Tyler Hamilton and Floyd Landis are "scumbags" says UCI president

So much for truth and reconcilliation? Pat McQuaid lets rip at UCI's ex-doper critics

by Tony Farrelly   October 23, 2012  

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Lance Armstrong should be "forgotten by cycling" said the UCI president, Pat McQuaid yesterday - but the combatitive Irishman revealed that he hasn't forgotten about Tyler Hamilton and Floyd Landis, the two men whose revelations did most to bring Armstrong down. In the Daily Telegraph he describes the pair as "scumbags".

Given McQuaid's obvious contempt for ex-dopers, especially those that have criticised the UCI over its handling of the problem, it is little wonder that the UCI president seemed yesterday to have little appetite for the setting up of a truth and reconciliation commission - something supported by the USADA - even though it was he who first floated the suggestion earlier this summer. Even if such a commission were set up there has to be some doubt as to how it could actually operate given both McQuaid and the UCI's sensitivity to criticism.

McQuaid's attack on the two riders appears to have been sparked by David Millar's call for the UCI to apologise for its failures over the extent of doping in the sport.  Millar - who came back after serving a ban for doping to campaign for a cleaner sport - has been openly critictical of McQuaid and the UCI.

"They didn’t hold Millar’s hand when he stuck a needle in his backside. He is an adult and they know they are breaking the rules. It’s not the president’s responsibility if they go into a doping programme," said McQuaid.

"Another thing that annoys me is that Landis and Hamilton are being made out to be heroes. They are as far from heroes as night and day. They are not heroes. They are scumbags. All they have done is damage to the sport.”

Earlier this month the UCI, McQuaid and the UCI's ex-president, Hein Verbruggen won a case for defamation against Landis in a Swiss court by default when Landis failed to contest the charge. In December the UCI, McQuaid and Verbruggen go to court again alleging defamation by the ex-Sunday Times journalist Paul Kimmage. The difference on this occasion will be that Kimmage who is backed by a £50,000 defence fund raised by cycling fans, and the journalist will certainly contest the charge.

Kimmage, Landis and Hamilton allege that the UCI accepted a payment totalling $125,000 from Lance Armstrong after the 2001 Tour du Suisse in return for covering up a positive test for EPO. The UCI flatly denies the allegation and says that the test in question was merely 'suspicious' rather than 'positive'. However as the USADA points out in its Reasoned Decision under current testing procedures Armstrong's sample would be classed as a positive - and it was close to positive even by the less precise criteria of 2001.

Interestingly although the same allegation is made by Tyler Hamilton in his book, The Secret Race, the UCI are not taking action against him or co-author Daniel Coyle. However yesterday McQuaid did have plenty to say about both Hamilton and his book.

“We called Hamilton in [after he failed a dope test],” said McQuaid. “He said our machines were wrong. We said ‘we are after you’. He was positive two, maybe three times, eventually he was thrown out of the sport.

"He then spends the next few years trying to prove he was a twin before he was born or something like that and prove the scientific community wrong. He loses his marriage and his money.

"What does he do now? Writes a book just before the USADA report is announced and is making money left right and centre. What good is he doing the sport? He’s on a personal mission to make money for himself.”

The uncomfortable truth for both McQuaid and the UCI is that Hamilton's book and the USADA's Resoned Decision are striking similar in much of what they have to say - indeed USADA endorses the veracity of the book in its Reasoned Decision. Indeed while both Hamilton and Landis were not so long ago both ridiculed for their claims both appear to have been vindicated - as the testimonies in USADA's evidence against Armstrong has proved.

No wonder, some might conclude, that the UCI president wants cycling to forget all about Lance Armstrong.

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To quote the late Mike Reid:
"oh Pat - what have you done?"

posted by jarderich [85 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 12:40

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Even if the most sensible approach for the UCI and cycling was for McQuaid to tough it out, he is going about it in a spectacularly incompletent way. The last thing he should be doing is highlight his opposition to the people who dragged the truth into the light. Even if he thinks it, he should have the gravitas to hide his thoughts.

The man is not fit to be the leader of a kindergarten, let alone a major governing body.

Edgeley

posted by Edgeley [170 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 13:27

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His overconfident slightly bullyboy attitude is almost reminiscent of Armstrong himself, carrying on regardless and trying to bluster it out.

Armstrong's problem is that, unlike Hamilton, Landis, etc, even if he does now fess up, everybody already knows now, so it's a meaningless gesture.

