on your tedious regional specialist web site? Start a helment debate! Secretly dislike cyclists who are adding a few seconds to your journey times each morning? Start a helment debate! Want to detract attention from your government’s fundamentally pro-car policies despite their incompatibility with the green policies you like to spout? Start a helment debate! Need to sell your warehouses full of cycling helments that are going out of fashion? Start a helment debate!
I wish I’d put my lid on
I wish I’d put my lid on before I’d started reading this thread, because my head REALLY hurts now.
Oh and for the record, two sheets per wipe and front to back.
The only thing i have to add
The only thing i have to add to this is that Mr Oliver operated on my broken pinkie, which i broke in a crash in a bike race. – How’s that for a claim to fame?!
p.s. I was wearing a helmet but it didn’t save my pinkie :'(
Most of the “evidence” for
Most of the “evidence” for helmets’ benefit is based on the “I fell off and broke my helmet but my head was OK” type of comment; or on the basis of a doctor or health professional saying that a helmet saved someone’s life.
A broken helmet gives no indication of the level of damage that would happen to a head without one. A doctor is not qualified know whether a helmet saved a life in any particular situation.
There is simply no evidence that helmets significantly reduce rates of injury but there is plenty of evidence that helmet compulsion reduces cycling rates and as such is significantly harmful to public health.
For all the “show us the evidence” requests above I suggest a visit to http://cyclehelmets.org/ where plenty of evidence is detailed with references.
My advice is look at actual evidence, think about it, make up your own mind and let everyone else do the same!
Comparisons to the
Comparisons to the Netherlands seem a bit silly considering the much better cycling infrastructure they have.
Like others, I’d like to see some information on the injuries that helmets can cause.
I remember in my youth no
I remember in my youth no one wore helmets. If you just dicking about in the streets or you were a pro. I also remember the streets were littered with dead children and dead pro cyclists, hundreds of them. The Tour De France would loose several riders every year – sometimes dozens – all killed by head injuries. Im amazed i myself made it to adult hood and that there were any pro cyclists left to race in the pre helmet era – such was the casualty rate.
Since helmets have become more common no one has ever died whilst riding a bike.
Thank heavens for helmets.
Please stop writing about
Please stop writing about helmets.
Please http://www.writetothem.com and ask them to stop building crap cycle lanes, if you haven’t recently.
Any choice wearing a seat
Any choice wearing a seat belt No
Any choice wearing a crash helmet on a motor cycle No
At least you have a choice on a cycle all I am reading here are the same old arguments about choice not about safety.
Until they are made compulsory some will, some wont.
So if you crash at 60mph on a motor bike and hit a sign post smash your chest and abdomen then bleed out before help arrives motor cycle helmets shouldn’t be compulsory should they as they don’t always work.
The above statement is the same as what people are saying about cycle helmets and makes as much sense as some comments on here, not a lot. By the way don’t say that kind of accident couldn’t happen as that is exactly what happened to a friend of mine about 20 years ago.
Do I wear a helmet yes. Why? Beacause I have a choice and every little helps.
Very interesting reading and
Very interesting reading and comments as well. But while arguments against mandating helmet use – because the resulting drop in cycling (poorly studied, IMHO) results in lower average fitness and hence more public “danger” – ignores the reality that when YOU fall, it is YOUR head. Not an average public head. YOUR head.
So, I agree with the UK status quo. No mandated helmet use for adults. Public education. And I always wear a helmet. I care more about my head than yours. I mean you might smoke, too. Or jump lights. Ride with headphones or at night with no lights. You take yer chances, I’ll take mine.
BTW – quite a few US states do not have helmet laws for motorcyclists. There seems to be a divide in who wears helmets and who doesn’t. Young men don’t. Harley riders don’t. A nurse friend tells me the A&E workers refer to them as “organ donors”.
Ah, more fallacies:
“You
Ah, more fallacies:
“You don’t get a choice about seat belts or motorcycle helmets, do you?” – no, but cars and motorcycles are different things, with different issues, to bicycles. E.g., for one thing there are *NO HEALTH BENEFITS* to using a car or motorcycle (the contrary).
