Where does charity and generosity stop?

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    Tinternet_tim

    Firstly I would like to start by saying I am not an internet troll and I am not setting out to knock or belittle anyone. However I have felt so strongly about the ‘Gofundme’ story which has evolved over the months to furnish 1 individual with a £3000 to £4000 trike plus £100 or maybe even £1000 of kit I feel I have to share my view and maybe add so constructive criticism.

    I have read road.cc for some time now and never contributed but it is a great source of information for a sport and recreational activity I am so passionate about. I am also a twitter account user, therefore on numerous occasions I have seen plea’s to help get Keith back to cycling due to the early onset of Parkinson plus read the story he wrote about how difficult life has been since an early age.

    When this story first hit my twitter feed I contacted Keith directly and expressed my sympathy for his recent diagnoses as I wouldn’t wish it on anyone, however I did question his ethics as to whether he should think about his current lifestyle and selling some of his toys and gadgets before asking strangers for their hard earned cash to get him another VERY expensive bike/gadget.

    Keith has made his life very public by asking for this and with the information he posts it doesn’t take long to realise that cycling isn’t is only passion as he is also a guitarist, he is constantly on the internet and has a computer and a Android tablet, video camera, gorilla pod tripod type thing and he also has a smart phone and Sky tv, possibly a GPS device?, £60 – £70 of Olympics 50p!!, this is a lot for someone on benefits and who states cycling is his only passion!

    Maybe my up bringing has been different, but I have always been taught to live within your means and only have what you can afford. I know so many people who work 40 + hours a week and struggle to survive without any of the luxuries Keith has acquired.

    Keith is very obviously a kind and caring individual after reading his tweets and forum posts as he is very helpful to so many others, however maybe it is time to spend some of this energy on himself and look at his own life.
    My own personal views are that he sees material goods as a means of making him happy and getting him back to as normal life as possible, however this will only be a shortterm fix.
    I think it is fantastic that he is now looking for work and I think it will turn his life around, but maybe this should have been his first approach. If he is able to work, find work, start working, earn money and then purchase a trike, this is what he should have done. This is how 99.99% of the society works and it should be the same for him.
    Why does he need the trike over winter when Scotland is likely to be under feet of snow soon? The next 5 months would have been even more time to save

    Are there others near Keith who have Parkinson? As this trike has been funded by the generosity of others. Could the use of the trike also help others rather than just 1 individual? Is there a Parkinsons society near where Keith lifes where those with the conditions could hire the trike when it is not in use?
    This would help more people and also give all those that use it greater freedom and also enjoy the activity we are all so passionate about. If all those that use the trike become enthusiasts it will give them the motivation to save and purchase their own trike!

    If I am being brutally honest, I have read Keiths Gofundme page and he sees himself as a victim as he has tried things but keep quitting because things got difficult and he has continually been supported by society or others without taking responsibility for his own actions whether that is free accommodation, free sky tv and now free trike and the relentless gifts he has received over the last few months.

    What happens if the £3000 trike brakes or is damaged or if ‘god forbid’ it is stolen, will there be another plea to the cycling community to help? Is it insured ?

    Also, I have noticed that recently he has posted comments about ‘where can I buy x, y and z’ and on numerous occasions he has been sent these items free. Please think long and hard about this approach as peoples goodwill and generosity will reach a limit (please take this comment on board).
    I have also noticed that he has been sent items that don’t appear on the auction list, i.e. Castelli clothing, an action video camera etc, if he is truly honest that his only passion is to get back cycling he will put these items up for auction/sale and donate the funds to charity. I am sure Parkinson or MIND charities will greatly appreciate the donation to help lots of people rather than just 1.

    Also, he really needs to look at his lifestyle, If he REALLY wants to become employable he needs to get into a routine, not staying up until 5am in the morning on twitter and the computer and sleeping all day. Take all your tech out of your room, get to bed at a reasonable time and up at 8am, this will get you into a routine which will support a working life.

    Keith, as I have said earlier, I think you are such a giving person and helpful and kind to others, but please don’t see FREE materialistic things as the way to happiness, it will not solve anything in the long run.

    As someone who has also suffered from ill-health in recent years and as a result anxiety and depression I understand some of what you are going through. Maybe this has been part of my motivation to spend some time writing this and why I feel so strongly about my comments. It appears I am the only one with these views and I hope I don’t get my account suspended for these comments. As I said at the start it is not meant to be harmful or a personal attach. All I want is fairness and maybe to get EVERYONE to look at themselves and others and what is right.

    Please everyone continue this amazing generosity that we have seen over the last few months, but maybe to help communities and groups rather than 1 individual.

    Regards
    Tim

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  • #710777
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    Super Domestique

    Everyone has there own
    Everyone has there own opinion and forum’s encourage people to express it. Whether you feel the OP was right or wrong, by commenting then you are doing the same that he did, expressing an opinion.

    I do wonder if he was a regular poster / well known character (ie. like Keith is) if he’d have got the same response?

    My opinion is that he’d not – more than likely in the same way that Keith would have a far less helpful response if he signed up and launched an appeal before anyone knew him. (well, erm, ‘knew’ as in the internet sense of the term I guess!)

    So Tim, stay around, join in, etc. As mentioned above Keith hasn’t always seen eye to eye with everyone. Same can be said of most users here I am sure.

    If anything, should anyone had harboured similar feelings but not felt confident or happy about posting them, well Keith has (hopefully) explained a few points.

    Maybe I have missed loads but I am not sure who Cain is btw? (or was that discussed on Twitter?)

    Taking one of the OP comments on board – purely a suggestion – but maybe Keith would have a role for say a Parkinson’s charity as a motivation speaker or a face of what you can achieve despite set backs, etc – in that way he’d be giving back?
    Win/Win situation there as far as I see. But again that is purely an opinion!