I wonder if McQuaid will have the wisdom and the dignity to show some remorse about the conduct of the UCI while it still counts for something? Doesn't look like it...

posted by pmanc [129 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 13:28

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Come in McQuaid, your time is up!

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posted by SounDaz_7 [48 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 13:36

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Dear Road.cc, please, please, please could you fix it for me to... No, I'll start again. Please could you stop using such high quality photographs of Pat McQuaid to head these UCI stories? I clicked on the link to this one, saw the picture, and did this (no, that scene was not immediately following the Armstrong cameo.) Perhaps you could find an archive shot of him in the middle distance, or perhaps with a bag over his head?

posted by handlebarcam [529 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 13:46

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I would have bet money on Hein being expected to fall on his sword over this one. Instead Pat lays the blame for cycling's poor image squarely where it belongs. Obviously Landis and Hamilton were never taught the two most important things in life;
"Never rat on your friends, and always keep your mouth shut"
Jimmy Conway, Goodfellas.

posted by The Rumpo Kid [590 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 13:47

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If the UCI had successfully fostered a culture in which people who hadn't been busted for drugs blew the whistle, confident they would be supported then I'd have some sympathy for sounding off about the failings of people who only came clean when they were busted.

His statements basically sound like a defence of omerta. Plenty of people will come out with that line. I don't need any of them to be running the UCI.

posted by BigDummy [294 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 14:44

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Quote:
"Another thing that annoys me is that Landis and Hamilton are being made out to be heroes. They are as far from heroes as night and day. They are not heroes. They are scumbags. All they have done is damage to the sport.”

This sort of response is typical of many people in positions of power. Landis and Hamilton are whistleblowers and as such should be supported for their actions. Heroes is not how I'd describe them as there are many reasons other than doing the right thing for blowing the whistle. That said, without them Armstrong would never have been caught and Cycling would not be able to move on.
I am sure there are a few more cases to be revealed but I only hope we've seen an end to the serious damage these cheats have done to a great sport that we all love.

My generation, who grew up admiring the likes of Eddie Merckx, et Al, will never look at cycling in the same way ever again which is very very sad indeed. Armstrong is just the last big name in a list that should probably include most TdF winners going back many decades. I don't include Contador as I do believe him and watching his performance in the Vuelta I believe I am right to do so. It may be my resistance to be totally forlorn about the sport but I just can't go that far and still support it. I still believe he was right to be banned though I believe his case highlights the UCI's complicity in the whole drugs issue when they gave him ban that still allowed him to race in his home stage race. Bans should start from the time all appeals have ended and not be back dated to the start of a suspension.

Sadly, the taint of drugs will fall on everyone in the sport, especially those who excel beyond belief and that is terribly unfair.

McQuaide is severly discredited and needs to hand over to someone with a proven clean record and who can be trusted by sponsors and competitors alike.

posted by BigBear63 [70 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 14:49

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Not sure why most people are defending Landis and Hamilton, they are scumbags, and big Pats quote was a) funny, b) true and c) the best thing he has ever said! Landis and Hamilton are only slightly smaller fish than Armstrong, they were team leaders, tour and Olympic champions, it’s not like they were no-one’s which should be congratulated on helping bring down Armstrong. There is defo something morally wrong with those clowns making $$$ from selling the story of their wrongdoings, how they helped destroy the sport we love, it’s like a criminal making cash from selling their story.

posted by Manx Rider [18 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 15:39

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I'm "defending" Landis and Hamilton slightly and from particular bits of this only. They're both perfectly well aware that they cheated and that it was a bad thing to do. It's taken them a while to get to that point and achieve a degree of grace about it. But I'm fairly content to forgive repentant sinners quite a lot.

Also, quite a lot of people were "damaging the sport". Landis, Hamilton and everyone were busily damaging it by cheating. But ultimately damaging the sport by pointing out how rotten it was just needed to happen. Not going to criticise anyone for that. Hincapie and people never got popped, and confessed in their own time. It seems unfair to hold too much against some jackass whose career is imploding for flailing around a bit trying to make everyone believe he was still a hero. It's not like we believed them...