“Statistics, smishtics, it’s *your* head – if you happens to *you* you’ll want a helmet”. Except, if lots of helmet use depresses cycling rates (e.g. by making cycling appear more dangerous than it actually is and so less attractive), then the lower cycling rates result in more cars that can hit you, and less political will to actually fix any of the problems cyclists have (with road safety, infrastructure). So you may be making things worse for cyclists, such as yourelf, and cycling, for a benefit that will matter to you only in a statistically unlikely event (if you cycle sensibly, and control your speed, e.g. on hills, etc.). Further, do you apply the same logic to when you go for a walk?
I’ve tried to collate some links on this blog post:
http://pjakma.wordpress.com/2011/10/28/the-case-against-bicycle-helmets-quick-guide/#comment-1169
You can find links to meta-studies there which suggest the net effect of helmets on injury is *minimal*, because the decrease in head injuries is accompanied by increases in other injuries (facial, neck). The bibliographies in the meta-studies will lead you to the primary studies describing these things.
I try add further studies in the comments when I find them.
Oooh some actual facts – they
Oooh some actual facts – they might help me down from the fence 🙂 thanks Paul
[oops: I meant to quote, I was referring to Paul J’s comment at 28th February 2013 – 7:52]
Here in Victoria, Australia
Here in Victoria, Australia we started the whole helmet compulsion thing, tragically for common sense, without evidence. Now the evidence suggests the only benefit was to reduce the number of cyclists on the road as the figures for reductions in accidents are similar.
If you really want bike safety, look to the Netherlands. I rode there and in Denmark and Sweden over a few weeks and concluded that the whole area but Netherlands in particular is safer because of one thing, protective laws.
Our government had a chance to apply such laws in the 70’s as they actually knew about the changes going on in the Netherlands but the whole debate was hyjacked by our motoring advocacy group, the Royal Automobile Club of Victoria (RACV.
The RACV and the government worked together to create the first bike helmet laws thus ensuring that no motorist in Victoria would have to ever suffer laws that required him to be deferential around a bike rider.
Not that it makes any
Not that it makes any difference to peoples views but over the years i’ve done my job (close to 26) i believe i can count on one hand the number of head injuries sustained by pedestrians tripping over (its usually wrists, shoulders, knees) and likewise for muggings / robberies (usually threatened with violence / knife) whereas bike accidents run nearly into the 100’s and the vast majority suffer some sort of head style injury even with a helmet.
These are MY experiences, not fact or scientific proof. I wear a helmet because i want to, its everyones choice and no Govt should ever try to change what is fundamentally an individuals choice unless undeniable proof is brought forward to justify a decision.
The case of Fabio Casartelli
The case of Fabio Casartelli seems a case in point. He would be alive today (most likely) if he had been wearing something on his noggin. I sort of feel that you don’t need to wear a helmet, but given they are light weight and do not impinge performance that they might protect me better than a cloth cap, or styling gel.
But what I would like to know is the stats of head injuries per population of cyclists, compared to other activities. As other people have mentioned it would be a red herring if, for example, there were more hospitalisations due to head injuries from dog walking over cycling. The problem is that we sit in a well on unknowing.
Also, it would also be interesting to know what injuries are sustained by various cycling populations, the regularity of an injury and the experience of a rider. I suspect that people popping to the shops (with few bike handling skills and heavy bikes) suffer injuries more readily than road cyclists. So perhaps the issue is to get people learning bike handling and making them aware of road safety issues, rather than slamming a lid on their head. Perhaps even banning heavy bikes which quite possibly add to the risk factors.
I have no gripe with wearing a helmet or not. I’ve not needed to wear one, and recognise that there are dangers involved. But putting facts and statistics out there will at least focus this debate (of which I have none).
Colin Peyresourde wrote:The
Casartelli’s head hit a concrete post at 80kph+.
