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Going ultralight, help identifying a 5.2kg beauty

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  • August 17, 2013 at 10:23 am #19631
    Leviathan

    At the exhibition at the Excel in London the other week I saw some very slender young bikes. I went round lifting them up to test the weight. I found one was 5.2kg, this produced a chortle and a certain amount of envy and avarice to get a next generation bike for myself. However I foolishly did not make a note of the manufacturer. After going from a mountain bike to a Carrera, um ‘metal’ bike, to a Jamis Carbon 8.5kg, even lighter and more aero has to be better right?

    Are we always talking in the £3k+ region for 5-6kg weights? I was thinking a graph of weight to RRP cost would identify best buys and look cool, but perhaps the internet has got there first before I do this. Can anyone suggest what this ultralight beauty might have been or similar weight bikes? And anyone comment on the stability of v. light bikes?

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  • August 20, 2013 at 9:00 am #752295
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    KirinChris

    bikeboy76 wrote:@SimonE

    bikeboy76 wrote:
    @SimonE What exactly am I supposed to be listening to, you sanctimonious twerp? No one said buying lighter equipment was better than loosing weight, only easier. It would help if your posts actually had some factual content instead of aspiration drivel apropos of nothing.

    @700c In that case I’m just trolling a troll.

    I don’t have a barrow to push for SimonE but he has been doing nothing other than politely disagreeing.

    August 20, 2013 at 8:44 am #752293
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    700c

    @AbudhabiChris, so you slag
    @AbudhabiChris, so you slag off the OP, but because you have prefaced your response with ‘people answer questions in their own way if you don’t like it avoid the internet’, you think it’s acceptable to do so?

    Err no. It’s called trolling

    August 20, 2013 at 8:43 am #752291
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    mooleur

    Wyndymilla do a superlight
    Wyndymilla do a superlight frame for a pretty reasonable (for a custom/bespoke) price I think..

    http://www.wyndymilla.com/latest-bikes/massive-attack-sl-superlight/

    Although a couple folks have speculated to me about the truth of it being actually *that* light

    Looks pretty sexy tbh. I would.

    August 20, 2013 at 8:28 am #752289
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    ilovemytinbred

    abudhabiChris wrote:
    You

    abudhabiChris wrote:

    You could buy a bike made by NASA, held together by spider webs, with Lightweight tyres filled with helium gas and components made of meringue, and you would still suck.

    Ok Im sold, where can I get this bike?

    August 20, 2013 at 7:45 am #752287
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    KirinChris

    You may have asked a specific
    You may have asked a specific question in your OP but it tends to be fairly common that people answer questions in their own way. If you don’t like that, avoid the internet.

    To save time, unless you lose weight and train better then the answer to every question about equipment now and in the future is this…

    You could buy a bike made by NASA, held together by spider webs, with Lightweight tyres filled with helium gas and components made of meringue, and you would still suck.

    August 20, 2013 at 7:43 am #752285
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    ilovemytinbred

    It is amazing though dont you
    It is amazing though dont you reckon, things do seem to be getting stronger for a given weight? There are a lot of trail mtbs that are really light these days and they have to deal with a lot of impact stuff too. Even cx frames are crazy light. 850g is amazing, and think some of the pro riders using these frames are not exactly super light and they can put out more power with one leg than most of us can do with two 🙂 I would imagine the main danger is crashing, if a thin bit of the frame takes a direct hit I bet you would end up with a broken frame although I have crashed my top end bike at a decent speed and I was suprised to see that I came off a lot worse than the frame.

    I would only doubt a light frame if it was a show piece not in mass production, or a brand who did not have a proven track record.- assuming the manufacturer did not give a low rider weight limit,

    August 20, 2013 at 7:16 am #752283
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    notfastenough

    @Bikeboy76, I think it might
    @Bikeboy76, I think it might have been in this month’s issue of ‘Cyclist’ magazine that I read about frame repairs the other day. One of the things mentioned was a carbon fibre engineer who repairs frames, stated that the minimum weight for a properly viable frame was 850g (I think – you should probably check). That’s probably assuming a 65kg whippet or some such in the saddle. I think for 100kg, an ultralight frame might not be viable anyway.

    That said, check this out:
    http://road.cc/content/review/85070-canyon-ultimate-cf-slx-90-sl
    £3.7k, 6kg, 120kg weight limit. Purely race-focused in handling though, probably a bit twitchy unless you plan to race.

    August 19, 2013 at 11:24 pm #752281
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    Leviathan

    @SimonE What exactly am I
    @SimonE What exactly am I supposed to be listening to, you sanctimonious twerp? No one said buying lighter equipment was better than loosing weight, only easier. It would help if your posts actually had some factual content instead of aspiration drivel apropos of nothing.

