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We don't have commenting on reports of court cases for legal reasons, but we could turn them off on reports of fatalities and witness appeals too - and then if people want to discuss aspects of what was reported they can do so by starting a forum thread instead rather than having arguments develop in the comments on the story about aspects of the report.

Let me know what you think…

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giff77 [1260 posts] 3 years ago
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I think if we were to keep the comments open we would need to rely heavily on posters maturity in not diverging from the actual topic. That of showing our respects to family and friends. I know I can be guilty of jumping into a bunny trail without thinking and for that I 'fess up. If it were to remain open I think the moderators would need to be more active/vigilant in 'deleting' inappropriate comments. I do like the idea of a separate forum thread to discuss more in depth the whys and wherefores of any such incident in the future without detracting from the more sensitive report on the news page....

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SevenHills [226 posts] 3 years ago
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Please do as the latest one is starting to get distasteful.

As one of the more sensible comments said, " God forbid if any of the relatives or friends read the thread".

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WolfieSmith [1370 posts] 3 years ago
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Might be a good idea. Sympathy posts are understandable but when it degenerates into name calling over helmets it's inappropriate. Maybe a ban on the 'H' word for 2014 would save a lot of name calling.

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Neil753 [447 posts] 3 years ago
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Guys, you should keep the comments on, and moderate the forum reactively by using a "report this post" button. I think most cyclists are quite reasonable, so the moderation requirement would probably be quite small when compared to other websites.

Apart from anything, comments about deaths mean the safety message is getting out there, since it's not just cyclists that read them.

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William Black [193 posts] 3 years ago
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I'd not like to see any/opt out of seeing news/fatalities stories full stop. I know they happen every day but that's not the point, I'm a recreational cyclist I want to read about carbon fibre and titanium and go faster beetroot drinks.

I also agree that comments should be stopped, there seem to be people with a very lopsided agenda/chip on their shoulder about wearing helmets/safety products.

I think there should just be one sprawling epic "safety debate" thread then all of those bearded weirdos that want to argue that not wearing helmets, riding with headphones in the dark without hands is their god given right by dammit can just shout, rant and call everything anecdotal evidence.

Any deviation from the helmet posting rule will mean 400 laps of richmond on a brompton before they're allowed back on the forum.

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allez neg [496 posts] 3 years ago
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I think its a good idea to turn comments off. I would have thought that anything said by a stranger on a cycling forum would be pifflingly insignificant to a person who has just lost a friend or loved one in a bike crash, but given that the subjects of helmets and hi vis seem to be so divisive on here then anyone who wishes to rant and rave from their particular soapbox can do so in a corner of the forum without affecting the rest of us.

I'm new to this forum but have long experience of motorcycle forums (fora? forae?) and yes, the wider public dislike or don't understand us, yes politicians dislike us, and yes, sadly, sometimes our fellow two-wheelers die in accidents. There's the usual arguments over PPE vs personal freedom of choice too.

I'm not saying we shouldn't acknowledge this and discuss it, but lets not get trapped into forgetting the hugely,joyously life-affirming side of what we do.

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Argos74 [433 posts] 3 years ago
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road.cc frequently hits the top of the Google searches for some cycling related news stories, and gets posted on the BBC News site for linked stories and comment. Friends and relatives of the cyclist involved in a fatal collision may well end up seeing the story, and my thoughts spring from that assumption and strong possibility.

Some comments do smack of turning up at a funeral with a bunch of protest banners and a bullhorn. There's a time, and a place. And there's the wrong time, and the wrong place. And I've been on protest rides, so not coming at this from the diehard count-every-gram roadie angle.

Turn comments off - no. But with caveats.

Comments mourning the loss of a brother or sister of the wheel, and expressing our shared sadness - yes.

Ruthless moderation to delete or move off-topic and inflammatory comments best kept for forums - yes.