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    Raleigh

    Yeah, like how I think that
    Yeah, like how I think that Robert Peston is the only man that can lead this country out of the depths of the recession, dignity intact.

    It would be boring if there wasn’t stuff like this to b*tch about.

    You wait until some idiot starts a helmet debate again.

    #710773
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    Gkam84

    Exactly, I can remember a few
    Exactly, I can remember a few times where i’ve thought about stopping posting or had a dispute with someone, but everyone has differences of opinion now and then.

    It shouldn’t stop anyone from posting or being part of the community, as I said, its like a big family here, brothers and sisters argue now and again, Tony, Dave and the other parents see us right in the end 😉

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    Tony Farrelly

    Yes, don’t stop posting
    Yes, don’t stop posting Tim… if GKam had stopped posting the first time he caused… ahem, a bit of a stir in these parts his post count would barely have got out of double figures 😉

    #710769
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    Gkam84

    Don’t need to stop posting
    Don’t need to stop posting Tim, hang around, its a nice community here, this may not have been the best of introductions to the forum.

    You have raised some valid points, which I hope I have answered.

    Did you play the fantasy game at all last season? Check it out if thats something you might enjoy?

    I don’t hold grudges nor should anyone for this thread. 😉

    #710767
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    Tinternet_tim

    Ok, digging stopped, posts
    Ok, digging stopped, posts stop.
    I have very obviously made some extremely inaccurate assumptions and made a complete d1ck of myself.

    I wish everyone all the very best
    Tim

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    notfastenough

    So Tim, now that Keith’s
    So Tim, now that Keith’s appeal is out there, does that mean he’s not entitled to keep personal gifts? What’s next, auction any Christmas gifts from his granny as well?

    As for the ultimatum with the cam, well let’s put it this way: I disagreed with your original post, but could see what you were trying to say, so I posted a considered and detailed answer, but now? Now I just think you’re a selfish, jealous arsehole who’s suddenly revealed a manipulative train of thought.

    #710763
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    Gkam84

    As Cain’s mum has said above
    As Cain’s mum has said above and to me in private aswell.

    Keep the camera, It was offered to me after I tweeted asking if anyone had one and what they thought of it, not asking for one. Just for an honest review. I was then kindly offered one that someone had in their cupboard after they bought a Go Pro.

    It was offered to me on the understanding I would be using it to make future videos about me and my trike, to keep others informed.

    I will go further into Cain’s situation when myself and others are ready to do so, but getting him a bike suited to his needs will be the outlet for anything thats been donated to the auction and the left over from my appeal.

    So by starting the ball rolling helping me, others will also be helping him, I then hope to keep that ball rolling, where myself and Cain’s mother can find another child who may need help and then any left over money would continue to help others.

    Have been looking into setting up a charity just for this, but it seems alot easier to keep it personal and fund raising, rather than a charity situation.

    As I said, more details will come.

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    formereve

    Tinternet_tim wrote:
    So, how

    Tinternet_tim wrote:

    So, how is this for a deal. Although that the video camera was a gift to you, this is something that you could add to the auction and then save with your own money to buy yourself a cam?

    If you add it to the auction I will donate £100 to benefit Cain as I am sure it will help towards changing his life when he is potentially unable to do anything about it.

    Hi Tim

    Why dont you donate the £100 to Cain’s appeal ANYWAY without Keith doing anything with the cam. It might be now that YOU are thought to be blowing your own trumpet saying that you are willing to donate £100 IF Keith sells his cam.

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    Barry Fry-up

    Tinternet_tim wrote:If you

    Tinternet_tim wrote:
    If you add it to the auction I will donate £100 to benefit Cain as I am sure it will help towards changing his life when he is potentially unable to do anything about it.

    anyone explain to me how this is materially different to donald trump’s ‘$5m to charity if you show me your birth certificate’ at obama?

    if you’ve got £100 that you can give to Cain, and you want to give it to Cain, then give it to Cain. attaching some kind of demand to gkam that he has to give up something he’s been given as a gift in order for someone to receive some money that they really, really neeed makes you sound a bit, well. best if I don’t carry on that sentence.

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    paulfg42

    Stop posting, Tim, because
    Stop posting, Tim, because the hole you’re digging keeps getting bigger every time you post. Whatever your intention, your posts read as petty and mean-minded.

    I donated to Gkam’s appeal because I wanted and could afford to. Guess what? I have also donated to quite a few other appeals, on those occasions to charitable groups.

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    Dizzy

    Dear Tim
    Thnak you for your

    Dear Tim
    Thnak you for your generous offer of a £100 But i’d much rather Keith kept the camera
    Cains mum

    #710753
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    NeilG83

    Tim, your intentions seem to
    Tim, your intentions seem to be good and you make some good points, but without knowing Keith personally there are a lot of things in your original post that you shouldn’t comment on.

    #710751
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    Tinternet_tim

    Neil, I am so sorry that my
    Neil, I am so sorry that my post reads badly and goes to far. This certainly wasn’t the intent.

    As I have said before, my post wasn’t intended to be abusive, I was hoping it would make people think about options they have and potential life changes or sacrifices I would have considered.
    And finally I was hoping that maybe a donation of the value that has been seen on this occasion would go a long way to change several peoples lives and not just 1 person.

    I sincerely hope that there my original post (however badly worded it was) has something in it that Keith can take from it.

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    Leviathan

    Knickers are well and truly
    Knickers are well and truly twisted now.

    I hope we get to see video evidence of the trike in action soon, Gkam shouting, ‘out of the way, plebs!’

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