Finally, Armstrong made a lot of money from writing books about how awesome he is and how he never ever cheated. They were part of the problem. I don't begrudge Hamilton a bit of money for a book about what a massive, lying douche he was. It just might be part of the solution, although he'd be well-advised not to sound too smug about it.

posted by BigDummy [294 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 15:54

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Manx Rider wrote:
Not sure why most people are defending Landis and Hamilton, they are scumbags, and big Pats quote was a) funny, b) true and c) the best thing he has ever said! Landis and Hamilton are only slightly smaller fish than Armstrong, they were team leaders, tour and Olympic champions, it’s not like they were no-one’s which should be congratulated on helping bring down Armstrong. There is defo something morally wrong with those clowns making $$$ from selling the story of their wrongdoings, how they helped destroy the sport we love, it’s like a criminal making cash from selling their story.

Unless you think doping your way to seven yellow jerseys is OK, it was Armstrong and the UCI destroying the sport we love. Unpleasant as all this is, it is preferable to blissful ignorance.

posted by The Rumpo Kid [590 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 16:15

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Memo to all: In future references to Pat McQuaid please insert the words "disgraced and banned former rider..." just in case anyone forgets what we're dealing with here.

Armstrong, Hamilton and Landis doped themselves and some others to win a sports event against people who were mostly doping. They're not nice but in the grand scheme of things...

McQuaid on the other hand knowingly, willingly and with forethought took part in supporting an abhorrent, racist state which oppressed millions and imprisoned, tortured and killed thousands. He did it for money and he lied about it.

So who is the real scumbag ?

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posted by abudhabiChris [539 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 16:46

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Bloody well said!

posted by PhilWalker [31 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 16:53

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Another pointless and tacky comment from President Pat - he does so much for the gravitas and dignity of the position he hold!.

Sudor

posted by Sudor [182 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 16:53

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Scumbag.

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posted by Morpheus00 [41 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 17:11

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The Sepp Blatter of cycling.

posted by robert_obrien [117 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 17:15

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Almost unbelievable brass balls from McQuaid. Clearly he knows his number will soon be up, so he's going in guns blazing.

Neither Hamilton or Landis are 'scumbags' and it's disgracefully unprofessional of him to call them that (even if they were. Incidentally, if either of them want to write a book, and a publisher wants to publish it, and people want to buy it, all parties are free to do so. I'd've though McQuaid would appreciate that - after all, we know how much he loves the green stuff).

He should go. But he won't. Another example of a useless and suspicious dickhead at the top of a professional sport, clinging on for dear life.

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posted by Ghedebrav [1101 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 17:38

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Al__S wrote:
Pat McQuaid is a clown. A terrorist. Like Colonel Gaddafi.

That has got to be one the stupidest things I have seen recently! You really need to get a grip.
How can you compare a dictator who executed many people with the head (albeit useless, corrupt and unethical)of the UCI.
So please tell me what acts of terrorism McQuaid has committed?

posted by cavmem1 [44 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 18:01

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Please leave cycling alone Mr McQuaid, and take your cronies with you.

posted by spokeydokey [10 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 18:08

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cavmem1 wrote:
Al__S wrote:
Pat McQuaid is a clown. A terrorist. Like Colonel Gaddafi.

That has got to be one the stupidest things I have seen recently! You really need to get a grip.
How can you compare a dictator who executed many people with the head (albeit useless, corrupt and unethical)of the UCI.
So please tell me what acts of terrorism McQuaid has committed?

I'll refer you to the McQuaid vs Landis defamation case and what Landis is not allowed to say about McQuaid. Read that and then come back.

Link http://road.cc/content/news/68235-swiss-court-finds-favour-uci-landis-de...

To Al__s, excellent use of sarcasm Big Grin

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 18:37

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drheaton wrote:
cavmem1 wrote:
Al__S wrote:
Pat McQuaid is a clown. A terrorist. Like Colonel Gaddafi.

That has got to be one the stupidest things I have seen recently! You really need to get a grip.
How can you compare a dictator who executed many people with the head (albeit useless, corrupt and unethical)of the UCI.
So please tell me what acts of terrorism McQuaid has committed?

I'll refer you to the McQuaid vs Landis defamation case and what Landis is not allowed to say about McQuaid. Read that and then come back.

Link http://road.cc/content/news/68235-swiss-court-finds-favour-uci-landis-de...

To Al__s, excellent use of sarcasm Big Grin

I'll get me coat!
Maybe Al__s is really Landis?

posted by cavmem1 [44 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 18:54

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A 125,000.00 "gift" for a "suspicious" test result. We all know it takes 250,000.00 to erase a "positive" test. Zero credibility at UCI. Time to break away from the UCI and start a new governing body. The riders have the ball in their court right now. Simply refuse to participate in any UCI sanctioned events until a major overhaul takes place or form a new one on their own. Professional cycling may well disappear without drastic changes. Major sponsors will not put their reputation on line or risk losing money if this does not happen.