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Northernbike [228 posts] 3 years ago
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William Black wrote:

there seem to be people with a very lopsided agenda/chip on their shoulder about wearing helmets/safety products.

I think there should just be one sprawling epic "safety debate" thread then all of those bearded weirdos that want to argue that not wearing helmets, riding with headphones in the dark without hands is their god given right by dammit can just shout, rant and call everything anecdotal evidence.

as you think people who disagree with you about wearing helmets are 'bearded weirdos' would you include yourself in your above described category of ranting people with a chip on their shoulder about them?

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William Black [193 posts] 3 years ago
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Northernbike wrote:

as you think people who disagree with you about wearing helmets are 'bearded weirdos' would you include yourself in your above described category of ranting people with a chip on their shoulder about them?

Not in the slightest...I have a beard and ride single speeds so I am one of those bearded wierdos. I don't give a hoot who wears a helmet or not, but I certainly don't go posting stupid comments on a thread about a 16 year old who's just been killed, which is what this thread is actually about by the way.

But hey all you've gone and done is post a comment flaming another comment (about helmets funnily enough) without actually contributing anything to the actual topic in hand...so yay, go you!

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crazy-legs [850 posts] 3 years ago
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Yes, either turn comments off or have a "report post" button and some strong moderation.

The LFGSS (London Fixed Gear & Single Speed) forum has a "rider down" section where accidents get reported and that is ruthlessly moderated - the only things that are accepted on a thread there are condolences and factual stories relating to it (ie links from news reports).

Any speculative comments, anything without a linked and verified news report, anything that moves onto helmets/hi-vis etc gets deleted almost instantly - repeat transgressions simply result in a ban.

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Ush [873 posts] 3 years ago
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Argos74 wrote:

Some comments do smack of turning up at a funeral with a bunch of protest banners and a bullhorn. There's a time, and a place. And there's the wrong time, and the wrong place.

Agreed. And t.b.h. when I first read this story I decided not to comment. My thoughts were simply those of regret and sadness for the death of someone. I don't think any comments beyond simply, "R.I.P." are appropriate, if that, unless we personally know the bereaved.

The post by guyz2010 was obviously using a coffin as a soapbox. However oozaveered would have been better off leaving its crassness to stand on its own instead of responding to it.

Argos74 wrote:

Ruthless moderation to delete or move off-topic and inflammatory comments best kept for forums - yes.

The problem would be, who is going to do that? It's a full-time, tireless, thankless job. Easier just toggle comments on/off. I can only imagine our esteemed editors would rather spend their time writing or riding.

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Ush [873 posts] 3 years ago
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allez neg wrote:

I think its a good idea to turn comments off. I would have thought that anything said by a stranger on a cycling forum would be pifflingly insignificant to a person who has just lost a friend or loved one in a bike crash

This +1000

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Stumps [3456 posts] 3 years ago
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Keep the comments box open but have a written rule its for sympathy messages only.

If people want to gob off let them open a new forum topic its easy to do.

A fishing forum i go on is strictly run by the moderators and anyone who's comments are racist, homophobic, abusive or foul mouthed are very quickly removed and the poster warned.

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tourdelound [167 posts] 3 years ago
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Reading some of the comments from the latest fatality report, I think it would be in the best interest of the family and friends of the victim/victims that comments be turned off on any future fatality reports.

Some of the comments make me feel ashamed, have people no respect?

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William Black [193 posts] 3 years ago
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crazy-legs wrote:

Any speculative comments, anything without a linked and verified news report, anything that moves onto helmets/hi-vis etc gets deleted almost instantly - repeat transgressions simply result in a ban.

This sounds like a solution.

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arfa [841 posts] 3 years ago
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A general policy of not accepting posts that would no be spoken in a face to face environment might be a good start. Some of the keyboard warrior type postings shouldn't be tolerated as they drag the tone of interaction down and ultimately lead to stifling of discussion and constructive debate. I have seen online posting boards wither away elsewhere because of this.
Ultimately there is a lot of knowledge and experience here that is mostly shared in a helpful manner and long may that remain.