    August 19, 2013 at 9:20 pm #752279
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    700c

    Bike Boy, think I’m like you
    Bike Boy, think I’m like you – above average size, stronger on the flat, not so good on hills.

    I also have a history of breaking bikes! Would love a superlight bike but daren’t!

    Also, a featherweight bike is no good if it’s really flexible.

    To that end, I’ve focused the equipment spend – and weight loss – where it matters most – wheels, and have gone for a slightly heavier, Ti frame for hopefully longevity and a bit of reassurance.

    The aero wheels also play to my strengths by making the most of speed I can hold on the flat.

    So, is ‘lighter is better’, answer is, it depends, IMO!

    August 19, 2013 at 7:30 pm #752277
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    Simon E

    Still not listening then?
    Ah
    Still not listening then?

    Ah well. Can’t say I didn’t try…

    August 19, 2013 at 11:50 am #752275
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    ilovemytinbred

    In fairness he just responded
    In fairness he just responded to a comment that implied saving weight on the bike is a better long term solution than losing a few pounds. Unless you are already very thin then that is crazy talk.

    August 19, 2013 at 10:52 am #752273
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    Leviathan

    BEDS, I was thinking of
    BEDS, I was thinking of attempting a ‘million month’ before the end of the summer, ie. a thousand kilometers. I already keep a 30 day rolling total which peaked at 748km after London. 800km a month, that is definitely a sustained challenge in the winter when it gets dark. It is hard enough to find time right now. BASH; I would love some deep rims, I need £500 for some Planet X 60mm.
    Funny how you always get a regular supply of positivity from certain characters here, meanwhile there is SIMON; you always like to read between the lines then spew forth your cod philosophies. Believe me it will take a long time for me to get the money for the next level of bike I want, so I am taking my time and asking all the questions I can. If you somehow think this is frivolous talk about fantastical bikes then you have missed the point yet again.

    Simon E wrote:
    You don’t need a personal trainer, you only have to make decisions about your lifestyle. You know only too well that if you do regular exercise and eat sensibly then the weight comes off and stays off.

    But if you think you can spend your way to lightness then you’ll never be satisfied. ‘Having’ will never match ‘doing’.


    Did you really sit there typing that out and not think for one moment that it was a bit condescending? You may think your replies are very astute but in reality they are just always off topic.

    As for the Paleo diet; that is a level of existence I we are NOT prepared to tolerate, to paraphrase The Architect.

    August 18, 2013 at 10:14 pm #752271
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    Bedfordshire Clanger

    bikeboy76 wrote:
    I really

    bikeboy76 wrote:

    I really like the Canyon CL SLX, but all the 7.0/8.0/9.0, EL/Pro etc are confusing. I get that there are better spec/lighter components on the more expensive bikes, but the difference is only about 400g for an extra 3 grand on the top of the range. And shouldn’t a (quite) expensive bike already have decent wheels?.

    It’s called the law of diminishing returns. You are right, 400g is what you get for £3k. Is it really worth it? You won’t be able to buy new kit at a better price than Canyon can get it for. If you check the list price for all of the components for a new Canyon, you will find that they pretty much throw in the frame or free. You might be able to pick up something direct from China or second hand that fits the bill but you are still spending a lot of money for little in return in terms of weight saving.

    There are many cheap alternatives to shelling out for that weight saving, you could take out one bidon rather than two, cull your spares or just take a big dump before you go out. I am pretty sure that the majority of people recommending personal weight loss are doing so because they have done it themselves and have kept it off by cycling. I know that I have despite being an inveterate desk bound boozer. You can do it too, ride through winter, commute by bike, get up early and enjoy the late summer dawn on two wheels while you still can. Set yourself a target, I dare you to ride 500 miles a month for the next year. No excuses, buy that SLX when you are 85kg and tell me how good it feels then.

    Good luck

    August 18, 2013 at 9:08 pm #752269
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    ilovemytinbred

    Buying shiny bikes is always
    Buying shiny bikes is always a good idea though if you can afford it, a nice bike can be a lot of fun to ride.
    Be under no illusion though, it will make no difference to your times/speed outside of proper race conditions, and even then for most of us actual performance gains are secondary to the equipment looking nice (and fitting, good handling etc.)

    August 18, 2013 at 8:05 pm #752267
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    bashthebox

    Also, at risk of sounding
    Also, at risk of sounding like a broken record – have a look at your riding style and be open to adapting it.
    Turning a smaller gear at a higher cadence not only is more efficient, but it also causes your body to metabolise your fat far better. i.e. you’re burning some fat instead of just glycogen.

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