Vuelta-chris horner

Um…I suspect most of us
Um…I suspect most of us know enough to know that a DS is a Directeur Sportif. AFAIK, Horner isn’t one.

Gkam84 wrote:So Horner is

Gkam84 wrote:

So Horner is obviously doping in your eyes, but to me, he’s just having a good tour.

Lance’s first couple of tours, yes, I would have defended him, but it became clearer as his career went on.

Where are Horner, has always been around, doing the same job as Ritchie Porte has been doing for Wiggo and Froome.

No he’s got no-one to work for, he’s having his chance and taking it with both hands.

So if Porte goes and shows like this next year when Wiggo won’t be taking on a grand tour. Does that make him an obvious doper?

In many of the big cases we don’t actually have positive tests – LAs case in particular and Balco. As I have posted above the thought is that the testing regimes are not good enough, and so many athletes pass the tests.

Besides, as we know from the Tour, they don’t test for all types of PEDs all the time. Sometimes it is blood doping, sometimes it’s for blood PEDs and sometimes just urine.

The science behind it shows that it is easier to evade a test, than be caught. Makes you realise how dumb it is to be caught.

Given that in a poll of Olympic athletes, when asked the question would you use a PED if you knew you could get away with it most answered ‘yes’. You’d be a mug not to be using them.

I am skeptical about the ‘Sky Train’, and especially Horner. Yes, a positive result helps, but until testing catches up with doping we live in a world where the benefits of cheating are great, and the chances of being caught slim.

You don’t rise from the shadows to become a GC contender over night either. You talk about shadows, but the Schleck’s never cast a great shadow over their team – physically or metaphorically. Why has Horner not dominated a small tour, or taken the mantle in the time period from 2012 Tour? Even before, when Andy was injured I can only remember him in passing.

His ability in this Vuelta really doesn’t pass the scratch test. Unfortunately for every incredible performance it raises the suspicion on the likes of Froome and co. Though I admit the Vuelta seems to bring with it less credible performances in a country which has had no drug testing scandal, but has been known as a great place for dopers to get their fixes….Even the results of the Fuentes case were burned to prevent further testing.

There’s a statute of
There’s a statute of limitations on retests – 8 years I think? Armstrong’s samples from ’99 tested positive after the limitations were exceeded.

daddyELVIS wrote:SideBurn

daddyELVIS wrote:

SideBurn wrote:

Chris Horner would have also been tested, maybe not as much as Lance; but why have his negative tests not now been re-tested as positives? Because he is/was clean?

erm, because they’ve not been re-tested as far as I’m aware.

I thought they were all re-tested; that is why the s**t hit the fan? Anyone know? Surely to test some but not others would be a bit fishy?
The whole thing stinks enough without selective re-testing…

Lots of people called LA out;
Lots of people called LA out; it cost them money and or their careers…
The problem was, as LA and others said, hundreds of negative tests for LA along with some discredited positives. This is hard (if wrong) evidence of clean riding. All other evidence was, as LA said verbal evidence from discredited sources.
Chris Horner would have also been tested, maybe not as much as Lance; but why have his negative tests not now been re-tested as positives? Because he is/was clean?

So Horner is obviously doping
So Horner is obviously doping in your eyes, but to me, he’s just having a good tour.

Lance’s first couple of tours, yes, I would have defended him, but it became clearer as his career went on.

Where are Horner, has always been around, doing the same job as Ritchie Porte has been doing for Wiggo and Froome.

No he’s got no-one to work for, he’s having his chance and taking it with both hands.

So if Porte goes and shows like this next year when Wiggo won’t be taking on a grand tour. Does that make him an obvious doper?

daddyELIVS, do us all a
daddyELIVS, do us all a favour….go find some proof, or stop spouting trash.

Reading your comments from many threads, you see to think that every single rider is doping, you must love the sport =))