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lazyusername [101 posts] 3 years ago
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For what it's worth I think it's a good idea to turn comments off for fatality reports

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Jack Osbourne snr [587 posts] 3 years ago
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Off.

The facility to comment merely invites the troll and engenders inappropriate debate.

There is already a forum, so those that have something to say can discuss (or be readily ignored) there.

Keep the resources for writing and researching material rather than moderating where it shouldn't be required in the first place.

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OldRidgeback [2730 posts] 3 years ago
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Argos74 wrote:

road.cc frequently hits the top of the Google searches for some cycling related news stories, and gets posted on the BBC News site for linked stories and comment. Friends and relatives of the cyclist involved in a fatal collision may well end up seeing the story, and my thoughts spring from that assumption and strong possibility.

Some comments do smack of turning up at a funeral with a bunch of protest banners and a bullhorn. There's a time, and a place. And there's the wrong time, and the wrong place. And I've been on protest rides, so not coming at this from the diehard count-every-gram roadie angle.

Turn comments off - no. But with caveats.

Comments mourning the loss of a brother or sister of the wheel, and expressing our shared sadness - yes.

Ruthless moderation to delete or move off-topic and inflammatory comments best kept for forums - yes.

+1 - summed up nicely I think

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IanD [29 posts] 3 years ago
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Disable comments for these articles.

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Bedfordshire Clanger [344 posts] 3 years ago
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Some people do write silly things in the comments. I recall that on at least one article you have added the caveat to remember that the friends and family of the deceased may be reading. I think that it is a good way of keeping the comments sensible and respectful.

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MartyMcCann [254 posts] 3 years ago
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I also agree that comments should be turned off- unfortunately there is a tendency for them to bring out the inner-crash investigator among a minority, who seemingly just want to put their detective skills to the test using Google Street View to try and work out who is to blame for an incident. It can get tasteless and sidetracked quite quickly, and no matter how efficient any moderator is, some inappropriate comments will be published before they get removed (unless there is a move to pre-mod comments before publishing which no one wants to see happen). Plus I would much rather the energies and attention of those behind the site are more focused on new articles as opposed to monitoring comment threads.

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FMOAB [291 posts] 3 years ago
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Yes please.

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wwfcb [83 posts] 3 years ago
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Turn comments off, when it involves fatalities.

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step-hent [723 posts] 3 years ago
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Definitely better to turn them off. A separate forum discussion is a much better idea.

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Metjas [362 posts] 3 years ago
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we should be able to have a grown up comments section, so leave it on.

Why is there no 'Dislike' button next to comments - only the 'Like' option? As most of us are very sensible human beings it would certainly show up the openly offensive posters out there, and hopefully make them think twice next time.

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antigee [375 posts] 3 years ago
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my usual thought on threads is that if you don't like the topic or content you don't have to read them but this doesn't really apply that well to the relatives or friends of those killed - having just read the thread that prompted this one my vote would be turn off comments - if someone wants to start a book of condolence thread then Ok and keep it at that - if people want to enter into speculative debate or inconsiderately and unwisely use someone's death to promote their opinions then it can be in a separate thread. If it appears to offend or could be considered insensitive then just delete it. (Full stop)

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mattsccm [351 posts] 3 years ago
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Turn them off. They serve no purpose apart from winding people up.
In fact I think comments on most news items are not needed. Its news not discussion. Its happened not something that we are being asked about.
And finally comments mean and do nothing in the real world.
Be a much nicer place.

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Angus Barber [2 posts] 3 years ago
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Comments off or sympathy comments only if there is bandwidth to moderate. All too often the comments descend into posturing about safety which should be separate from news reporting.

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teamjon [28 posts] 3 years ago
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Sympathy messages only - if you're able to moderate them to enforce that policy. If not, turn the comments off and open a permanent thread of condolence.

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