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October 1, 2022 at 7:44 am #32276
David9694
A new catch-all Tea Shop thread for those miscellaneous new stories that don’t quite fit with parking, crashing into buildings or trapped/prisoners in their homes.
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chrisonabike
To be fair it seems there’s
To be fair it seems there’s often potential for legal marking / kerb-nerdery by drivers – I think as normal this stems from the usual “if not banned, permitted” idea being extended because “driving is normal and ubiquitous” to “if we haven’t made it really blindingly obvious you can’t drive here – according to some potentially fiddly legal rules and a number of ‘due notice’ procedures – then it’s fine”.
Councils can get these things wrong and they’re also not speedy about saying “yeah we cocked up and lost that round”.
Yet another time where I suspect our overall principles (maximum safe throughput of motor traffic / space for vehicle storage) hamstring things all the way down. That sets up “we need lots of visual noise – signs and markings – to restrict vehicles”. And we know that in practice people en-mass aren’t great at driving a car AND reading…
Hirsute
There’s not a lot to do in
There’s not a lot to do in Bristol in the evening.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjmmj2k3n3no
A man who has written a 150 page report into a controversial bus gate has said the traffic measure is “unlawful” and “defective”.
“This one is not normal. There is something wrong with the design.”
umm

David9694
Car-feee Bibury – sounds good
Car-free Bibury – sounds good to me. This seems to have been going on since October.
Cotswold villagers living in ‘England’s prettiest street’ cut off by road closure due to ‘dangerous wall’
Ambulance crews had to take one Arlington Row resident on a stretcher across the a pedestrian bridge in Bibury
Another resident said such a thing happened on Sunday. Paul Johnson said his neighbour was dashed 300 yards to an ambulance. “That’s three times,” he said. He also told the meeting that another neighbour has not been out of his home since the closure.
Gosh, what happens if you live on the 20th floor? I have literally no idea how people can have lived anywhere worked anywhere or got supplies before they all had cars.
My son’s stopped coming because of it. One you can’t park and two, you can’t access the row.” Mr Johnson said he has had no notification about the closure from the authorities nor an explanation about it.
“You can’t even get logs to your cottage which sounds a trivial thing,” he said. “I find it absolutely appalling. It’s been an absolute shambles.”
https://www.biburyparishcouncil.gov.uk/news/2023/10/awkward-hill-road-closure