At most, helmets are designed and tested to withstand impact speed of 24kph and that’s without the momentum of the body behind the head.
No autopsy was conducted.
The doctor who examined him on behalf of the coroner said that had he been wearing a hard helmet “some injuries could have been avoided.”
Max Testa, Motorola team doctor at the time (and now doctor to BMC Racing) said that even had he been wearing his usual helmet (Specialized Air Piranha) “he would not have survived.”
Colin Peyresourde wrote:The
Then the same would be true of the American author Kurt Vonnegut, killed by the head injuries he sustained falling down the stairs in his home.
People are killed in trips and falls. Trips and falls are the biggest cause of head injury. So don’t separate cycling out as especially dangerous or productive of head injuries, because it isn’t!
There was not mass head-injury related carnage amongst cyclists before the introduction of styrofoam hats for cyclists, and the degree to which cyclists /are/ killed hasn’t changed obviously since they were But you wouldn’t know that from the general assumption of Doom for those not wearing them now.
As other statistics and
As other statistics and statisticians have shown, it’s all about our attitude to risk. Those brought up to look out for the bogeyman (remember him?) will think ‘Be careful’ and wear a helmet, those who think ‘life is an adventure, and I’d rather die tomorrow than miss out on the thrills’, won’t. This is the attitude of the ones who smoke, in spite of all the known risks, too. My gripe is that the health service, and the emergency services, pick up the pieces for free whatever the attitude of the suckers who got themselves sick or injured, and as a non-risk-taker (except when I’m in a nice safe car with a ton of steel all around me!) I feel I’m paying more than my fair share of the cost.
Taking advice from an
Taking advice from an orthopaedic surgeon over that of a neurosurgeon for a problem which affects the brain is like asking an opthalmologist versus a urologist as to the benefits or otherwise of wearing a box during cricket! The opthalmologist will probably tell you that wearing a box is beneficial only if you really want to prevent yourself from crying after a direct hit to the goolies… but crying won’t kill you, will it.
I can’t believe you guys are seriously “debating” this! For a developed country, there are still a lot of things that I don’t get about the UK… this and the Royals are about as laughable as they come!
Try this on for size… anyone who buys their eggs in egg cartons should wear a helmet. Don’t be taken by the advice of an orthopaedic surgeon… they don’t have anything to protect… I should know… I’m an anaesthetist.
Hypoxic wrote:I can’t believe
Ah, you’re in Melbourne 😉
Funny that, because while I think this is the first time we’ve ever reported two British professionals debating the issue, we’ve done plenty of articles where it’s Aussie academics arguing hammer and tongs over it.
Royal family… yeah… but just remind me which large Antipodean country voted against becoming a republic in 1999…?
You got me there. I wish I
You got me there. I wish I could say New Zealand… but sadly I can’t. At least it was a close vote.
As for helmets… just wear them for God sakes. It’s clearly of benefit in many types of accidents and as for it making you feel more secure ao as to take more risks… don’t forget you’ve still got the other 95% of your body which is clad in only 1-3 layers of fabric… Ooch! Has anyone forgotten that it is possible to die from other injuries other than a head injury… very possible!
I’m sorry if this has already
I’m sorry if this has already been said before, maybe we need to look at the word “safety”.
Does a helemt make a fall safer? Yes to a point.
Does it make me feel safer? Yes
Does is make me ride in a safer manner? Not always. I take more risks than I would without.
Does it make the other idiots on the road safer? Nope.
Does it make the idiots on the road drive/walk/cycle safer? Nope!
How does an inanimate object improve the suicidal/murderous tendancies of those organic sqishy things around it?
The safer things are made, the more of a risk people will take.
Yorkshie Whippet wrote:Does
That’s right, I have never been white water kayaking without a helmet, it must be the helmet that makes me do it.
bikeboy76 wrote:Yorkshie
I hope you never raft without a helmet. It will save your life. Seriously. Just put it on and go rafting. You will be safe.
Compulsory crash helmets for
Compulsory crash helmets for car occupants would reduce head injuries save lives.