Michael R. Smith

posted by American tifosi [37 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 20:30

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disgraced and banned former rider Pat McQuaid said

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What good is he doing the sport? He’s on a personal mission to make money for himself

I take it he's talking about himself here?

posted by mustard [72 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 21:07

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cycling is doomed until the UCI wake up...

posted by fatty [74 posts]
23rd October 2012 - 22:11

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This may not be what everyone would like to see but this is what I expect to happen now.

1) McQuaid won't quit, he'll see out the rest of his term (until next year) because he knows he can't be ousted and then he'll step aside

2) He'll leave on his own terms and try to build a legacy based on anti-doping, namely taking credit for the blood passport and being in charge when Armstrong was banned

3) He will pick a successor much as Verbruggen did in picking McQuaid and hand over the reigns of the UCI to someone who is pretty much a McQuaid clone.

4) Things won't change.

The main points though are 3 and 4. Whoever takes over from McQuaid whether he quits, is forced out or leaves of his own accord, will basically be someone who is working closely with McQuaid now meaning they're basically another McQuaid with a different suit.

There needs to be huge change in how cycling is governed but that goes way deeper than McQuaid and the head of the UCI. The only things that can get close to shaking up the UCI to the required extent are either

a) Cycling is banned from the Olympics (or the IOC threaten a ban) until the UCI puts it's house in order, that'll mean every national federation up in arms and descending on the UCI to complain or

b) A huge corruption scandal (that isn't just accusations about covered up doping). This is just as unlikely because there just isn't enough money in cycling to cause the same level of corruption as the IOC and FIFA have suffered. Unless someone digs out evidence that Qatar bought the World Champs and paid McQuaid a load of money then I can't see there being anything widespread. Like McQuaid has said, the UCI doesn't have the same financial clout as FIFA and they don't make any money out of the big races in the same way that FIFA and the IOC cash in on the world cup and olympics.

The only smoking gun which could exist and turn this all on it's head is if someone can prove that the UCI took money to cover up a positive test. Seeing as nobody has been able to do that yet even though the USADA has been investigating for years I can't see that happening unfortunately.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
24th October 2012 - 8:24

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Seeing as how many financial transactions and bank statements have been produced alluding to transactions that those involved would prefer remained hidden (and thus were using the 'secret' bank accounts etc), it does seem odd that the payoff to the UCI has not been proved. Unless I'm mistaken?

Last night I would have considered trading a very loud baby for a really nice bike.

posted by notfastenough [3307 posts]
24th October 2012 - 10:37

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It’s not the president’s responsibility if they go into a doping programme," said McQuaid.

Thinking So who's responsibility is it then?

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posted by Municipal Waste [190 posts]
24th October 2012 - 10:43

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notfastenough wrote:
Seeing as how many financial transactions and bank statements have been produced alluding to transactions that those involved would prefer remained hidden (and thus were using the 'secret' bank accounts etc), it does seem odd that the payoff to the UCI has not been proved. Unless I'm mistaken?

You are indeed mistaken - the money being handed over is not in dispute. The UCI themselves admit taking $125,000 of LA's cash – they are trying to insist that this was entirely above board and normal though…despite the timing…and the fact that it’s never happened before…and the staggering impropriety of taking money from a suspected rider…or the suspicious subsequent loan of a blood analysis machine – at no charge – to the laboratory that raised the flag on the EPO-positive tests in the first place. Yep – nothing strange about any of that.

posted by Lacticlegs [124 posts]
24th October 2012 - 11:48

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Those guys are a couple of bitches... Anyone who cheats, gets caught, then cries about it on tv and in a book, while calling out their teammates and peers is a rat fink bastard and should be strung up by their balls. Who do they think they are? Profiting off dragging people through the mud is bullshit. I really hope the next guy that gets caught, mans up and says "fuck you, I know what I was doing and why and I don't regret it... I took a chance and failed. next..."

posted by mattsavage [13 posts]
25th October 2012 - 19:59

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mattsavage wrote:
Profiting off dragging people through the mud is bullshit. I really hope the next guy that gets caught, mans up and says "fuck you, I know what I was doing and why and I don't regret it... I took a chance and failed. next..."

funny how much that applies to amstrong as much as it applies to hamilton or landis

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posted by Dave Atkinson [7430 posts]
25th October 2012 - 20:55

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