Team Sky – Truth or Lie?

stumps wrote:sorry about the

stumps wrote:

sorry about the chip bit 😀

No problem, I’m not easily offended.

Besides, my view on doping is not as simple as clean is good, dope is bad. However hypocrisy does the debate no favours.

stumps wrote:

Unless one of the Sky boys is caught with epo or whatever i will continue to believe they are clean.

If Sky are doping, it could take more than a positive test to catch them 😉

CraigS wrote:
Froome(/Porte)

CraigS wrote:

Froome(/Porte) I want to believe but have my doubts – had he just transformed himself into one of the world’s best climbers, that would be one thing, but to blitz the TT too?

imagine if he had a Movistar jersey on, and then suddenly improved the way he has. I dare say ASO wouldn’t stand for that!

stumps wrote:daddyelvis, i

stumps wrote:

daddyelvis, i didn’t cut and paste from any forum. It was a lift from another rider’s interview, there was nothing in it about Lemond so please dont try and twist to suit.

As for balance, you seem to be level headed, is that due to a chip on both shoulders about Sky ;)

he-he, nice one. No chips here, just use my experience and common sense to tell me when somebody isn’t telling the truth. Keep believing, I’m sure you won’t be disappointed.

stumps wrote:Did some digging

stumps wrote:

Did some digging myself and found this article. Very thought provoking but wont sit well with the sceptical members of the forum. Its a bit long winded but very interesting.

Anyways after the 2010 season, Kerrison sat down with Brailsford to show him what Kerrison had observed and his overall conclusions. Brailsford said afterwards he was “blown away” by what Kerrison presented to him…

Here are his main conclusions…

What is startling from there primarily is how they make so much sense but due to the fact that they come from a mind which has not been whatsoever influenced by the sport and therefore does not concur with the stigmas and stereotypes which many of the tradiotional European teams have been influenced and therefore restricted by. Particularly as he says the reliance on doping, has stunted the coaching aspect of the sport whilst the best coaches and doctors in the past, have not been the ones who are the best trainers, but rather the ones who have the best doping techniques.

1) Kerrison could not understand why it was common practice for riders to use races for training.

This technique was instituted years ago due to prize money… now the top riders dont need the prize money all that much, then why do they still use the races as training and build up when they can do it in more controlled environments at their own leisure, when they were not subjected to the racing peloton who has a mind and rhythm of its own.

Yet people still believe that quality efforts would be done at the races, whilst the inter periods would be done at home for resting and lesser intensity training.

Edit: I found this quote which backs up this explanation

“Wiggins said last month, while on camp in Tenerife, that he doubted if any single day on the Dauphine would be as hard as his training in, on and around Mount Teide and he was manifestly right. To these eyes the one full day’s hit out I witnessed in Tenerife was immeasurably tougher than either of the two high mountain stages at the Dauphine”.

2) Another concept of his was “reverse periodisation”. This is what people have witnessed with Porte, Wiggins and Rogers over the past year, where they have seemed to be at peak form, a step ahead of the other riders throughout the season.

Effectively it gets rid of the athlete originally focusing on his endurance and building an aerobic base, and then only afterwards to move only on to high intensity exercises only towards the end of the training period or cycle.

And instead it makes the rider focus on introducing all the power and speed work early on and then they would gradually increase the duration of the training of those attributes as the rider’s fitness improved, AKA. in this case closer to the Tour.

In the Wiggins case this was very evident wherease many so called “experts” questioned as to whether Wiggins was not peaking a tad too early. If these “experts” had understood that the “reverse periodisation” allows Wiggins to produce maximal perfomances even prior to his peak they would have realised Wiggins was in perfect shape for the Tour.

They assumed that if riders are outputting maximal efforts then that would fastrack a rider into and out of the other side of their best form.

Once again this is another one of the misgiving which has stunted cycling and without it, it seems cyclists can perform much better.

Furthermore another example is that of Wiggins’s time trialling which as markedly improved over the past two years. This is due to the fact that Kerrison has made Wiggins race his TTs at a lowed cadence.

Indeed Sky have rightfully applauded their genius coach and Wiggins has specifically attributed his Tour win down to Kerrison’s coaching.

I did some digging myself, and found the same forum you cut-and-pasted all that from. I see you didn’t cut and paste the Greg Lemond quotes from that forum thread. Why not provide some balance?

notfastenough wrote:@Stumpy –

notfastenough wrote:

@Stumpy – Right, and that’s just the stuff they’re willing to discuss!

@daddyelvis, no-one’s suggesting that the peloton is completely clean, but like Paul Kimmage, you seem to have a thing about Team Sky, in the face of a complete lack, not just of evidence, but even of ‘I roomed with x and saw him doping’ rumours. I think there are several more obvious candidates for your cynicism.

I’m well aware there are other obvious cadidates, but the thing that grates with Sky is all the anti-doping PR that doesn’t add up. Kimmage probably has a ‘thing’ about Sky because he’s seen Brailsford’s ethical team dossier that was put together when Sky was formed, and he knows it’s total BS. Where’s the transparency? Every release about Sky is controlled – look at Walsh’s current live-in with Sky, it’s more like a love-in, he tweets like a Sky PR manager,not an independent journalist! And the part about not employing anyone previously linked to doping, and only employing doctors from outside the sport is laughable – Brailsford suddenly remembered that part of his promise AFTER they had won the TdF! Kerrison – Australian swimming – must be clean as a whistle then