David9694
Follow up story
Follow up story
‘An overstay is an overstay’ – backlash against £100 parking charge complaint at Harlyn Bay car park
David Lester has accused the parking management company of ‘mugging people’ and ‘getting away with it like it’s a tourism tax’
https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/news-opinion/an-overstay-overstay-backlash-against-9294833
stonojnr
I have to share the same
I have to share the same roads with these people, it explains alot.
andystow
stonojnr wrote:
[quote=stonojnr]More grassy knoll nonsense, “Jumanji Junction” words fail sometimes https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/24337313.anger-grass-a14-seven-hills-roundabout-near-ipswich/%5B/quote%5D
“If the high grass on the approach from Woodbridge could be cut back for just a few feet, cars and motorbikes coming from the right could be seen clearly again.”
I can’t think of anything else you might have to look for.
“For cars, it is impossible to see over or through the grass.”
That’s because cars don’t have eyes.
stonojnr
More grassy knoll nonsense,
More grassy knoll nonsense, “Jumanji Junction” words fail sometimes
https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/24337313.anger-grass-a14-seven-hills-roundabout-near-ipswich/
hawkinspeter
brooksby wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/may/22/uk-drivers-warned-to-watch-out-for-crash-for-cash-claimsGrauniad wrote:Motorists have been warned to be vigilant after a 60-fold increase in “crash for cash” fraud claims involving motorbike and scooter riders staging accidents so they can blame innocent drivers.The insurer Allianz said its data showed that claims relating to this scam increased by 6,000% between January and December 2023 – a significant jump from the 50% increase the year before.
This type of insurance fraud typically involves an “induced accident”, in which a rider attempts to deliberately get hit by a vehicle in order to make a claim.
Criminals often target drivers as they park their cars – for example, they will ride past just as the driver opens the car door so that it hits the motorbike or scooter, with the aim being to make it appear the motorist’s fault.
Erm – but if they open their door without looking and hit someone, even a crook, then it is their fault.
Isn’t it?
I can imagine some kind of stand-off (sit-off?) where the driver is waiting to open their door whilst the scammer is waiting to ride past at just the same time. The driver could start to open their door, but then pull it closed as the rider starts to move and then the rider would scoot back a bit to get in the right position.
brooksby
Grauniad wrote:Motorists have been warned to be vigilant after a 60-fold increase in “crash for cash” fraud claims involving motorbike and scooter riders staging accidents so they can blame innocent drivers.The insurer Allianz said its data showed that claims relating to this scam increased by 6,000% between January and December 2023 – a significant jump from the 50% increase the year before.
This type of insurance fraud typically involves an “induced accident”, in which a rider attempts to deliberately get hit by a vehicle in order to make a claim.
Criminals often target drivers as they park their cars – for example, they will ride past just as the driver opens the car door so that it hits the motorbike or scooter, with the aim being to make it appear the motorist’s fault.
Erm – but if they open their door without looking and hit someone, even a crook, then it is their fault.
Isn’t it?
brooksby
hawkinspeter wrote:
Sydney Road in Bath
Bristol Post wrote:Mr Cooper said: “The problem is … that it’s a terrible scheme, based on the lie that Sydney Road is a rat run (it isn’t, it’s a perfectly serviceable and much needed city thoroughfare)…So, you mean it’s a rat run?
chrisonabike
brooksby wrote:
brooksby wrote:
Pretty sure the distinction between the “user in charge” and the person sitting in the driver’s seat already exists in the Scottish legal system! Even if you’re seen there before and after a crash a solid “I have no recollection of that” can be enough for the court to conclude that while you were the driver, you weren’t actually *driving* in those moments, so it is not moral to hold you responsible.The notion of “happened in your watch, the buck stops with you” continues to become less generally applicable. (No doubt we’ll find out this also doesn’t apply to the politicians who ushered in these changes…)
brooksby
Authorisation for use of self-driving will determine if vehicles are capable of safely and lawfully driving themselves without the need for a human to exercise control or monitor the road. In vehicles with authorised user-in-charge features, a human is still required in the vehicle to respond to requests from the vehicle and to hold at all times driver responsibilities other than those relating to exerting control of the vehicle and monitoring the road environment.When an authorised user-in-charge feature is engaged, the human driver is not required to monitor the road and it would be unfair if they were to bear responsibility for the behaviour of the vehicle on the road. Responsibility for the manner of driving rests with the ASDE and an ASDE is responsible for its behaviour. To address this, Part 2, Chapter 1 of the bill creates the new concept of the ‘user-in-charge’. Under clause 46, an individual is a user-in-charge where they are in, and in a position to exercise control of, an authorised vehicle when a user-in-charge feature is engaged, but not controlling the vehicle. The user-in-charge has immunity from road traffic offences relating to how the vehicle behaves on the road as set out in clause 47.
;tldr = The person in the self driving vehicle cannot be held responsible for the actions of the self driving vehicle. Instead, the software provider or manufacturer becomes responsible.
Not sure how I feel about that…

hawkinspeter
Sydney Road in Bath – locals
Sydney Road in Bath – locals claim that it’s a rat run and like the LTN, yet South Coast Travel claim that it’s not a rat run and want the LTN removed (maybe because their coach had trouble turning round in the road as they tried to use it as a rat run):
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/local-news/coach-gets-stuck-road-closed-9295714

David9694
Could be either
Could be either

David9694
52 mph tractor menace –
52 mph tractor menace – stiffer penalties including life imprisonment demanded
Woman run over by tractor at Wroxham Barns in Norfolk
https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/24330496.woman-run-tractor-wroxham-barns-norfolk/
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